Hello,I am a 71 female. In good health but have persistent Afib. I don't take any medication for the Afib. I don't even know I have it. I see my Cardiologist once a year. My question concerns Ivermectin. I was wanting to take a prophylactic dose of Ivermectin weekly to prevent sickness from rhino virus and for overall health benefit. I have been researching. I see where NIH says it exacerbates Afib and recommends be monitored closely when taking Ivermectin. I also found a Japanese study that found some Afib resolved while being on Ivermectin. .02mg x weight. I am curious if anyone has taken Ivermectin with Afib and what your experience was. Thank you.
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If you are in persistent afib, it's likely you won't feel any symptoms. As for Ivermectin - it can interact with other medications but concerning helping with afib? That would be a moot point.
I have a recommendation for you:
Change your cardio asap.
I'm not a doctor nor do I hold any medical qualifications but in my opinion, you should be on an anticoagulant - certainly at your age. What's your heart rate at rest? If it's higher than 100 BPM (ideally 65 - 70 BPM with afib) you should be on a rate control med IMO.
Please don't take what I'm saying as medical advice - it's just my opinion reading your thread.
Don't panic but get a second opinion. Your doctor will be able to refer you. I would jump on this one and act on it now.
I took Ivermectin (whilst taking 200mgs Flecainide) fortnightly for a few months and it had no effect on my PAF (or known side effects) which had been in remission for some years. I was 68 and in good health.
However as a prophylactic I bought high quality nasal & throat sprays from your country, brand name Immunomist if memory serves. I follow FLCCC, a group of doctors in the US that I trust.
From what I read during the C era, Ivermectin (possibly with other drugs) was rubbished by Big Pharma, government medical authorities and medical journals. However, here in the UK that mantra is subsiding and prescriptions issued by doctors evidently have shot up; not sure why but could be a wonder drug used in cancer treatments as well. Time will reveal the truth!
Just to let you know that you are not alone - I am 72, male, and also not on any medication for AF. Been advised numerous times here to start with anticoagulants but I didn't. Lately, after a lot of gathered knowledge, I am inclined to believe that all the people over 60-65 yo should be taking anticoagulants, no matter are they with cardiac arrhythmias or not. Still hesitating... If anything will destroy our civilization, it is chemical industry. Our bodies are of bio-chemical nature, so the interaction is very easy to happen. Just think of micro-plastics, for instance...
Persistent AF that you can't feel means that the bottom of your heart is coping nicely despite the partying going on in the flat above. Many with persistent AF are symptomatic and need treatments.
We can only feel what the bottom of the heart does, and mainly the opening and closing of the valves, which we feel as the pulse, so, in your case, that will be working normally, despite the AF. My elderly friend has the same as you and says he is only aware of his AF when he walks up a hill or other incline, when he puffs and pants a bit more.
All drugs can affect the heart, I would think, although mostly imperceptibly. I would only be guided by my GP if I were in your situation.
My afib is not very symptomatic these days. Although I know when I go into afib it is quite subtle . I can feel the irregularity if I take my pulse but hardly feel it in my chest at all - though my first few episodes were full on fighting frogs. The most bothersome aspect is the frequent urination at the beginning of the episode. BUT my Kardia readings for the heart rate are high 130- 155bpm. Why don't I feel this?
Fascinating! I have read that all we can feel of the heart is the valves closing causing a pulse wave through the arteries until they reach the more superficial ones that are close to sensory nerves. I guess your heart is not doing that. I'm surprised at such a heart rate you don't get a bit puffed out more easily?
Well I don't attempt to do a lot! I can do things like cook and wash up just a bit more slowly. They usually occur at night so much of them is spent sleeping . Towards the end of an episode moving around normally tends to make me revert.
It's interesting that walking helps. I find the opposite. This morning was typical: I start with clusters of ectopic beats, then, as soon as I walk up the stairs, say, or anything really, off it goes!
My consultant said that people tend not to feel AF when they are older — 70s, 80s as opposed to people in their 50s & 60s. He told me he has about the same number of ectopic as I do, but he doesn’t feel them. I told him he was lucky. He’s not that old. I reckon he’s a bit younger than me but probably not that much. So maybe we’ll grow out of it! 😂
I can understand people getting used to something and not becoming so stressed and then the thing becomes part of the background; but a heart rate that begins around 150 means that any additional demand, such as walking up some stairs, will send it higher. Also, the faster rate will cause the heart to be, by its nature, lower in output than such a rate would be in a healthy heart. I'm surprised that can't be noticed, even if not felt.
As for not feeling thousands of daily ectopics, again, I wonder what "feel" means? If the ectopics are atrial and has no effect on the ventricular contractions, then I suppose that would be undetectable; but many of my atrial ectopics do affect the ventricles and not feeling that at all does seem weird to me.
It is odd. I think some people have a greater sense of interoception compared with others. I also think there is a difference between people who feel it and think “no big deal” and those who can’t feel it. The people who feel it still feel it. I think it could be someone’s individual neurological “wiring” or something along those lines. Some people might not just be wired up to their bodily sensations like others. But I really don’t know. The age thing suggests that it may be a feedback system that works less effectively with age. I don’t get spooked by ectopics but I still feel them. If they’re too frequent I get annoyed!
I’ll have to ask him but it will probably be at least a year until I do, but it’s interesting. I genuinely believe there are some people who have no idea, odd as that may seem.
I'm sure you are right. My elderly friend couldn't feel his, except on exertion (stairs or slopes); but his permanent AF was at a normal-ish rate of 80-90bpm. I always imagined that was why.
It could be. I have slow AF at times but I still feel it. It feels like having constant and frequent ectopics for the time they last, whereas with fast AF I’ve experienced becoming “haemodynamically unstable” and quite awful with it. I don’t think not feeling it is a badge of honour. If anything, it doesn’t do anyone any favours if the first time they find out they hay AF is because of a medical emergency.
Mine is much like yours except I have not felt as ill as you have with it beyond the first one after my ablation - that was beyond awful. These days, it causes palpitations and a strange feeling in my throat. and I am best off sitting down as if I exert myself, the pulse shoots up very uncomfortably and then anxiety bites. I do get light-headed, on occasions, which can be disconcerting to put it mildly.
Only a personal anecdote - husband with persistent afib and myself have both taken ivermectin on and off over the last 4 years. Normally 24mg daily if we are treating an infection or sometimes adhoc doses of 24mg prophylacticly. No changes reported from husband (good or bad). I have though also read a few anecdotes where it has improved afib, we are all so individual making the health puzzle that much more difficult.
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