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No Afib since starting Ivermectin prophylaxis

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PlanetaryKim

I'm not making any claim. Just reporting my personal experience.

(Photo: my weekend project. :) )

On Feb 19, 2021, I began the Ivermectin prophylaxis protocol for Covid protection, as outlined by FLCCC doctors. I have not had a single Afib episode since commencing this protocol. Prior to that, I had an AF episode approximately once every 2-3 weeks since I starting keeping an Afib Diary last year in Jan 2020.

Ivermectin Protocol is here if anyone is curious: covid19criticalcare.com/wp-...

(Ivermectin is a 40-year old anti-parasitic drug used in both humans and animals. While CDC & WHO do not recognize the validity of ivermectin as effective prophylaxis and early treatment for Covid, many doctors and various countries the world over are using it for just that purpose. There is literature supporting its effectiveness as an anti-viral. It's a very hot potato politically right now.)

The prophylaxis protocol involves taking a single dose of ivermectin (12 mg for my body weight) once every 2 weeks, after an initial loading period over 3 days.

My last Afib episode was Feb 7-9, 2021. 10 days later I started ivermectin prophylaxis and have not had AF since. So I have now gone 10 weeks without Afib! That's a record for me! And I feel so much healthier that I finally got out and painted my front walkway!

Whatever the reason, I am THRILLED to have this respite from Afib and hope it continues!

Possible explanations are:

1. Complete coincidence - no connection to the ivermectin.

2. Ivermectin purportedly has both an anti-viral and anti-inflammatory effect (as well as its known anti-parasitic effect). Perhaps the anti-inflammatory aspect was the missing piece I needed to subdue the Afib.

3. Ivermectin may have cleared me of parasites. And that in turn may have taken a burden off my body & heart in terms of toxins, metabolites, inflammatory chemicals. etc.

I actually think #3 is the most likely explanation because I feel much more energetic and healthy than I have in a long time. At first I thought that was just the absence of Afib. But I am now wondering if a parasite burden has been removed.

Kim

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Really interesting Kim! Thanks for sharing and long may your AF be at bay.

Thank you! :)

Wow Kim, I've just read and re-read your post. It's all looking very promising with regard to your AF. Are you taking Ivermectin under qualified medical advice, or have you decided to do so on your own? It will be most interesting to see how you progress over the next few months.

Jean

My integrative & functional medicine doctor has prescribed it for me (at my request) for this purpose. But really, the doctors who are very publicly posting their ivermectin protocols and results and published papers, and are interacting with people the world over about it via facebook and mewe ,have been the more significant source of information and guidance for me on this.

Ivermectin has undergone trials in Europe but they don’t advise general use of the drug outside of clinical trials.

Correct. But many many doctors the world over and several countries - a dozen maybe - are in fact using it in clinical practice for Covid and/or as part of the national covid treatment protocol and reporting success. And we as individuals do have the right and the ability to do whatever we think might save our lives. There are political reasons behind western countries refusing to approve ivermectin for covid, not medical reasons.

I’ve experienced that! I’ll talk to the doctors I know who think outside the box. It’s not something I’d consider unless I got COVID, hopefully that won’t happen and I have some immunity since vaccination.

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Ppiman in reply to PlanetaryKim

If ivermectin were a successful treatment for severe covid, and patients are being denied it, it would be a shocking thing since so very many people have died from the disease. From what I can read, however, ivermectin needs to reach a certain level in the lung tissues to have any kind of antiviral effect, and this hasn't been shown to be possible even with nebulisation.

Have you evidence that there is a political conspiracy that, effectively, has led to vast numbers of people dying unnecessarily? The figures in this country are appalling. It just seems so very unlikely to me, given what I know of the NHS and its doctors

Steve

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PlanetaryKim in reply to Ppiman

The numbers of Covid deaths are appalling and tragic. I don't think a conspiracy is required for medical systems in certain countries to decline to use ivermectin. I do think it's unfortunate that hospitals are refusing to give ivermectin even to patients on ventilators when their loved ones are begging for it, and then the patient after 2-3 weeks dies. In New York state, one lawyer has 3 times for 3 different families gone to court to get a court order forcing a hospital (different one each time) to give ivermectin to a vented patient. In each case the near-death vented patient recovers and goes home, pretty much fine.

Yes, I know that just sounds like 3 anecdotes. But if you have been following the ivermectin story for the last year, and the tremendous suppression of legitimate data and studies, you would realize that this is the normal patient response when ivermectin is administered - even in severe Covid.

But this refusal to administer ivermectin actually does not require an organized conspiracy among all doctors. It just requires a nation of doctors saying and believing exactly what you just said and believe - that you have read there is insufficient antiviral effect at realistic doses. Well they've all read that one flawed bogus study too that is endlessly trotted out by the highest level of health authority to dismiss ivermectin.

At some supreme level of authority in all this there has been a determination that the only way out of the pandemic is mass vaccination. Which is fine as an idea. However for that to become reality there literally must be NO effective, safe, early treatment for Covid, or the Emergency Use Authorizations for all the vaccines would be voided. But once again... is that conspiracy on the part of high level health authorities who will not let anything derail vaccine rollout? Or is that them being single-mindedly devoted to a single solution to pandemic when in fact there may be several?

And of course the massive billions in profits of the vaccine manufacturers themselves come into play in all this and would definitely be deflated if ivermectin were widely offered as an early treatment for Covid. Even if the EUA weren't voided, vaccine hesitancy would go up if there were other options, other ways to stay safe and get through this. So the companies themselves may be doing what they can to discredit ivermectin to protect their bottom line.

Plus the companies will be ready with their chequebooks when election time comes round! Macron in 2017 was talked of as the candidate beloved of Pharma.

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I understand where you’re coming from. You may well be right. It’s impossible to understand the machinations and reasons behind some decisions. For errors to be made worldwide or for NICE and the WHO to be corrupt or foolish seems unlikely in the extreme, but looking at our current “government” anything is possible.

There’s little doubt that vaccination will be the way out of this mess, not drug therapy. I’m not sure that that is why cheap therapies have been avoided but it might be. Certainly the evidence for some of the expensive new therapies is slim and leaves me wondering.

I’m intrigued that the much more practical seeing and cheaper Oxford vaccine is being sidelined for the impractical and costly Pfizer one but, again, to suggest global corruption? I just don’t know.

Steve

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Auriculaire in reply to Ppiman

Vaccination might be the way out but if there has to be constant tweaking of the vaccines to deal with new variants that might mean yearly jabs as are given for flu or even six monthly. That means a bonanza for the vaccine manufacturers . Pfiizer has already jacked up the price per dose. Are you really so naive that you cannot see that these companies will do whatever they can to guarantee this? Have you never read about the trials where they are fined billions for lying about their products with the consequent deaths of patients? It is the same companies that make the vaccines. I have no problem in believing that there is corruption at national government level and within the WHO. As far as here is concerned that has just been brought to light again with the Servier trial. The people who kept their mouths shut about Mediator were doctors and not just ordinary doctors but professors of cardiology in university teaching hospitals. The brave female pulnonologist who blew the whistle got no end of flack from her fellow doctors. Being in the medical profession does not necessarily give one higher ethical standards so why is it unlikely in the extreme that NICE or the WHO should be free of corruption?

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It seems to me that the only way society is able to deal with viruses like this one is by vaccination. Looking at the latest research, there is no reason to believe yet that an annual vaccination will be required, but if that proves to be the case, then that’s the way it will need to be.

Naïveté takes many forms and is surely a part of the human condition; I much prefer it to cynicism. Corruption is a part of life, too, sadly, but, in so far as profiteering is concerned, give me capitalism any day over communism, even if this does mean that the cost of medicines will always be set to profit someone.

To deal with profiteering, the law is there and the ballot box and although both are proving far less effective than I’d prefer, pragmatism trumps dogmatism every time in my book so I’ll put up with what we’ve got.

Steve

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Auriculaire in reply to Ppiman

There is something in between naïveté and cynicism. Realism. I do not think that letting people die from the drugs you make knowing that they are dangerous , so you can go on making a profit and paying out dividends is as innocent as mere profiteering. It is manslaughter. The only way to deal with this is not with fines as these are just accounted in as the cost of doing business but with long prison sentences for chief executives. The ballot box is useless when it comes to multinationals. As for annual vaccinations most people would accept that . I do not get flu jabs and would not like to have to get an annual covid jab. I would object strongly to being denied an effective prophylactic / treatment because it was likely to undermine vaccinalist policies. If Ivermectin works as a prophylactic and is safe then why is a vaccine that has to be tweaked each year better? Especially a vaccine technology that has never been used in humans before and has not completed its clinical trials yet. Perhaps you can give me an explanation.

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Ppiman in reply to Auriculaire

Where ivermectin and Vitamin D are used, in India for example, it seems that neither are helping to prevent a massive surge in the disease. I’m not sure, either, that ivermectin is safe long term as a prophylactic nor how such usage could work. I prefer a vaccine.

So far as I can see, we need to find a way to avoid this disease completely, if at all possible, perhaps especially to avoid the risk of “long covid” with its potential to leave sufferers with pulmonary fibrosis, cardiomyopathy and other life changing illnesses. A vaccine is our only real hope against this, as I see it.

One thing that seems to be the case is that it’s very difficult to run trials that prove effectiveness of covid treatments. The problem seems to be in recruiting suitable subjects for clinical trials as well as ethics. Thankfully, the vast majority of people get off either completely or very lightly with the disease, and for the relative few who don’t, the speed of their deterioration can be so rapid that only rapid emergency action can help.

Steve

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Auriculaire in reply to Ppiman

The Indian surge seems to be caused by very foolish large gatherings such as political rallies and religious festivals like the Kumbh Mela. The latter is particularly foolish as 25 million people have visited 4 million in the last week alone! I expect that if such large gatherings were held in the uk there would be a surge despite the vaccinations. People are in very close proximity and not wearing masks. Unfortunately the low case numbers earlier in the year led Indians to believe Covid was no longer a problem . A double mutant has not helped but then vaccination might be less effective with this. Given that some of the people who have developed long Covid had mild infections there is no guarantee that the current vaccines would prevent this as their aim was to prevent severe infection and death. It is still not certain that they prevent transmission. I am not against vaccination on principle. I just think that it is wrong to exclude other "weapons" against the virus and this is what is happening at the moment. Long term Ivermectin use in parts of the world that have a lot of parasites has been shown to be safe. Effective prompt treatment is also desirable as some people who are immune compromised cannot be vaccinated and it is thought that problematic mutations are more likely to arise in people who have the virus for a long time because their immune systems cannot shake it off.

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I’ve just been reading an FT story and a Twitter thread on the Indian situation. It seems like it might be truly dreadful in many places over there with vastly under-reported official figures.

Steve

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PlanetaryKim in reply to Ppiman

French drug developer MedinCell is working on long-acting injectable ivermectin for Covid protection. I have heard (but cannot now find) that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is funding this particular project. I don't know if that's true, but their Foundation has funded other MedinCell drug development projects.

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So on one hand we have various national health authorities (US, UK, Canada, most of EU) and WHO saying ivermectin not effective for covid prophylaxis and treatment... On the other hand we have large amount of money being being spent to develop an injectable (ie profitable) form of ivermectin for Covid prophylaxis, since the drug is now long off-patent and generic tablets from India just cost 30 cents each.

Slovakia is the one EU country so far to add Ivermectin to the country's Covid treatment strategy. But there are other countries and regions of countries elsewhere in world that have done likewise.

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If Bill Gates is involved, it’s with good reason. “Long acting injectable” sounds weird to me asa product but that is good news.

Your dislike of the profit motive isn’t shared by me as it seems to be what fuels innovation and risk. I truly wish it were otherwise but for reasons I can’t fully understand, altruism and even selfless university research seem to be on the wain.

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PlanetaryKim in reply to Ppiman

I'm not completely critical of the profit motive driving Big Pharma. My life has been saved and my health restored SEVERAL times in last 6 years by newly developed drugs that made literally billions in profit for their makers in first year of use. Two different new leukemeia drugs and one Hepatitis C drug. The prospect of such huge profit does indeed drive innovation, and none of those 3 drugs that have saved me would likely be on the landscape today if such profits were not possible. But obviously there is downside as well to have medical protocol and permissible knowledge/practice so closely linked to and driven by the financial interests of Big Pharma.

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Well said. And I’m sorry to hear you’ve been so poorly. Life must have been very difficult.

Steve

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PlanetaryKim in reply to Ppiman

Life is good. :) And a journey. I don't really view it with any negativity. Everything I am and possess today is a result of everything that has preceded it.

I read about this in Trial Site News. I was slow off the mark as I was puzzled as to why they would bother if the pills worked ! Also on TSN today is a report that the Philippines are starting a major Ivermectin trial.

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Here is a link to a analysis (a database really) of all 89 studies involving ivermectin for Covid: c19ivermectin.com/

It's a little hard to read, with the format the use. But if you click on any one study, a box comes up with the main points, and you could also click on link then for full article or PDF.

If you click on "Adoption" up at top, there is a map of world and discussion of each country that is using ivermectin for Covid.

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Thanks for the link. It’s possible the WHO and most world governments are corrupt in various ways, and this is one of them. I tend to doubt that if they were we would be able to prove it so apparently easily, however.

So, will we ever know? I doubt it. Looking at the UK’s “government” this past year, anything is possible - and yet they would be voted back in tomorrow, for sure. It’sa strange old world and all the stranger since the invention of the Internet and social media

Steve

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Auriculaire in reply to Ppiman

The doctors in the end have to do what Nice , MHRA and their hierarchy tell them. The " conspiracy" is at a world level with the WHO involved . They get enormous sum of money from Pharma .Andrew Hill was sponsored by them and an organisation called Unitaid ( headed by Marisol Touraine ex French health minister) to do a meta analysis. His DATA showed a 75 % reduction in death and serious disease with Ivermectin use . His conclusion - more trials needed. He admitted to another doctor he had been working with that that was not actually his conclusion but he was "influenced" by his sponsors. This is no more shocking than the refusal to correct serious vit D deficiency levels in the population or to use the Calcifediol protocol for those already sick. All three of these protocols are cheap as chips and would curb the profits Pharma will make from vaccines or new molecules ( rubbish like Remdesivir) for treatment. Ivermectin has a safety profile better than Paracetamol or Aspirin , it's discoverer got the Nobel prize but Merck who made it started to rubbish it. Why? Well they have a couple of new molecules for covid treatment in the pipeline that like Remdesivir would be given the green light even if their efficacy was a fraction of that of Ivermectin. But what really counts is that the new molecules would have patents and they could coin it bigtime. If you really think there is no corruption at work in all this explain why Gilead got 1 billion euros from the EU for the useless Remdesivir 3 DAYS before the large clinical trial reported showing that not only was it useless but also nephrotoxic for a number of patients? So these ridiculously expensive useless nephrotoxic drugs are being given to patients for a disease that has kidney failure as one of it's possibile sequelae and safe stuff like Ivermectin and Calcifediol are pooh poohed. Lives paramount? No- money is what counts.

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That is maybe because the sanitary authorities in Europe are in the pocket of Pharma. Well it certainly is the case here as shown by the recent court case against Servier for it's drug Mediator. Our equivalent of MHRA was fined the maximum possible for negligence ( of course the taxpayers will foot this bill) . Servier who are reckoned to have killed at least 500 people and possibly 2000 were fined 2.3 million ( a bagatelle considering they made over 500 million from the drug over the 30years or so it was on the market). A win for Servier and a massive loss for Public Health .The safety profile for Invermectin is far more positive than for Paracetamol. Given that the official advice for those who suspect or know they have covid is stay at home and take Paracetamol till you can't breathe , then call an ambulance - it would be far better to say take Ivermectin. Downside? That it works just fine and might throw a spanner into the ubiquitous vaccinalist policies and upset the future profits of those who contribute to election campaigns.

France Soir has had a lot of info on the campaign against Ivermectin. Read about Andrew Hill's positive meta analysis and his " -need more trials" conclusion that he admits was not his . Ie he was leaned on.

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I think you mean they don't asvise it for covid use. They do advise it for general use as its prescribed...which is for parasite ..and maybe we have some parasites we don't know about. ..could well be parasite is anothef underlying condition that's overlooked. Parasites are hard to detect unless they are flukes or something. And flatworms eggs are all over cats and dogs and birds...I mean the amount if gross things animals live with ...humans can get heart worms...anyone with afib ever asked if their dog had heart worms? Anyone ever tested for it. How many afibbers have dogs? How many treat the humans in the house when their dog has worms and get wormed. I've only done it once and it was horrific so I doubt people are deworming themselves regularly. I don't know what heart worms do but if nobody ever checks for them....we should probably all be taking ivermectin every few years if we've been near grass ir animals. Just like our cats and dogs do.

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Yes, I think the most likely explanation for my own Afib disappearing for now is that I dewormed myself inadvertently with this ivermectin prophylaxis for Covid protection. Whether it was worms or some other parasite I will never know. But it is all conjecture on my part. lol!

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A prerequisite for obtaining emergency approval for the Covid vaccines was that there should be no viable alternatives. For that reason, any possible treatments such as Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine had to be discredited - which was duly done. Now that the vaccines have been administered on a widespread scale, they are now talking about investigating medications such as anti-virals. They wouldn't do this earlier on for fear of finding something that was viable and losing emergency approval. Makes you wonder what we are not being told and why.

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100% right! That is it in a nutshell. Ivermectin and other effective early treatments could not be permitted to be true because by law, the vaccines could not be granted emergency use authorizations and come to market if there were viable treatments available.

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Ugh. And by law the who couldn't call a pandemic and use the funds to shut down flights until after it was everywhere ... Christ. these people are allowed to breed and drive cars and hold so much power and yet can't think on the most basic level. They're paid ..millions to come up with a plan and the plan is we can't call the fire brigade till every last stick of furniture is alight ... Ugh. Clowns to the left jokers to the right.

I know from personal experience with my rescue dogs how effective Ivermectin is at clearing their appalling skin conditions. I am so pleased to hear it has also helped you so much . I will be very interested to see were this goes

It is remarkable what all ivermectin can apparently do.

Interesting. Thanks for posting. I would be interested in your Functional Medicine’s Doctor’s rational in suggesting this treatment.

Were you aware of having parasites or was it suggested purely on a hoped for prophylaxis against COVID?

I just read some of the history of this drug and it seems as though it is being hailed as a ‘wonder drug’ for diverse reasons, not least it’s ability to kill off parasites. It was developed in the 1970’s for Vetinary use and used in humans since 1998.

Having been through a protocol for cleansing - HBOT - I experienced a Herx reaction which made feel very ill for about 2 days, had similar when I took antibiotics for UTI and taking concentrated Tanin to clear bad gut flora.

Did you experience any such reaction? Herx reaction is caused by cytokines and is not without risk. Cytokines will cause inflammation but if you can get through it, then the toxins are cleared from the body very rapidly - in my case I mean VERY rapidly. Not everyone gets this reaction but it is well known in Lyme disease and clearing gut pathogens which cause leaky gut.

Are you now taking any anti-inflammatories such as Resveratrol? I also found Astragalus very helpful post Herx reaction.

You may also be interested in this openheart.bmj.com/content/7...

Glad you have found relief. Will you continue taking this medication?

My functional medicine Dr. prescribed it at my request for Covid prophylaxis (and early treatment if it comes to that) because he agrees with the research assembled by Drs, Paul Marik and Pierre Kory of the Frontline Covid Critical Care Alliance.

As for a Herxheimer-like reaction, I did not experience anything major. However I did have side effects the first 3 dosings that I have not had since - light-headedness, headache, vision worse than usual, slight nausea. Now I have no side effects. So perhaps those early side effects were somehow result of parasite die-off. Or perhaps not. Perhaps my body just adjusted to it after the first three exposures.

Difficult to say isn’t it. Very interesting, learned a lot and thanks fir posting.

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When I dewormed myself with whatever the over the counter de wormer I shat the seven levels of hell through my bum.... For three days. I was like a spray cream can at a four years olds birthday party. I doubt I had worms but since the dog had horrendous worms I thought I'd have a go. Ivermectin sounds a lot less horrible.

Kim, As ever the effects of any drug has to be balanced with whatever else we are taking. On that basis what drugs/supplements are you taking alongside of it?

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PlanetaryKim in reply to john6

At the moment I am taking a (non-chemo) leukemia drug venetoclax (which I hold for 2 days each time I take the ivermectin, although doctors and pharmacists tell me that's not necessary). I also take small piece of zopiclone as a sleep aid each night. I am not taking any supplements regularly at the moment. Although to do the ivermectin prophylaxis protocol properly according to the FLCCC doctors whom I have much respect for, I should also be taking zinc, quercetin, Vit C, Viit D and melatonin daily. But most vitamins and supplements have problematic effects for me if I take them daily. So I am not doing any supplements daily.

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Thank you. It crossed my mind that there is always the chance that it is a combination of drugs that are doing a job and not always the actually drug (on its own). Anyway, long may it continue for you and please keep us up to speed on what is happening.

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Will do! Even just this 10-week respite from Afib has been lovely. Will see how long it lasts.

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Do you have leukemia or is that just something you asked for as well?

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I have chronic lymphocytic leukemia, which is now in very good remission thanks to the drugs. I continue with the one drug venetoclax (oral pill daily) for another 9 months, then will probably have a good drug-free remission for long time.

Wow, what a breakthrough for you Kim and all sounds very interesting. I love your weekend project btw - lovely colours. I hope that you continue to enjoy the absence of Afib - that very unwelcome visitor! Do you have to continue with the medication, even it has done its job, as it were?

Thank you on the walkway! I am certainly enjoying it. :)

The idea with the ivermectin prophylaxis for covid protection is to continue it every 2 weeks indefinitely or as long as covid is a concern so that ivermectin is always present in the cells. There is evdience (even acknowledged by ivermectin critics) that ivermectin does stop many viruses including SARSCoV2 from entering cells, thus halting viral replication. While ivermectin clears the blood in under 24 hours, it remains in cells and tissues for 12 days (more by some accounts). So by dosing once every 2 weeks, you keep a cellular level of it in place.

But I assume that as far as parasite die-off goes, that would be done now and the ivermectin could be stopped if that were the only goal. However in my case that was just an unexpected side benefit (if it did indeed happen - all conjecture so far).

I see it won the Nobel Prize in 2015 - quite an accolade.

Yes, Nobel Prize in 2015. And 3.7 billion doses have been administered to people worldwide over last 30 years (and at the same dosage as is being used here for covid prophylaxis and treatment). So it has a really well documented safety record.

Better than Paracetamol!

Yes! Definitely better/safer than Paracetamol!

Very interesting . Love your path. Too nice to walk on !

I am enjoying my flowered walkway!

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Interesting editorial published yesterday in Open Heart, a peer-reviewed medical open access journal of the British Cardiovascular Society:

Anti-inflammatory activity of ivermectin in late-stage COVID-19 may reflect activation of systemic glycine receptors openheart.bmj.com/content/8...

Article/editorial outlines a possible anti-inflammatory mechanism by which ivermectin has been observed to reduce cytokine storm and mortality in Covid. But also suggests at end that anti-viral effect may be part of the mechanism: "However, in light of accumulating evidence that ivermectin may have important utility for the primary prevention of COVID-19, it is likely that it also exerts an antiviral effect with respect to SARS-CoV-2, as suggested by in vitro studies."

Thanks for posting!

Thank you for the post, Kim. What parasites would someone normally have that are affected by Ivermectin ? Cheers.

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PlanetaryKim in reply to saulger

In canada where I am it is most commonly prescribed for head lice and scabies. However in other parts of world : river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.

I have read that it can kill any parasite that has a GABA component to its nervous system - ie, if the parasite produces the neurotransmitter GABA, then ivermecitn can kill. Humans and other mammals would be affected by this too except we have a blood brain barrier. Some breeds of dogs (collies are among them) have inadequate BBB, and can't have ivermectin. I think it is fatal for them.

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Thank you, Kim. Be careful as there are some cardiovascular risks, which I posted below. All the best and may your remission continue.

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Yes I saw that. I had read mention of that before. So when I took my first dose, I actually divided it into 4 doses across the day just to make sure I wasn't going to have a problem or any weird reaction. And if I become symptomatic with covid and need to increase to daily dosing, I will certainly be on high-alert for tachycardia. But I honestly think that is rare. I am in online groups with thousands of ivermectin users, and people are not reporting much in the way of side effects from their ivermectin usage apart from things due to parasite die-off in the beginning. I have not heard one person mention tachy or any other cardiac side effect (except my own case of afib disappearing. lol!).

Searched on The Internet, and found this:

Ivermectin

Mechanisms

Ivermectin causes an influx of Cl ions through the cell membrane that results in hyperpolarization of ion channels, leading to muscle paralysis [41]. It is approved for the treatment of head lice, scabies, strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis [42, 43]. Beyond its anti-parasite effects, ivermectin has also been identified as an inhibitor of interactions between the human HIV integrase protein and the importin α/β 1 heterodimer [44, 45]. Notably, studies on SARS-CoV proteins have revealed a potential role of importin α/β 1 during infection [45]. Nuclear transport of viral proteins is essential for the replication cycle and inhibition of the host’s antiviral response [45]. An in vitro study showed that a single ivermectin treatment reduced SARS-CoV-2 by 5000-fold at 48 h in cell culture [45]. However, there is a lack of clinical evidence.

Drug Interactions

Ivermectin should be considered an inducer of several cytochrome P450 isoenzymes, including CYP1A, 2B, and 3A subfamilies [46].

Cardiovascular Risks

Tachycardia, orthostatic hypotension, and PR interval prolongation have been documented in case reports [47, 48].

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A brilliant post and so positive, really do hope you have a far more extended period without an AF episode and look forward to your update.

I would like an extended period without Afib too! But even if that ends tomorrow, I will still consider this a great victory, because I have gone longer than ever before (3x longer). So it shows Afib can be reversed. It's not just a one-way decline into more and more AF. There clearly are some variables we can control to turn this around, if we know what they are.

This is so interesting Kim. Thank you for posting. I’d never actually heard of ivermectin before you shared this. Fingers crossed for you that the AF stays away so you can do more projects 😀

Thank you! :)

WOW,This is so interesting, thank you for sharing your knowledge on this . Look forward to an update. Hope you stay without Afib. Wouldn’t it be amazing if this could reverse Afib.

It would indeed be amazing! Of course, it's all just speculation on my part that the ivermectin is connected to afib stopping at last temporarily. It sure seems like it is connected. But it could be coincidence. Still, I suspect we are all harboring some parasite burden at any given time, which in turn will have a variety of adverse effects on our health. And ivermectin will kill many different parasites...

Very very interesting. I have Babesiosis, a tick borne parasitic disease of the red blood cells which messes with my synovial node. I have been told by one of my Lyme doctors that once I recover the AFib may resolve. I do know that a lot of people with Lyme disease are having great luck with Ivermectin as these diseases are very very difficult to treat. Good luck on keeping the AFib away. Yay!

Thank you! Yes, there are whole communities of Lyme people using ivermectin and claiming to get real benefit from it. I encounter them on facebook in some of the ivermectin groups I am in there. Good luck with your own case! Have you tried ivermectin?

No not yet but your story leads me closer to trying it. Thank you!

I use Ivermectin regularly - on my sheep to control worm burdens. Perhaps I should look a little deeper.

It is certainly known for that!

You mentioned that you had been reading “The Afib Cure.” I’m wondering if it could be due to your implementing some of the strategies in that book (assuming you have done so)?

I am not sure if I had put anything into practice from that book. Although I found the book fascinating and empowering, I am not sure it gave me any lifestyle optimization strategies that I was not already using or at least trying for past 16 months (the length of time I have been working on this). I can't think of anything specific.

It is true that that my low vitamin D levels have probably been increasing since March. But mainly from sun exposure. I do not supplement D3 daily because it has an agitating effect on me, even when I take just 1000iu. But still, any rise in my low Vitamin D could theoretically help reduce afib. So that's a possibility!

I’ve read the book and am now going to reread it, this time noting down all of the strategies recommended which I will try to implement systematically. It sounds quite demanding- for example walking 10,000 steps a day, eliminating sugar and processed foods completely and so on. Last year when I walked a lot and ate very well, I had episodes which were about 6 months apart, then 5 months - my average is an episode roughly every 2 months. So *perhaps* remission is achievable.

I hope your freedom from AF continues following the use of the ivermectin,

I will admit I don't have enough discipline to pull off some of those strategies. I don't think I get 10,000 steps a day in. And I don't eat anything with added sugar, but do certainly eat fruit and drink fruit juice.

I’m not sure I have enough discipline either but the potential prize is AF in remission, so I want to at least give it my best shot. When I speak to the EP next month I’m going to get his opinion on the claims and strategies in the book.

That's a good idea about asking your EP. I would be interested to know what he says. Is he open to discussion of lifestyle optimization? The 2 cardiologists I have consulted are unwilling to have any discussion on that topic. But they are not EPs.

I don’t know whether he will be open to discussion on lifestyle (I’m not even sure which one I will speak to in May). In the past I’ve found that the attitude of consultants varies considerably. Some seem to just see a generic patient with AF, whilst others may be more willing to look at individual circumstance and history. The purpose of the discussion in May is to determine whether it is reasonable to defer having an ablation for the time being or whether I should have one now. It’s a difficult decision because on the one hand I have AF roughly every 2-4 months and am relatively asymptomatic but on the other hand, earlier ablations before persistent or permanent AF sets in are more likely to succeed.

That is a difficult choice for sure!

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secondtry in reply to Samazeuilh

In your shoes, if I couldn't stop those episodes by lifestyle changes, trigger identification or a medium dose of bearable pills, it would be ablation.

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secondtry in reply to Samazeuilh

I don't aim for top recommendations when making lifestyle changes but just start on the road as a first step (no pun intended!). Nothing is then a chore and provided you don't need to rush, it is surprising the progress you make with out feeling it.

Thanks for the information Kim, very interesting. Here's hoping that your afib-free status continues for a long time.

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PlanetaryKim in reply to raymelb

Thank you! :)

Hope the afib remission continues. You are lucky to have found a doctor who will prescribe you the Ivermectin. I am making do for the moment with my high vit D level ( 72ng/mL on my last test 2 weeks ago), zinc and quercetin. Some people here are buying Ivermectin online from India. Dodgy and always the risk of confiscation as medicine importation laws here are draconian. Mixture of paternalism and Pharma corruption of the sanitary authorities .

I have ivermectin from 3 different sources because buying ivermectin with prescription from Canadian pharmacy is literally 100x more expensive than buying from India ($38 per dose vs $0.30 per dose), which I also have now. The 3rd method is horse paste from any farm supply store or equine store. A great many people are going that 3rd route (the horse paste), as am I at the moment.

This is very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

So refreshing that you have kept an open attitude about treatment! Most everyone I know is not interested in pursuing or hearing about alternate yet more vetted modes of prevention!

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PlanetaryKim in reply to RxMe

I think we each really have to be able to look after ourselves, and treat ourselves, when faced with something as novel and unprecedented as this pandemic. The understanding and knowledge about Covid and what is and isn't effective is evolving weekly for doctors as well as the public.

I have asked 2 of my doctors and one nurse to tell me exactly what would be done for me in hospital if I come in with severe Covid. They all gave me the same answer: steroids and ventilator, if needed. That's all. There is NOTHING further here in Canada they can or will do. Canada is not using monoclonal antibodies (despite having purchased a lot and having it sitting in warehouse while people die in ICUs). Nor will they even give me IVIG, which could provide some broad anti-viral benefit.

Worse than giving me nothing, they would not allow me to take the treatments I do believe could save my life if I brought them into the hospital with me.

So my only shot at survival is to be fully versed and equipped to self-treat at home, should I become symptomatic.

Other parts of my treatment protocol, if I need it, will include baby aspirin, nattokinase, famotidine (pepcid), zinc, quercetin, Vit C & D, and if needed hydroxychloroquine, doxycycline, and nebulized L-Glutahione. All sitting in my house. These things actually could save my life. And all of them would be denied me in a hospital.

Of course I will be very cautious about implementing any of that beyond the ivermectin, which would become a daily dose at that point if I am symptomatic.

And I will be self-monitoring closely with pulse-oximeter, stethoscope, BP cuff, thermometer. The pulse-oximeter is our most important tool. Everyone needs to have one at home to check O2 saturation if you become symptomatic with Covid.

I have spent months reading the Covid early treatment protocols put forth by various doctors around the world, and conversing with some of them online to work out the details. Because really, no one but me is going to save me if I get Covid.

Regarding ivermectin ending atrial fibrillation... I just came across the 2017 paper about a horse being cured of Afib with ivermectin and some other drugs. Afib in horse's case was due to parasitic infection Microfilariasis. Ivermectin was dosed at same level I am taking it: 200 micrograms per kg body weight

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Hi Kim, Thanks for your attention to this thread. I too, am taking Ivermectin prophylactically. I didn't want to hassle with consulting with a doctor because most of them know less about the medication than I do through internet research. I don't understand the physician's reluctance to use a medication that MIGHT help if it has been shown to be very safe through millions of doses being used in the past. It's not like if you have parasites the drug won't hurt you but if you don't, it will. I think the key to successful use is to give the medication at the first sign of disease before it turns into pneumonia and before the cytokine storm hits. . unfortunately, many studies only begin treatment once hospitalized, and by then it is kind of a different disease.

I ordered my Ivermectin (12mg) from one of those Canadian pharmacies that mostly sell Viagra and Cialis and don't require a prescription. They sell it as Stromectol which is generic but the packaging said Ivermectin. It was shipped from India with very professional packaging so it took 3 or 4 weeks to arrive.

I also have had no Afib since starting the medication, which is a relief. Stay healthy.

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