If you have been diagnosed with CLL, but are not yet being treated, you might want to try my salad dressing which includes foods and spices that are reputed to have anti-cancer properties. It is best eaten over a salad that includes one or more of the cole crop vegetables (such as broccoli, cabbage, kale, or broccoli sprouts). Here's the recipe:
I just want to acknowledge that with careful reading of your post, nowhere do you state that these ingredients "will cure CLL." Nothing in this post seems inappropriate to me.
I always enjoy reading your posts, and want to say I'm sorry that it seems you are having a bad day.
I cannot find any objectionable statements in Howard's post such as your final sentence about praying or cursing God. Nor does he state his dressing "will cure CLL."
In fact, his last line simply says it tastes good.
Hope you feel better. I know chronic illness is a lifelong struggle for all of us.
I look forward to more of your witty and humorous replies.
In defense of Scott, this is a cll forum, not a food forum, and when I read Howard's post I did not think he was simply sharing a tasty recipe. I cook a great gumbo, but I would not post the recipe here.
When read in conjunction with his previous postings, I think Howard was sharing a recipe that he believes had has cancer fighting qualities, which made it fair game for Scott to challenge.
Howard did not write his recipe "cures" cancer, that is true. But implicit in his post, particular in light of other postings, was that Howard somehow thinks this recipe helps his cll, not just in the sense that we should all eat healthy, but rather in the sense that there are specific ingredients in this recipe that he thinks help fight cancer.
I do think it is widely accepted that certain foods help "prevent" cancer. Broccoli helps prevent colon cancer. But eating broccoli after you have cancer doesn't "fight cancer" in the sense of treating it.
Howard used the phrase "anti-cancer properties" in his post. I think Scott read that, as I did, that Howard thinks his dressing with turmeric and pomegranate in it is somehow"treating" his cll or making it better. Howard previously posted about treating cll with pomegranate.
So like Scott, I do not think Howard's purpose in posting was to share a delicious recipe, but rather to share a recipe he thinks helps his cll.
I welcome Howard to the forum and enjoy discussing all cll topics, even controversial ones. I think we all agree on here that eating a healthy diet helps our body to be healthy to fight our cll. That's different from saying a healthy diet "treats" cll and reverse it or slows it to any substantive degree.
Howard can clear his intention up, but has yet to do so, which makes me wonder. Howard, is it your belief you are treating your cll and making it stop or slow it with your dressing, green tea, pomegranate and turmeric? Or are you just sharing a tasty and healthy recipe.
I am sorry in advance if this comes off as too direct, but that is the issue here in this whole thread that is being danced around and only Howard can answer. This is a cll forum, so I think it fair to ask if you are suggesting this recipe helps our cll.
There are people on here that when they read "anti cancer" might conclude from Howard's post that eating his salad dressing will help slow or treat their cll. It seemed to me when I read the post that Howard was implying exactly that. I don't think there is science to support that and my understanding is that this is a science based forum.
I really appreciated Howard's post. Sounds like a very tasty salad dressing, and I am eager to try it. Howard is making no claims about his salad dressing curing CLL. It's a shame to see a new member - once again - receive such crabby and unwelcoming treatment here.
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Hi Howard. Thank you for posting what sounds like a delicious and healthy salad dressing. I am eager to try it. And welcome to the forum. Sorry you aren't getting a more universal welcome here, which I feel every new member with a CLL diagnosis is entitled to.
Hi Howard! Welcome and thanks for the recipe. As others have written we are a very supportive group. I didn’t see where you said it cures cancer either but “possible anti-cancer properties”. If you can, pick and chose what posts/responses you read.
Howard - There is a facebook Group that you might find complements this one nicely, as you are interested in diet. CLL Warriors - ANTICANCER LIVING / Leukemia diet, health & wellness!
I like that Facebook group too and also recommend it. But one drawback with that group is that all posts need to be approved by one (or more) of the admins. And that can take hours or days. I have canceled my pending posts rather than go through that. It substantially impedes the organic flow of information and conversation... And isn't really that welcoming or productive in terms of discourse. But I drop by the group from time to time to read the content that has made it through the adjudication gauntlet.
If you are in the wait and see stage, it may prove beneficial to clean up ones diet and include "sane" doses of studied / validated dietary supplements. Once you buy your ticket and board the treatment train, you should be extremely cautious of what foods and supplements you consume. In the case of CLL and seven years of wait and see, I began the Ibrutinib regimen. With Ibrutinib you have to be cautious of any consumable that may modify CYP3A metabolism and/or qualifys as a concomitant anticoagulant / antiplatelet agent. The problem is that there are foods and supplements that can amplify or negate the intended therapeutic effect of an extremely expensive drug. To ignore this reality can lead to poor or lethal outcomes for some individuals. Do your research and consult with a knowledgeable integrative oncology specialist before experimenting with any 'alternative' foods or supplementation. A good example was that I was taking moderate doses of curcumin/tumeric with pepperine when I began Ibrutinib and experienced severe bleeding under the skin on my arms. Once I stopped taking curcumin/tumeric the bleeding quickly cleared up. Everyone is different; one size does not fit all. What may prove beneficial before beginning treatment may have disastrous results after beginning treatment. Proceed with caution and give the drug an opportunity to work or not work.
It’s one of the reasons we tend to shy clear of ‘anti cancer’ recipes on here because it’s quite difficult for many of our members to receive expert nutritional advice and it’s too easy to inadvertently ingest fairly innocent ingredients which can cause unwelcome and even hazardous interactions.
I agree whole heartily. Where as I agree that HowardR did not say his dressing would cure CLL, he implied that it would keep you from getting cancer. No sense in trying to cure cancer if you do not have it. I also am not wanting to step on anyone's hopes, but I already have cancer and the dressings is not going to help.
It does sound wonderful!!! Problem is, on Imbruvica I can't take flax seed oil, can cause bleeding according to my Pharmacist at the Specialty Pharmacy, but thanks for the recipe. I'd try it if I could.
Scott, Howard never said that his salad dressing would cure cancer. I'd suggest you avoid hurtful and insulting language, "fantasy... tin foil hat... ". Be respectful.
With respect his previous post says “ but anardana might actually be more effective against CLL “ as a comparison to Turmeric. I personally think many people would read that as an endorsement.
I’m on acalabrutinib and oncologist said No turmeric!” It mildly interferes with clotting Through decreasing platelet aggregation. And acalabrutinib apparently already decreases my clotting. Otherwise I’d be back on turmeric daily!
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