Hi guys a stupid question somehow

[Benidormermick]

How much time in average it takes to go yo stage 3 to stage 4 for a liver? If not taking meds.

[AyrshireK]

Not a stupid question to ask but probably an impossible one to answer. It would depend on the underlying condition and what it is that is attacking the liver. It really is a very individual thing and even a medic couldn't give you an answer. Some people are stage 4 before they even know they have an issue.

There are things you can do to prevent progression and try to reverse damage but it depends entirely on the cause of the issue in the first place.

[Hidden]

How long is a length of string? There is not a set amount of time. Also depends what the cause of your liver disease is as well as to if it will even progress

[LAJ123 in reply to Hidden]

I have several bits of string which I have measured very carefully. But I keep the results secret to avoid misleading people about how long their particular piece of string might be.

Jim

[Hidden in reply to LAJ123]

Have I said something misleading?🤔

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

No, your'e comment wasn't misleading, but some interpret things differently.

[LAJ123 in reply to Hidden]

Just a bit of levity- your reply was fine.

[Hidden in reply to LAJ123]

Jim,

Surely it is 42?

Mark.

[davianne in reply to Hidden]

Hi Snouti, I'm listening to Hitchhikers for the fourth time on my listening books app.

David

[Hidden in reply to davianne]

It answers everything 😂

[Kristian in reply to LAJ123]

The length of a piece of string is the same no matter how long it is! Now that's a teaser for you. Big wavy hands to anyone that knows the answer, and there is an answer, trust me.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Good answer ☺️

[Brett11 in reply to Hidden]

I couldn’t wait. I went straight to stage four ☹️

[Memoore686 in reply to Brett11]

I as well, I skipped right to it! I will never forget the day I was told stage 4 cirrohsis. And I do not drink. Quite the surprise.

[Hidden in reply to Memoore686]

The ‘do not pass go’ moment, there is no one else in the room?

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

I was told in a email!

[Hidden in reply to Memoore686]

That is very sensitive, are you decompensated?

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

I am reaching that place. Variceal bleeds from nose, they have been minor so far. Sleep seems non existant. Lot of pain.

[Hidden in reply to Memoore686]

Ask for a trans jugular biopsy, even email might work?

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

Trans jugular biopsy I do not know what that is? I had liver biopsy got results via email.

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

Not sure what you are trying to say.... I had stomach surgery they decided to biopsy liver while in there, they made error and results were sent via email. I looked up trans jugular, that is biopsy, already been done, so not sure what you are trying to say?

[Hidden in reply to Memoore686]

I understand, you have already had one done. Normally you get the diagnosis and then followed by the trans jugular biopsy. It is the definitive diagnosis, in my case confirming end stage decompensated cirrhosis.

It is a single surgical procedure with a local. Your story is unusual and I understand the email. Error being the operative word, in both senses.

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

I am in US, they do not do anything by the book here, they treat you badly for cirrohsis, like punish you.

[Hidden in reply to Memoore686]

It is the shit end here, thank you George Best.

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

I have had a nurse yell at me because she thought I had hep c, and donated blood at a blood drive. She assumed because of the cirrohsis! I told her to go back to med school because cirrohsis is no longer a hep c and alchohol disease.

[jackpot61 in reply to Memoore686]

I'm in US and I have Hep c advanced stage cirohissis. so there is hectic liver cirohissis.

[jackpot61 in reply to jackpot61]

Hep c I meant sorry

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

I also feel like I have the flu all the time, It just feels that way.

[Hidden in reply to Brett11]

my husband also, straight to stage 4 . unexplained swollen stomach , we which now know as the ascites . been in hospital twice for draining since diagnosed mid jan this year .

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

Very sorry to hear that. Ascites really scares me

[Hidden in reply to Memoore686]

he has lost all his muscle and is almost just skin and bone after being a very muscular man. but now has this swollen stomach even after drainage , the ascites has gone temporarily but the abdomen still stays enlarged. in is on 10 day of a hospital stay at the moment, which is made harder as we live in bulgaria and apart from the main doctor no one speaks english . so long days and nights for him . we have house up for sale so desperately hoping to sell quick and return to uk and family .

[Memoore686 in reply to Hidden]

I will pray for him! Terrible situation.

[jazzjam in reply to Hidden]

I had ascites in the abdomen and had tablets which got rid of the fluid but my stomach stayed enlarged, it took a while but eventually just reduced. I also was skin and bone, no muscle. Very slowly I followed a plan from the nutritionist. High protein but in small amounts (a lot smaller than you think) less than 1/4 of a chicken breast for example in one meal with veg, salad etc.. whole grain foods only, plenty of protein shakes with fruit, trying to eat 6 times a day but again, tiny portions. It took a while as my stomach just felt full but I got there. It’s a difficult situation where you are so maybe you could try helping with this from your home for the moment if you can’t see a nutritionist. ADMINS if this is classed as advise that shouldn’t be given please remove and I apologise.

[Roy1955]

If its alcohol related it's the time it takes to down the one last drink that tips you into unrecoverable liver disease.

[davianne]

Straight to stage four for me, but then I have always been impatient 🤣

David

[Hidden]

Hi Benidormermick

This is not a stupid question at all. As the forum members have said, progression of liver disease can vary widely and is dependent on so many factors.

We hope you are under the care of a specialist and can get time to address these important queries to them..

Keep us posted.

Warm wishes

Trust1