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Success with PSMA-lutamide

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Hi Everyone, I might get long winded in this, so the brief summary is: rechallenged with Pluvicto after a 4-year break while enhancing PSMA expression with darolutamide. PSA dropped from 44 to 3 after two treaments. I have lymph-node metastatic disease with neuroendocrine differentiation.

I was on the PT-112 trial NCT02266745 in fall of 2023, and progressed in December 2023. My docs wanted me to take a bit of a break, and I didn’t realize how much I needed it, I think the amount of platinum in me really fogged out my brain and it began to really clear in January/February though I have persistent shortness of breath that made my ski season a challenge (do I go get a beer or oxygen after skiing?)

My PSA skyrocketed to 45, where my highest ever had been just over 5, and though my doc was suggesting trying a PARP inhibitor, I wanted to do something with what I thought would be a higher chance of success. My PSMA PET showed that my lymph node SUVs were around the 30s, while back in 2019 they were over 100, making us conclude that I’d be a good candidate for a second round of Pluvicto but not to expect the stellar results that I got in 2019-2020. Back then, I commuted across the Atlantic from the US to Munich through the pandemic, an amazing experience flying internationally on almost empty wide-body jets.

Since I had read about enzalutamide enhancing PSMA expression, and since I had not had any additional hormonal treatment (other than ADT) since I stopped abiraterone in 2019, it made sense to give this a try at the same time. And that’s where the fun began.

I started on samples while the prescription paperwork went through. After two days on apalutamide, I went to the bathroom and there was a water balloon where my penis used to be! I took a couple of days off and took diuretics, then tried some enzalutamide samples. This time I had the same swelling PLUS cramping in my hands! Again, took a couple of days off, and then went on darolutamide. It was such a relief, as my head felt like I was in a fishbowl on the first two drugs, but I was clear on the darolutamide. But the edema crept back in, and I decided to continue, see a lymphedema therapist, and tough it out until I had done the two Pluvicto treatments. The month on these -lutamides alone dropped my PSA from 45 to 30, then the first Pluvicto treatment dropped it half to 15, the second dropped it down to 4. By this time, the lymphedema all through my groin had my scrotum consuming my penis, and I had to come up with different approaches to coaxing it out to pee. It was like I was walking around with a grapefruit in my pants (cue @j-o-h-n). My doc said, “I’ve never seen anything like this,” and after the second Pluvicto treatment I stopped the drug and the edema immediately started getting better.

Surprisingly my PSA continues to decline two months after the second treatment, and we’re just going to see where it goes on its own. I have been prepared to go back on darolutamide since it seems to help so much, but my doc also warned about overtreatment, that the more you pound on it, the more the cancer finds ways around it and the more virulent it becomes. So for now, I’m delighted to be feeling much better and getting my summer bike rides again.

As another member commented, I too saw my daughter’s high school graduation this spring, something I doubted I would see back when I was first diagnosed. I have been feeling light of spirit with this huge accomplishment done and seeing her off to college this fall.

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Justfor_

Good doc you have and I am referring to overtreatment. Average silly doc wants to throw the kitchen sink on everyone/everything. More isn't better. As much as needed to do the job, no more. Your post made my day, although it is evening here. Regards.

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TeleGuy in reply toJustfor_

I am a bit torn with the kitchen sink vs. mostly sequential therapies. I had minimal disease after my prostatectomy and one set of docs I interviewed wanted to throw the kitchen sink at it, basically triplet therapy before it was shown to work. Not sure where I would be if I had done that, but I think I'm living life well and definitely longer than I had planned!

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Scout4answers

Thanks for sharing, God speed on you journey

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TeleGuy in reply toScout4answers

Thanks, I hope it informs others! I enjoy reading your posts.

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street-air

that is interesting and smart. The first early small cohort study on just the amount of psma boost, was in march 2022

mdpi.com/2072-6694/14/7/1696

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TeleGuy in reply tostreet-air

Yes, I think I got a hint at that from some old papers and brought it up with my docs and they agreed with the approach.

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Rickmartin1948

Man you are a hero, a real warrior. Well done, you followed your body's advice, and there is always something to it. I had an edema like that but more like a melon after RP in 2018, and I can relate to how you felt. Your doctor is something, congrats!!

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TeleGuy in reply toRickmartin1948

I had that as well but it cleared up quickly. I have to wonder if all the various abuses to my lymphatic system just went over the top when I added the -lutamides. It's been getting better as long as I am off of them.

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Maxone73

Great!!!!

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tarhoosier

Great news.

When I saw the short title on the email list I thought this was about -glutamides like ozempic for weight loss.

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MateoBeach in reply totarhoosier

Those are glucagon-like peptide agonists GLP-1

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tarhoosier in reply toMateoBeach

Ozempic is semaglutide, thus my initial quick confusion.

These similar drugs have been found to have numerous advantages for treatment of conditions other than obesity. I will NOT be surprised if cancer become another one.

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TeleGuy in reply totarhoosier

Sorry for the confusion, I could have said PSMA + -Lutamides but people might have thought it was plus or minus. Or I could have titled it "my scrotum swallowed my penis" and gotten more reads ;-)

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MateoBeach

Really happy to see you got a nice response by persisting with your crafted plan TeleGuy. MateoBeach / Paul

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TeleGuy in reply toMateoBeach

Thanks, Mateo, nice to get responses from the familiar faces around here!

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j-o-h-n

It was like I was walking around with a grapefruit in my pants, Man are you lucky, cause next step would have been a watermelon, I use a banana myself..

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

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j-o-h-n

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

Bigger than a barrel of grapefruits
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TeleGuy in reply toj-o-h-n

Thank you, for a while I was worried I was headed in that direction!

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j-o-h-n in reply toTeleGuy

Worried? I think you meant "scared shitless"..........

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

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billyboy3

good story! After 26 years I am sorting out the few options we have in Canada as we are far behind in terms if treatments etc shameful hue our medical system has collapsed in Alberta

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