Turmeric, Michael Mosley proves efficacy..

[luckyackerl]

Last episode of "Trust me I'm a doctor" shows positive result of tumeric in combating cancer. Not caps or supplements, but the powder was used effectively in experiment at Newcastle University. Exciting programme worth watching, will definitely continue using it! Details on programme website.

[neurodervish]

Do you have a web link for it?

[wroxham-gb in reply to neurodervish]

Does turmeric really help protect us from cancer?

It’s a spice that’s been used in South Asian cooking for thousands of years, but can turmeric do more than flavour our curry – could it boost our health and even help prevent cancer?

Turmeric is a rather unassuming root that you’d easily overlook – but ground down it’s a yellow-orange spice that’s at the heart of just about every Indian curry. But over the years numerous articles have appeared claiming that this common spice is able to cure anything from heartburn to an upset stomach, and keep at bay serious diseases like diabetes, depression, Alzheimer’s, and even cancer.

There are thousands of studies published on turmeric, and in particular one compound thought responsible for many of the supposed health benefits: curcumin.

Trials on rats have shown that extremely high doses of curcumin managed to inhibit the development of several types of cancer, but only about 2-3% of turmeric powder is curcumin, and when we eat it, not much of that curcumin is even absorbed into our body. In the literature, though, there is a real dearth of studies on ‘normal’ dietary levels of turmeric (there’s not enough money in selling normal turmeric powder to make anyone want to invest the cash to fund the studies).

So, does a regular diet of modest amounts of turmeric give us any health benefits or should we be taking supplements packed with turmeric or curcumin to ward off disease?

We set out to find out, searching for teams all over the UK whose research could help shed light on the issue.

The experiment

We teamed up with Newcastle University to run the experiment, and recruited nearly 100 volunteers. We took blood samples at the start of the experiment, and then they were split into three groups:

The first group took 1 teaspoon of turmeric powder daily,

The second group took the same amount of turmeric as a supplement

The third group took a placebo pill.

For 6 weeks they’d follow this routine, and then we took blood samples again.

We did three tests on their blood samples:-

The first was developed by PB Biosciences at Newcastle, and it’s an “oxidative stress test”. It’s an exciting new test that measures how well participants’ blood cells resist inflammation, and gives an indication of how healthy their immune systems are. This would help assess whether turmeric might reduce inflammation enough to have an impact on chronic diseases like diabetes.

The second test was a count of their white blood cells, which is another indication of the health of their immune systems.

The final test we used was developed at University College London, and it involved looking at the methylation of their DNA. DNA carries the genetic code for all of our cells – but different cells ‘read’ different parts of the code. Methylation of the DNA prevents some parts of the code from being ‘read’ in different cells, so that they all get their own parts of the instruction. However, recent research has shown that methylation of the DNA can ‘go wrong’ and this can cause cells to become cancerous. At UCL, Professor Martin Widschwendter and his team have already shown a promising ability to predict breast and ovarian cancer long before it actually develops through spotting signature DNA methylation changes. We hoped to see changing methylation patterns that might indicate our volunteers’ bodies switching on and off different genes that might be related to diseases, including cancer.

The results

The oxidative stress test in Newcastle showed that there was a small increase in oxidative stress in all three groups equally.

Change in blood oxidative stress

Our immune systems are affected by seasonal changes – sunburn can increase oxidative stress on them, and it could be that over the 6 weeks this sort of change was happening to volunteers in all three groups.

Because the placebo group changed as much as the two turmeric groups we cannot attribute any change to the turmeric.

The white blood cell count also showed that in all three groups, the number of their immune cells had decreased, equally across the groups.

However, the DNA methylation test we did showed VERY exciting results.

There was no difference in the methylation of the DNA of our volunteers who took the placebo pills, or those who took the supplement pills, but there was a very significant change in the methylation patterns in the group who were cooking with turmeric powder.

On one gene in particular, the researchers at UCL saw a dramatic change, and this gene (known as SLC6A15) is associated with risks of depression and anxiety, asthma and eczema, and cancer.

DNA methylation analysis

The activity of the SLC6A15 gene was being changed.

It’s too early to tell whether the impact is a positive or negative one – but given that turmeric has been associated with improving these conditions, it is likely that these changes are beneficial.

There is one caveat to these conclusions – the researchers have not yet analysed the volunteers’ blood samples to determine the levels of curcumin (or other turmeric-related compounds) in it.

It could be that those cooking with the turmeric powder also changed their diet in a way that caused this methylation change and that it wasn’t the effect of the turmeric.

Measuring their blood levels of curcumin and comparing that with the levels of those in the supplement group (who did not see the DNA methylation change) would help make the link between turmeric/curcumin and the DNA methylation change.

Why would cooking with turmeric be different from taking it as a supplement?

It is thought that cooking with turmeric has an impact on how much curcumin from it our bodies are able to absorb. Curcumin is lipophilic, which means it binds to fats, and so when we cook with oils the curcumin binds to the oil and is more easily absorbed by our guts. Black pepper – more specifically, a compound of black pepper called piperine – might do the same thing, helping to smuggle even more of the curcumin into our bodies. Hence cooking with turmeric, black pepper and oils together might be a better combination.

What this means

This is an enormously exciting result – for us and the UCL lab - because it might be that we’ve found the mechanism by which turmeric provides us with health benefits – by affecting the behaviour of our very genes. It’s early days, but it’s worthy of further research.

For Professor Widschwendter it’s exciting because he’s interested in using his technique to develop strategies that we might use in order to prevent cancer long before it develops – and this result shows him both that his technique can track small changes over short periods of time, AND that turmeric might be worthy of further study as a substance that can help inhibit cancer development.

It’s very difficult to find ways to reduce the risks of diseases that take a long time to develop – such as cancer (or heart disease), and so tests that accurately give an ‘early warning’ of these diseases, and which are sensitive enough to show a subtle change in risk, are very valuable indeed (see our item on urinary proteomics).

The results also suggest that eating small amounts of turmeric regularly may have a positive impact on your health.

It IS early days, but it may well be that this modest spice could help protect us from a range of chronic diseases.

Which, if you needed it, is a good excuse to have a curry!

Hope this helps.xx

[neurodervish in reply to wroxham-gb]

Thank you. All I know is that Indian food makes me happier than just about anything else. It is SO delicious! I wish I were better at cooking it.

[wroxham-gb in reply to neurodervish]

Keep trying Neuro. youll get there.

Sue

[Oleboyredw-uk in reply to wroxham-gb]

Hi Wroxham, could you supply the link for the original text please?

rob

[wroxham-gb in reply to Oleboyredw-uk]

bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04j9g...

I this what you require?

Sue

It is the original text copied Rob, somehow missed off title. That's me and computers.

PsI did it for luckyacker, it is her post!!

[luckyackerl in reply to wroxham-gb]

Thanks! You are far more proficient computerwise than moi! Have taken turmeric since someone posted its benefits on this site sometime ago. I have cll and non specific interstitial pneumonitis and the latter def seems improved...no more haemoptisis that I had for a year. Maybe coincidence or placebo effect, I dont really care!

[wroxham-gb in reply to luckyackerl]

Really pleased that it's helped you luckyacker1. That's what it is all about.

Best wishes.

Sue

[luckyackerl in reply to wroxham-gb]

Thanks again and best wishes to you!

Joyce

[AussieNeil Partner Administrator in reply to neurodervish]

bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-374... with thanks to Kwenda for supplying the link.

As the BBC program states: 'There is one caveat to these conclusions – the researchers have not yet analysed the volunteers’ blood samples to determine the levels of curcumin (or other turmeric-related compounds) in it.'

It is well known that curcumin does not cross from the gut into the blood supply very well, which is why it can be bought (at a considerable premium) in supplement form combined with piperine (black pepper) or other formulations that are claimed (with some evidence) to dramatically improve absorption - twenty fold or more. (Work has been done with adjuvants, nanoparticles, liposomes, phospholipids and micelles to improve absorption.) It also doesn't last long in the blood (gone in 15 minutes in rats), as it is rapidly converted and broken down into other molecules by the liver: turmericforhealth.com/gener...

I'm not aware of any in vivo studies of turmeric/curcumin to confirm it is active against CLL, but it has been proven in vitro to trigger apoptosis in CLL cells, with a number of cell pathways involved, some of which overlap with EGCG in green tea. In vitro testing indicates it should be taken alternately with EGCG, not concurrently: clincancerres.aacrjournals....

Using Turmeric/Curcumin in attempt to slow your CLL progression should be considered experimental and given the problems inherent in achieving a high enough blood serum level to achieve a biological effect (let alone against CLL cells in the lymph nodes), you'd need to take very large doses - which can cause unpleasant digestive side effects. Just using it in food is unlikely to have any noticeable effect on CLL. As with all pharmacologically active substances, there's also a 'dark side' as Cllcanada posted about some time ago - 'Accumulating data have demonstrated since then that curcumin can induce DNA damage and chromosomal alterations both in vitro and in vivo at concentrations similar to those reported to exert beneficial effect.' : ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/198...

If that doesn't put you off trying it, at least let your medical team you are taking it...

Other relevant posts: healthunlocked.com/search/t...

Neil

[Myrddin]

A great series well worth watching.

Another program worth watching is The Doctor who gave up Drugs - helping people stop taking medication long term that is not actually helping and may be doing harm. "bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07w52tp"

[PaulaS Volunteer in reply to Myrddin]

I just tried that link, Myrddin but it didn't work... It went to BBC Programs but said "Sorry that page was not found".

I'd be interested to see the program, because I've often thought that some people are taking longterm medications that aren't the best thing for them....

Paula

[Myrddin in reply to PaulaS]

Second of two episodes was on last night so you should be able to find it on iplayer. Some clips can be found here: bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07w52...

[Hidden]

When I was into 'alternatives' many-many years ago, I heard about the good effects of turmeric so I incorporated it as much as I could in my recipes in the kitchen. I have no idea if it helped me or not, but it is a delicious addition to many dishes not just curry, and I still carry on sprinkling it into soups and sprinkling it onto salads that had an olive oil-lemon dressing. If it does help - that's a bonus!

Sue_w

[Oleboyredw-uk in reply to Hidden]

Curries are one of my favourite foods, must have more. I agree with sue_w that turmeric and other base ingredients are great tasting in many dishes (not just curry). rob

[Soosie16-USA]

As I also suffer from osteoarthritis, I have been taking a supplement of tumeric/curcumin as it is supposed to help in inflammation. I take Rx medication as well. But, have always like the idea of using something natural to help with my arthritic inflammation. Appreciate this conversation on tumeric/curcumin. Susan-USA

[IsabelleAndJohn]

Turmeric and Curcumin Plants vs Pills :

nutritionfacts.org/video/tu...

Turmeric Reprogramming Cancer Cells Death :

nutritionfacts.org/video/tu...

EPIC Findings on Lymphoma :

nutritionfacts.org/video/ep...

EPIC Study

nutritionfacts.org/video/th...

[annabelle63]

I have been taking 6 capsules of curcumin every night for 8 months and am feeling much better

[luckyackerl in reply to annabelle63]

Pleased for you!

[Hidden]

Hi Everyone-

Thanks for all the important sharing.

3 months ago I was experiencing severe chemo brain, I was having serious problems.

Somehow I found curcumin BP 65 and within a week of taking one capsule a day my brain returned to "normal" function.

Hardly scientific but it appears to be very helpful to me.

This formulation claims to be 65% more absorbed into the blood.

My numbers have not radically changed but my head seems to be working as well as pre chemo.

I do not take it during my monthly week of chlorambicil.

Like much of the mystery around Cll this is one more interesting avenue to consider.

Of course I am working closely with my hemogologist.

Thank you all for your presence in our Cll world.