Your top 7 questions about fall vaccines answered by Your Local Epidemiologist KATELYN JETELINA AUG 29, 2023

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Your top 7 questions about fall vaccines answered KATELYN JETELINA AUG 29, 2023

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Thank you for all of your questions! You’re keeping us busy here at YLE. Here are answers to the top 7 that I’ve received in my inbox.

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When will we know about the COVID-19 vaccine?

The ACIP meeting is now scheduled for September 12. This will be a huge meeting, as we will find out:

Who is eligible for a COVID-19 vaccine and why.

Cost-effectiveness, given this vaccine is now privatized. In other words, we will get an answer to the question: Do the benefits of a vaccine outweigh the costs for all age groups?

Updated myocarditis data for younger males (I hope).

I will be in attendance and provide cliff notes.

Then, vaccines should be available mid-to-late September.

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Can I get the vaccines (flu, RSV, and/or COVID-19) at once?

There is no combined shot (some companies are working on it, but will not be available for years). This means that, if you’re eligible, you will need three shots to protect against the three viruses this fall.

You can get them all at once. But it may not be ideal. It just depends on your situation and your comfort with unknown risks:

Benefits to getting all at once: Going to the doctor/pharmacy multiple times can be a pain for many people, including grandparents. Or some people may tend to forget to go. Getting all three at once may be the best option in this situation.

Benefits to staggering: The optimal timing of vaccines is different for all three viruses. Also, we don’t know the safety risks of getting all three simultaneously. It hasn’t been studied. In other words, there are unknown risks. This is what we do know:

COVID-19 and flu vaccines are safe together

Older adult RSV and flu vaccines are safe together

Should I wait for the fall COVID-19 vaccine?

I’m telling my family and friends to wait (as opposed to getting last year’s vaccine formula). Of course, there is some risk to waiting, but there are two benefits, too:

While we are in a wave now, we expect a larger wave in winter. Getting it closer to this wave will better prevent infection;

Recent preprint shows that two shots of last year’s vaccine formula resulted in imprinting. This isn’t necessarily dangerous, but it means our antibody factory line (i.e. B-cells) wasn’t updated—it doesn’t broaden protection. Getting an updated vaccine formula will be more helpful against currently circulating variants.

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Novavax vs. mRNA COVID-19 vaccine?

Both are great shots. And the data pool to draw on is so narrow I’m uncomfortable saying one is immunologically better than the other. But we’ve had some studies (here, here, here, and here), and they’ve shown many similarities and some subtle differences:

Similarities

Both provide a solid first line of defense (i.e., neutralizing antibodies).

Both strengthen a solid second line of defense (i.e., T-cells).

Differences

Negative: Novavax produced significantly lower levels of a specific antibody called IgG.

Positive: Novavax had a more durable response over time (waned less quickly).

Positive: Novavax has fewer side effects, like pain and muscle aches. For this reason alone, I will be getting Novavax this fall.

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The new RSV vaccines aren’t covered by insurance?

Medicare Part D covers the RSV vaccine, but some private health insurance plans don’t. In other words, some older adults must pay ~$330 for their RSV vaccine. This is because of two factors:

The adult RSV vaccine is not yet included in the CDC’s annual vaccine schedule, which should be updated in 2024.

CDC’s official recommendation for RSV vaccines is that older adults “may” get the vaccine rather than “should.” Private companies use this language as justification not to cover expenses.

Aren’t there neurological side effects to the adult RSV vaccine?

Clinical trials found a possible safety signal. For more details, see this previous YLE post.

TLDR: Because the number of events was so small, it’s hard to know whether these are coincidental events or reflect a real safety issue. Future data will clarify this, but it will take time for real-world data to accumulate.

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When will the maternal RSV vaccine be available?

It will still be a while. While the FDA has officially approved the vaccine, the CDC is not meeting until October 25-27 to determine policy.

Bottom line

A lot is going on this fall. Keep sending us your questions. I hope this helps!

Love, YLE

[Graham64]

Thanks for this important update. My doctor told me if I have the covid jab, my body immune system will spend a lot of effort in countering the covid jab, leaving less capacity my immune system to fight infections. Do you think that is true?

[Cgolen99 in reply to Graham64]

Interestingly my CLL expert continues to advise me against any more COVID vaccines. I have had 3 full doses of Moderna and that's is it. She cites the weight of not knowing how many antibodies we produce anyway, versus the risks of T-Cells continuing to become stimulated by the boosters and then becoming less effective and then secondary cancer possibility increasing and also the increased risk of clotting and cardiac issues etc. She just feels the memory cells from the vaccines received, plus having COVID once and current treatments are a better solution for CLL patients based on her research. So difficult with so many different opinions even from the experts.

[Graham64 in reply to Cgolen99]

Thanks for this. Very useful. I aim to ask my specialist CLL doctors next week, and will report back.

[lankisterguy Volunteer]

Hi Graham64,

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I have no medical training, and would defer to any trained doctor, but I have not heard that hypothesis from any of our CLL expert doctors here in the USA.

I see that you are or were on the FLAIR trial- was the doctor that you quoted one of the lead researchers on the FLAIR trial or a local GP for the NHS?

There have been numerous past postings & discussion on the current NHS protocols - you may find something useful in one of these 82 postings & replies: healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...

Two regular posters Hidden or Kwenda may want to add some opinions,

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Len

[Graham64]

Thank you Len. It was a local GP who said that to me. I am meeting my FLAIR doctors next week, and will be asking them this.

[lankisterguy Volunteer]

Hi Graham64

Please let us know the response, I am very interested.

Len

[Graham64 in reply to lankisterguy]

Hello Len. My doctor on last Tuesday was Kate Cwynarski. She leads the team at UCL. She said that what I had been told was wrong, and I could go ahead with Covid jab if I wished, and it would not have any impact on my immune system fighting other infections if necessary. Graham

[lankisterguy Volunteer]

Thanks for clarifying that. Len

[MisfitK]

Can someone weigh in on how Novavax is produced? I know it's not MRNA, but I also know it's not dead virus (like a flu shot) - at least I think it's not. Is this another "novel" vaccine, or is there another vax we already take that's just like it (like the Shingrex one, as an example)?

Edit to Add: I am leaning to update my vax status with Novavax, but I don't want to introduce another new vax type while I'm taking my normal flu shot...or if I do, I want to space it out a lot to make sure it goes well.