Are your cell phones dangerous? Is your wifi dangerous?

[bepo]

I know EMFs have been discussed on this site before. There is an award winning documentary on YouTube or Amazon: "Take Back Your Power", that is a must for everyone who suffers from chronic disease. I take that back. It is a must for everyone!

[Parkinsonjisung]

The answer to both of these questions is no.

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

Where are you getting your information? From the companies that sell you the services? There are over 28,000 studies that show the detrimental, health effects of Wi Fi.

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

I'm getting my information from a electric engineering degree and 12 years working for one the largest providers of routers. 😀. There is no evidence it is bad for your health. The frequencies and power are too low. It's the same as microwaves. I see these stories and reports from time to time but they're largely nonsense.

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

You might want to see: "Take Back Your Power" on YouTube. As far as I am concerned, they have a ton of factual information. They also have no vested interest.

[Hikoi in reply to bepo]

howtogeek.com/234817/dont-w...

I dont know where you get the 28,000 studies on cell phones from. Can you enlighten me.

bepo do you use a microwave or do you have a cell phone and use wifi?

[bepo in reply to Hikoi]

Look at the documentary, " Take Back Your Power. I fought smart meters and was able to keep my analogue meter. I am also fighting 5G. We haven't used a microwave for years. We put our cell phones in airplane mode and turn off WiFi every night. We have direct wired our printer and plan on direct wiring our computers, when the weather warms up. (That means connecting under the house.) We have our headboard facing away from the wall.) With Parkinson's, there are enough problems without EMF interference. We also use a PEMF mat.

[Hikoi in reply to bepo]

Yes I watched the video.

I see you can’t live without wifi. I presume you have research to support your ideas on keeping safe, or is it just wishful thinking. If it really is dangerous Is some exposure safe or are you just willing to take the risk.

[bepo in reply to Hikoi]

That's great you watched the video. We are very careful about WiFi exposure, and were, fortunately, able to keep our analogue meter when they installed smart meters years ago. We have to pay $20.00 extra a month for the analogue meter.

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

28,000 studies on cell phones and smart meters, most indicating health impacts, can't all be wrong.

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

Theres also documentary on YouTube saying the world is flat from people with no vested interests. I haven't seen the documentary you mentioned but it seems to be about power meters which I dont know much about so I wont comment on that. What I will say is that Mobile phones and wifi networks are safe. I know I wont change your opinion on this but I just want to give the alternative opinion to others reading. If you're interested in why I believe they're safe you can Google some articles on it debunking the claims they're unsafe.

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

That is.........if you trust Google. Many natural therapies have been blocked from Google and Facebook.

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

Out of interest, what do u consider a trustworthy source?

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

Greenmedinfo, or sayer Ji, Life extension, Dr. Robert Rowen, Md, Dr. Stephanie Seneff, Phd, Robert F. Kennedy,dr julian whitaker, PubMed, etc.

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

From a quick Google they seem to all anti vaccers and believe that vaccines cause autism, something that has been completely debunked on many occasions.

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

Dr. Stephanie Seneff, a researcher at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was studying artificial intelligence until she 'jumped ship', and decided to try to discover why autism was increasing at such a rapid rate. She shows a direct correlation with the increase in vaccinations and the increase in autism. Those who dispute this premise have direct or indirect paybacks from the pharmaceuticals.

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

There has been so much research on this conclusively debunking this. I sure you're aware of the origins of the original paper that was proven to be incorrect and retracted by most of it authors. Its unfortunate that funding and scientists time is wasted on disproving an nonsense theory. You seem to have something fundamental against the pharmacy industry. Sure they're priority is money but without them thered be a lot more death people and ultimately if there ever is a cure for Parkinsons itll likely be due to research and funding from this industry.

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

Give me an example of when a pharmaceutical has CURED a chronic disease?

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

Are you really implying that pharmaceutical companies are only interested in making money and that the millions of people who have worked for them over the years have also had this shared this opinion and that is why there is no cure? Surely a more reasonable thought is that the human body is extremely complex and its very hard to solve the puzzle to fix these diseases. If you still looking for examples, how about the vaccine for polio. I know you dont believe in vaccines but polio has been pretty much eliminated thanks to this vaccine. Vaccines are very effective and work. Also look at all the cancer treatments that have been developed. Many forms of cancer are no longer a death sentence.

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

Show me where the original paper was debunked. If we were to let people choose whether they had vaccinations or not, and most chose not to get those vaccinations, it would destroy the pharmaceutical industry, and therefore the economy. They have a lot to lose.

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

Here's one the many articles on dr andrew wakefield

google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua...

I know you'll probably say the guardian is left wing propaganda just Google the doctor and read anything about him.

And here's a Danish study of 600000 kids showing no link:

annals.org/aim/fullarticle/...

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

I know several people, personally, whose children suffered from autism after MMR. Dr. Stephanie Seneff is a reputable scientist with nothing to gain financially from her research of many years. I question clinics and doctors who do their own research and are potentially backed and funded by the pharmaceuticals.

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to bepo]

I think we should agree to differ 😃

[Bracondale in reply to bepo]

And a correlation with ASD and glyphosate looking at time trends.

[Jennyjenny2 in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

Our very good friends (she is a nurse) had their first son vaccinated and declined vaccinations with their second.

When No 1 son was 12 months old and due for a booster shot, he developed a cold and didn’t have the booster till he was 14 months old. By this time he could walk and talk.

Some time after the vaccination (can’t remember how many hours) their son developed a fever for 2 or 3 days and was hospitalized.

Unfortunately he couldn’t walk or talk any more. He was later diagnosed with autism.

Our friends know that the autism was caused by the reaction to the immunization.

[bepo in reply to Jennyjenny2]

Tell your friends to go to Kerririvera.com. She has reversed autism in many, many patients.

[Jennyjenny2 in reply to bepo]

Thanks so much, bepo. I’ll pass that on.

[bepo in reply to Jennyjenny2]

great!

[bepo in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

I also trust, for the most part, the Environmental Working Group. When they stated that stainless steel does not leach out lead and cadmium, I believe other tests show that they do indeed leach lead and cadmium. Both George and I are high in both lead and cadmium. It is not from our water, which we have tested.

[Despe in reply to bepo]

Hi Bepo! I have also read that FM doctors recommend stainless steel pots and pans for cooking, not cast iron! I do use Pyrex as often as I can.

I don't have WIFI enabled on my cell prone but still, I have attached an EMF protector which I have also attached to my computers (only one WIFI) and microwave oven. One can't keep up with technology and harm coming from it.

I am trying to get my utilities company to take down the 5G meter and reinstall the analogue one, but I haven't succeeded so far! I can not talk to a human voice on the phone. Have to pay a personal overdue visit, I guess.

[bepo in reply to Despe]

That would be good. The meters emit emf fields around the clock. Many have reported their rates went up after installing the smart meters. We haven't had a microwave for years, and don't miss it.

[Hidden]

An interesting analysis that points the way to the need for more research. Interestingly there appears to have been little research on combined RF emissions. Noted particularly the comments on fertility and that there has been nothing done to separate any EMF damage from the more likely effect of hormones in drinking water as a result of oral contraception byproducts - as seen in some fish.

frontiersin.org/articles/10...

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to Hidden]

Thanks for that paper. It's a good read.

[bepo in reply to Hidden]

The DC District Court of Appeals heard a case on Jan 17, 2020, whereby the telecommunications industry falsified information given to the rate payers. The documentary, "Take Back Your Power" on smart meters and cellphones is an award winning 30 minute presentation. As Parkinson's patients, do you really need more neurological interference?

[Hidden in reply to bepo]

We need to worry about things that have the greatest effect on our wellbeing and longevity. We need to be taking part in research that will either improve quality of life or bring about a cure. We have no need, on top of everything else, to worry about every little thing. We are generally not as paranoid here in the UK and length of life appears to be increasing ( ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation... ). If we were so beset through all the problems people see as being in their lives we should be moving backwards in longevity.

[bepo in reply to Hidden]

Our world, through technology, has changed drastically. One can be preventative in preventing further cell damage by education. EMF's are not trivial.

[Hidden]

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

[bepo in reply to Hidden]

Thank you for posting. For another point of view, see YouTube:" Take Back Your Power."

[Hidden in reply to bepo]

I have to say I give more credence to reviewed and published papers than YouTube videos.

[bepo in reply to Hidden]

Before you make that decision, how do you know there are not scientific studies to back up the YouTube, "Film of the Year", Documentary on smart meters "Take back your power"?

[Hidden in reply to bepo]

Youtube video is not the vehicle for publishing research. Peer reviewed research is published in journals. It is open to you to take onboard what you see in YouTube videos but, sorry, not for me.

[Despe in reply to Hidden]

Summary from the link you provided. "People should take steps to limit their exposure to ionizing EMFs, by wearing sunscreen, for example."

Here is a myth debugged!

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

[Hidden in reply to Despe]

What a misleading summary. Without the definition of ionising radiation. It is not that which as been talked about in this thread:

“Ionizing

Fields of ionizing radiation have higher frequencies and shorter wavelengths.

The energy from this type of radiation can remove electrons from atoms, including those comprising water and living tissue.

This breaks chemical bonds.

In the human body, high doses of ionizing radiation can prompt unstable atoms called free radicals to cause oxidative damage.

Some more common sources of ionizing radiation are gamma rays, which can help treat cancer, and X-rays.

Visible light exists toward the middle of the spectrum, marking the dividing line between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation.

Non-ionizing

Non-ionizing EMFs have a longer wavelength and a lower frequency. They cannot break chemical bonds.

Non-ionizing fields are present in many natural and manufactured forms.

Some sources of non-ionizing EMFs include:

radiofrequency radiation, as in many communication devices

microwaves

ultraviolet radiation, as in tanning beds

infrared radiation, as in heat lamps”