My impression: citicoline ashwaganda rosemary bacopa monniera

[aspergerian13]

# My impression: citicoline ashwaganda rosemary bacopa monniera

## Today I tried using citicoline instead of cholinergic herbs - while continuing 25/100 and amantadine. By noon I realized that citicoline was not sufficiently boosting my motor function.

## I managed to arise from chair and ingest a bacopa capsule and half a 25/100. Twenty minutes later I was functional again.

## Conclusion: For MY pd the cholinergic herbs are more helpful in augmenting my traditional pd meds.

## My PD is mixed but with a strong element of PIGD.

Is PIGD a legitimate motor subtype in Parkinson disease?

Vikas Kotagal.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[parkie13]

I have been taking citicoline for about a week and a half - two weeks. Have not noticed any difference. Been taking a capsule each time that I take sinemet CR. So you think that bacopa does that good of a job? How much are you taking? I was really hoping the citicoline would help. Mary

[aspergerian13 in reply to parkie13]

Mary,

For me rosemary has strongest boost, followed by ashwaganda, with bacopa milder. (each with regard to my motor function and postural instability and gait).

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cit...

m.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ing...

[aspergerian13 in reply to aspergerian13]

Each of the three cholinergic herbs have been obtained from Swanson's.

[park_bear in reply to aspergerian13]

For the rosemary capsules do you use the extract or the whole plant?

[aspergerian13 in reply to park_bear]

My capsules contain rosemary leaf, not extract. SW1340. 400mg.

[glenandgerry in reply to aspergerian13]

My other half has been taking ashwagandha capsules for a couple of years. I intend to order some type of Bacopa & I have just started massaging him with rosemary essential oil (purely because I had some here and thought I may as well use it). Too soon to tell if it's having an effect. Will probably order some rosemary capsules as well. Really hope the combination will help Glen's motor function, postural instability & gait.

Thanks aspergerian for all the info 😊

[parkie13 in reply to glenandgerry]

For me, the rosemary oil worked wonders on pain. However I never diluted it and I used it a lot. So after a long time I became sensitized to it and my hands started to break out. So I can use it as long as I dilute it with something.

[glenandgerry in reply to parkie13]

We're same as you Mary, have Citicoline on order and was really hoping it would help (postural & movement difficulties) 😔

[aspergerian13 in reply to glenandgerry]

Gerry and Mary,

When i first tried citicoline, it worked quite well on my postural, arising, and walking issues. Balance was improved. Those effects have seemed to diminish, but I wonder: did my body have some residual nutrients that became depleted as citicoline ingestion continued? Is there a better timing for ingesting citicoline inthe context of my other PD meds? I'm still wondering, why did citicoline work as anticipated at first?

[parkie13 in reply to glenandgerry]

Well, I think I would try it maybe it's going to work differently with you. I am going to finish my bottle.

[aspergerian]

I 'm not giving up on citicoline. For me it seems more for cognition. In contrast, the cholinergic herbs seem to help alleviate PIGD traits .

[aspergerian in reply to aspergerian]

See also:

medwirenews.com/parkinson's...

[park_bear]

I had not heard of rosemary for Parkinson's. I have a huge bush of it growing right on the grounds. Will get some of the capsules on order. Thanks, aspergerian, for the mention

journals.lww.com/neurorepor...

flash.lymenet.org/scripts/u...

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re PIGD - "This Point of View proposes thinking of postural instability and gait difficulties in Parkinson disease not as a discrete subtype, but rather as multidimensional continuum influenced by several overlapping age‐related pathologies."

I agree based on personal experience.

[aspergerian in reply to park_bear]

See also:

# PIGD 2006

## In particular, motor symptoms believed to be mediated by non‐dopaminergic mechanisms, such as gait, speech, and postural control, were recently associated with accelerated decline in cognition (4).

## Neurodegeneration within the cholinergic system is likely to mediate non‐dopaminergic motor features in PDD and dementia with Lewy bodies (DLB), as well as having a significant role in determining the cognitive and neuropsychiatric symptoms in these disorders (5).

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Motor subtype and cognitive decline in Parkinson's disease, Parkinson's disease with dementia, and dementia with Lewy bodies.