I'm in constant afib, but still functional. Was taking 12 mg ivermectin every half month since about December 2022. Then started every week since June 26, 2024. My heart functions much better now. Feel much stronger since June, no longer use a cane, I can walk several kilometers. I can't say it was the ivermectin, maybe a coincidence. I still have irregular heartbeats.
Ivermectin may have improved my afib - Atrial Fibrillati...
Ivermectin may have improved my afib
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Why were you taking ivermectin?
Isn't it for worms?
🙄 do keep up lol.
Yes I must do better!! The extent of my knowlege is that it was primarily invented for heartworm in animals, and some years later approved for some parasitic infections, such as River Blindness in humans, and then with Covid, it, with many other things was used in the treatment for that virus,but there is no scientific evidence to support any claim for its effectiveness in that capcity. Here endeth the extent of my knowledge - wait a mo, I was involved in a canine rescue organisation and it was used in puppies with cocccidia by the Vet we used (parasitic worms again)😀
It’s main use is for Malaria and has been for many decades.
I don't know how effective it is in other Malaria areas, but I do know that in Sub - Saharan Africa, it was used mainly on communities affected by River blindness and it was observed that mosquitos that fed onthe blood of people or animals treated with the drug died. I believe it is called the Cochrane report where, knowing the the mosquito as the vector for Malaria ,died after ingesting blood from people being treated for River blindness, a study was introduced where they treated whole villages with the drug, in the hope that killing the mosquito in this way would reduce the transmission of Malaria. The resuly of the study was not very encouraging. It has however,been used very successfully for many years in treating River Blindness in humans in Sub- Saharan Africa.
Should have read that although the Black Fly is the Vector of River Blindness, blood containing Ivermectin killed the mosquito. Sorry, could not find a way to edit my post !
Also anti-bacterial and anti-viral and no doubt much more as it has anti-cancerous properties etc also.
I’ve only ever used it twice. Once for a dog with demodectic mange mites, and once to prevent scabies in a human. I think it’s now used for other health issues but im not sure what - which is why I asked.
It has recently been used by some for a recent condition. Know what I mean? 
It's a very cheap, far out of licence medicine with huge possibilities - but because it is so cheap and not patentable, no research will be done on it as there are no profits to be made. In fact, in recent times, has been ridiculed and mentioning it on social media has got many banned.
I wonder why that is? 🤔🤔🤔 Perhaps watch Dr Jon Campbell's thoughts about it?
Best wishes,
Wonderful news I am very pleased for you! May I ask - so only 12mg once a week?
We have used it on occasion for the last few years around infections but curious it might be worth a regular trial. Nothing to loose really (for us), such a safe medication.
Given the nature of AF, this sounds a coincidence, but presumably you are taking the ivermectin to treat a parasitic illness or similar, so, in clearing that (which can take a long time, I gather), your AF symptoms might have improved. I suppose it's one of those things that will never be known.
Steve
Ivermectin is proving to be efficacious for a lot more than parasites.
It's an interesting drug. It's clearly seen by some as sitting alongside aspirin and penicillin in its overall usefulness to mankind. The major new Oxford study showed no useful effect against covid-19, perhaps surprisingly given the in-vitro potential.
Steve
Steve
Do you know the name of that Oxford study by any chance
Hi Ainslie. If you search for "New study shows ivermectin lacks meaningful benefits in COVID-19 treatment" it will be the first to come up as a Nuffield link. The second link that shows, to the "Principle Trial" study information page, is also worth reading. It's clear that these Oxford scientists have properly studied the drug in this potential usage.
I struggle to think taking an anti-fungal / -viral / -microbial daily is a good thing, and I am one for prophylaxis as I do take statins and losartan as a cardio-protective drugs, so I am not against the general idea.
Steve
Thanks Steve
I will have a read 👍
But take this report with a very large pinch of salt unfortunately.
You have to as yourself why even mentioning a very cheap, very safe drug like this one has got many, many people censored in social media. Too cheap, too effective? Better than new drugs that make vast amounts of money? 🤔
Sadly, research accuracy is now compromised I believe. 😥
You take statins? If you were to research them and their ineffectiveness with the same diligence I wonder if you would continue?
I've written what I feel is a well-considered viewpoint on statins in another post. As new science reveals new aspects, that viewpoint might change. It's an area in some flux.
Your choice of the word "ineffectiveness" regarding statins surprises me, but it is not an area that can be argued any longer online, sadly. Statins have unfortunately, along with several other drugs, been hijacked to be used as a tool to beat those who still support rational, traditional science.
Steve
Quite true , and the push to put people off statins "full stop" never takes into consideration that many people are put on them for other cardiac health reasons like reducing the build up of arterial plaques or stabilising existing plaque and not just to reduce total cholesterol as a Preventative of future risks in people whom are otherwise generally healthy apart from suffering Afib.
I think medical science is now able to track the effects of drugs far better and I don’t doubt that many seemingly safer drugs will be shown to have risks attached to their use.
Luckily, despite this, more people generally thrive and for longer and better than in history.
Steve
I love rational, science. I abhor that it has been hijacked by agencies after only profit.
One example: www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/pr... (Dr Roger Lord, a Research Fellow with The Prince Charles Hospital in Brisbane)
Also, look up who finds the drug watchdog associations in western countries. Yep! Pharmaceutical companies!
I would agree , and like yourself I'm not against using prophylactic or preventative medications for my various health conditions as long as they are generally proven to be safe and effective.I originally gave a simple answer for this question but as I've dropped in to see how the discussion has progressed and seen the often debated topic that the only reason certain drugs or supplements aren't used is because of Big Pharma , I've done my usual thing , don't just speculate based on my personal point of view , look up the facts and see what's right.
If my assumption was wrong Id honestly say it and join the Ivermectin supporters.
Yes. we did see some patients during COVID, usually those without preexisting cardiac problems whom improved with the use of ivermectin. But with more standardised testing the case for the effectiveness of ivermectin as a treatment , let alone as a safe preventative, has not been significantly proven(it is a drug with some rather unpleasant side effects if it's taken in the long term or too much is taken , so the risks are not balanced by consistent benefits).
The question in this post , however, isn't just about use as a COVID treatment or as an infection preventative but could it improve Atrial Fibrillation.
Despite the myths that circulate about Big Pharma and Medical Research these conventional medical groups do not just simply squash the idea of using medications or supplements in preventative ways because they want us to use their costly named alternatives.
They do test these things , because in reality they like to discover cheap drugs and supplements that they already supply to health care systems could be used in a more wide spread way , because it's them that profit from the bulk ordering of these medical supplements to be used as preventatives. Just as they do with simple supplements like iron , folic acid etc.
In the case of Ivermectin, because of the potential as a widespread treatment for COVID it's actually received more thorough analysis more quickly , to the extent that it was safe to do so on humans. than many other alternative medications that are often discussed.
The findings in relation to aFib and cardiac Arrhythmias when tested in two ways in rats were not good which was why this wasn't considered practically safe to test within human trials , and certainly not upon cardiac patients.
Ivermectin was seen to actually cause a variety of cardiac symptoms or have a detrimental effect in rats with myocardial ischemia. This included an increase in atrial Fibrillation, all cardiac arrhythmias, myocardial dysfunction and cardiac hypertrophy. The results were considered significant enough for researchers to advise doctors to consider very carefully before using ivermectin as a treatment for COVID in patients with preexisting cardiac conditions or myocardial dysfunction on presenting with COVID . Obviously, this also excluded cardiac patients from trials for Ivermectin because it would not be safe to do so.
Pretreatment of aFib with Ivermectin has also been tested on animals with the same potential of the drug causing a detrimental effect and increase risk of aFib and arrhythmia so again it's not considered appropriate to move forward with these human trials until a safe testing model is found.
The reason testing has not been done in general is simple and ethical. They cannot yet come up with an appropriate test model which would also be safe for the patients involved in the study, so data availability become limited to seeing patients whom come into AandEs with the health issues to prove the fact that ivermectin use for aFib, or, as a prophylactic in patients on common aFib medications is safe or not.
The two most interesting case studies that I read today (one includes pictures ) were as follows . The effect on a patient of taking ivermectin for scabies at the same time as using warfarin for cardiac issues. This added physical proof to the medical theory that taking ivermectin at the same time as warfarin or a variety of anticoagulants could increase blood thinning because they follow the same Vitamin K pathways and could also be unsafe.
The patient only took two doses of ivermectin for their scabies but the effect was severe warfarin toxicity prompting a medical alert that ivermectin should not be used by people on warfarin, and safer alternatives should be found to ivermectin for treatment of infections in people on any anticoagulants or antiplatelet as a precaution.
The second case was one of ivermectin toxicity in a young otherwise healthy young man whom was hospitalised because of the side effects of long term overuse of the drug as a Preventative. A possibility that could happen to any person, generally healthy or not, that chooses to take this drug as a Preventative of infection without proper supervision.
Even in the analysis of potential COVID treatments and prophylactic use for AIDs and Cancer patients because of reported clinic successes it's effectiveness universally is in doubt and the potential side effects of this drug are substantial which makes researchers conclude that better options and alternatives should be sorted.
Side effects include abdominal cramps, diarrhea, black stools, red eye irritation, dizziness , headaches , bleeding and palpitations or arrhythmia, in more severe cases , or if it's combined with certain drugs used for mental health or pain, it can cause hallucinations, seizures , loss of coordination, lucid dreams or increased depression.
Which makes it a less attractive option as a prevention drug to doctors than current well tested aFib treatments.
Now , after thorough reading from both sides of the camp on ivermectin, using it as a Preventative or acute treatment is an absolute No for me. The benefits certainly don't appear to outweigh the risks even with the most rudimentary testing.
Improvements on ivermectin only appear to occur in more individual cases not universally within patient groups.
And it appears proven that it is more likely to cause cardiac arrhythmias than improve them.
What a wonderful response. Thank you.
The truly strange and difficult to explain aspect is how on earth these deeply cynical conspiracy theories arise around only certain drugs or other things. My brother doesn’t just think that, for example, contrails are poison, he’s given up on me for believing in the science behind them.
Facebook and its ilk have truly altered the mindset of rather a lot of people.
Thank you, again.
Steve
Steve, I sincerely hope your brother has not given up on science, possibly just the dishonest way science is being manipulated/
Eg the misuse of statistics to befuddle how many people who take a medicine is actually helped. Maybe read Ben Goldacre's "Bad Pharma: How drug companies mislead doctors and harm patients"
Or, have an open mind and look at the "Numbers needed to treat" site: thennt.com/thennt-explained/
Best wishes,
I have never seen the "NNT" website. It's very interesting indeed. Thanks for the link. I'm not likely to consider myself close-minded, of course, but I did find that there was no need for me to open it up to find the site useful and fascinating.
I worked in "Big Pharma" for many years and also have been fascinated by and studied science since I was a young lad. It was my passion back then and remains so in many ways. I later taught English and Media Studies, so have also studied in depth how the media and, especially, social media works and how it has aided the spread of conspiracy theories and misinformation.
Mostly, I would say it is the media that misuses statistics, since their focus, long ago, moved away from informing and moved towards attracting attention to itself to sell ad space, copies or air time. Also, many media users seem not to be that interested in whether the media uses statistics properly or not, nor do they choose to educate themselves in what statistics is and can do.
I can sympathise with the view that science is being dishonestly manipulated. I don't have any cynicism towards it or the pharmaceutical industry, however. I do, though, harbour deep disappointment that we haven't found a better way, or a way around it happening. In my own Utopia, I would ban all lobbying for example, and fund clinical studies and even universities completely differently - but there we are. Utopia means "no place", so it will never happen. There's never been a better system so far as I know for finding innovative and useful medical treatments than the capitalist one we follow, as flawed as that is.
The uses of ivermectin and chloroquine in covid-19 treatment or prophylaxis fascinated me and has been an area that has raised a lot of conspiracy attention. I don't think the science was manipulated to show them to be ineffective when the opposite was true. I believe that the science rightly showed they were largely ineffective or, at least, not provably so. The pandemic was a whirlwind time for governments and science and many mistakes were made. Some capitalists milked it for all it was worth, too. That's sad and especially sad that the government we hd at the time seems to conspire with just that at times, or so it seemed to me.
Steve
Steve, I only meant to imply it's too easy to write-off views critical to the accepted view as closed.
"ban all lobbying" Yes! So needed.
My biggest bugbear in research is the fudging of absolute and relative risk for an individual. I have ended up taking anti-coagulants 'for life' after 1 bout of atrial flutter, and I am trying to find out which of these statistics was quoted at me. I cannot find it out anywhere. I believe all research papers should be obliged to state both clearly marked.
Agree about most content makers wanting to increase numbers. Imo, a notable exception to this is Dr. John Campbell (PhD).
That's interesting, as my first arrhythmia in 2019 was AFl. After my ablation, I was told I wouldn't need to continue with rivaroxaban or any medication. In the event, when I stopped the bisoprolol I was taking after the ablation, around a week later I had a dreadful day and ended up being taken to hospital with what turned out to be very fast AF. It was then that the doctor told me that I would have to restart the rivaroxaban for life.
I've utterly lost trust in Campbell, I'm afraid. Another thing I would ban in my Utopia is the monetising of content on YouTube!
Steve
Yes, taking 12 mg per week now. I'm taking it as a preventative for viral infections, and possible anti cancer effect.
It's more likely to be a coincidence, in that you probably didn't only start trying ivermectin but probably also changed other habits , diet or lifestyle even if those changes were small when you got health issues as well. If you take other prescribed medications and made lifestyle changes this will have eventually improved your health over time , sometimes recovery takes a long time so you can often give the credit to something that had little or no real effect.
The only way you'd really be able to establish if ivermectin was responsible is if you stopped taking it for a month , as you could get withdrawal effects in the first week or two which you could mistake as being proof that the supplement or drug is doing more than it is as well.
Hopefully lots of unbiased research will emerge on this wonder drug, so we can all benefit as and when needed. Currently I believe a blanket has been thrown over it as it was not helpful to the Covid vaccine campaign.
Indeed it was and even now it's poo-pooed like so many things that are beneficial but discouraged because either they aren't pharmaceuticals or they're as cheap as chips and there isn't a profit in them as otc meds. I haven't found anywhere you can buy Ivermectin in the UK so it's perhaps a moot point anyway.
The animal version is freely available from Vets in South Africa and that is a problem, people were taking the animal drug at a concentration needed for horses and cows.I honestly don't know if people are still taking it, or if restrictions have now been applied, but during Covid it was very popular.
Yes, it was thrown in as a miracle cure for COVID without any testing or trials, and when they did test it I understand it wasn’t affective. A shame that it was sued as a political football at the time which destroyed any trust in it.
Still, loads of drugs developed for one reason or another become very useful at treating other conditions so it shouldn’t be written off unless there is evidence it doesn’t do what is claimed.
There are many studies including a massive one done in Brazil which showed that Ivermectin was effective for both infection and prevention. The main stream media deliberately ignored these. Even some of the studies that concluded it was not effective had data which showed it was ( most doctors and science journalists only read the summaries and conclusions and don't bother digging into the actual data). It was dissed because it threatened the profits to be made out of the new vaccines. I you look at Pierre Kory's substack he has many articles about exactly how this occurred.
I live out in the country *see farms* and lots of feed and country stores. During COVID, the owners had to stop sales to anyone no showing vet or farm accounts. People from the city, were scouring the countryside for what they were told by certain American right wing media personalities on SM, was a miracle cure. Telling them the Invermectin used for farm animals was not the same as the milder prescription only 200mg emergency dosage.
If a person is screened and diagnosed with strongyloides (a parasite particular to humans) the a Dr. May prescribe a dosage.
I'd disagree, I read that Ivermectin was useful but taken alongside other things like Quercetin and Vitam C and D. It was then clearly smeared by big pharma who prefer their products are used.
Totally agree with you in respect of ivermectin being used successfully to treat (or prevent) covid for millions of ppl. As for it being a treatment for afib (scientific research aside) I am not too sure at the moment but i am considering using it. Why?
A few weeks ago I saw a guy being interviewed on facebook who was suffering with severe long covid type symptoms due to jab. He was extremly ill. As his symptoms progressed he was newly diagnosed with afib as an additional LC complication. At a certain point he was put under the care of yet another doctor who decided to prescribed him Ivermectin...cant recall reason why it was prescribed!!! In a matter of weeks besides other improvements, the patient noticed that his afib had greatly improved. He still takes ivermectin under the guidance of his doctor here in the UK.
Thanks for your helpful feedback. I'm assuming it relates to ivermectin's anti inflammatory effects ...
From "Ivermectin: A Multifaceted Drug With a Potential Beyond Anti-parasitic Therapy" ...
"Anti-inflammatory activity. The role of ivermectin as an anti-inflammatory agent has only recently been understood. This is an integral part of its use as an antihelminthic agent. Ivermectin is now known to play an immunomodulatory role that suppresses inflammatory responses in humans" 12 Mar 2024
Thanks for Posting.
Hi Jim, there was a couple of people on here 2-3 years ago who said their afib was much improved and maybe even non existent since using ivermectin, i purchased some during the whole covid thing to have on standby ,well i took a bad dose of flu and decided to give the ivermectin a go , i couldnt believe the next morning i jumped out of bed as if i never had any infection, normally and ive had plenty of flu infections, i would be bedridden for days, my intention was to try it for afib, i may give it a go , hoping you stay well Jim.
Hi Tom,
My story is just one anecdote, hoping others might share their experiences. I'll provide an update in November after I have another echocardiogram. I'm not willing to stop the ivermectin now, just to try to prove whether it actually had a positive effect. Maybe next year if I'm still feeling well. Good luck to you.
looking forward to any updates ,cheers
Hi Jim as a point of personal interest are you dosing with anti coagulants for afib?
Today i came across your initial post strictly by chance. I was delighted because I have been in afib for 4 days now and have been contemplating taking ivermectin to see if it will help me. I do have my own supply of 12mg tablets which i have used in the past with no problems but i have never used them to specifically treat afib.
Having read a previous members post re: scientific research which claims ivermectin should not be used with anti-coagulants, sadly, I now am apprehensive due to anti coagulant issue. I cannot be prescribed any other medication to treat afib so there is no point in going to see my GP or cardilolgist.
I was dosing with anti coagulants when I took Ivermectin in the the past and had no problems.
Queestion: are you taking anti coagulants while taking Ivermectin?
Yes, I'm taking Apixaban (Eliquis) as well as Bisoprolol.No problems.
Brilliant! Sincere thank you for reply. Hope your afib continues to improve. Have a rewarding day Jim.
it sounds like you might’ve had a parasite or something sort of bug infection that ivermectin kills off. that might’ve been part of why you have a fibs. Just guessing feel well.
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