Creatine supplementation for longevity?

[No_stone_unturned]

In summary, there is growing body of evidence showing that creatine supplementation, particularly when combined with exercise, provides musculoskeletal and performance benefits in older adults.

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[Maxone73]

and there are concerns that it spreads bone metastasis if you already have them...

[Maxone73]

SARMs and creatine...which are basically the only two things that could help maintaining muscle mass while we have no testosterone

[mrscruffy in reply to Maxone73]

Combined with a proper workout program the above are effective in building muscle in a short amount of time. Been on them for years

[Maxone73 in reply to mrscruffy]

no problem...but we are a sample of one, even the smallest risk stops me till I have a definitive answer, your situation is anecdotal not statistical, but good for you!👍👍👍

[mrscruffy in reply to Maxone73]

Ya my MO approved of it so off to the races I go. I am also of the belief that I Don't need to "micromanage" my cancer, it will take me when it is ready and I accept that and no longer fear the beast. We are all different

[No_stone_unturned in reply to mrscruffy]

ditto

[dhccpa in reply to mrscruffy]

Yes, I think we all settle into a similar attitude over time, although our specific conditions, symptoms, regimens, and development of that attitude are different.

[No_stone_unturned in reply to Maxone73]

Respect.

[London441 in reply to Maxone73]

The only thing that can maintain muscle mass while we have no testosterone is weight bearing exercise. SARMs and creatine give a small assist to that, nothing more. Those products alone won’t make any difference.

[Maxone73 in reply to London441]

yes, obviously I meant together with exercise 👍 not even steroids work if you don't exercise

[London441 in reply to Maxone73]

Actually they do! But not as well of course.

[mrscruffy in reply to London441]

You should see my before and after measurements I am testament to the muscle building power of SARMS and 6 days a week lifting heavy in the gym. Body builders use it for a reason

[London441 in reply to mrscruffy]

I believe you! Fortunately I’ve recovered T and training alone is fine for me. Good to know though, should I have to return to ADT.

[jackwfrench in reply to mrscruffy]

Hi! I am 8 months into ADT and abi, arm and shoulder muscles stay painful all the time now - am trying to just use light-medium resistance bands until I feel good enough to go back to weights - any observations? Thx

[mrscruffy in reply to jackwfrench]

Maybe add supplements like Creatine and BCAA's. For muscle pain my trainer has me use KT Tape. It is the tape you see pro athletes use. Cheap and super effective, the theory behind it is interesting. Have used for years with videos available for proper tape placement. I too started light training with HIIT then went to weights to see better results. As with anything you put in your body check with you Oncologist first. Mine is super knowledgeable about all kinds of supplements including SARMS

[jackwfrench in reply to mrscruffy]

Thx - I use a scoop of EAA plant based protein on gym days and may try also adding HMB before hitting the creatine. I dont want it to get too complicated.

[treedown in reply to Maxone73]

I know one member on this forum who saw a increase of PSA on SARMS and a decrease when he stopped it. Also anecdotal but interesting. I'll stick with just execise myself for now.

[Maxone73 in reply to treedown]

I know him as well! And that's one of the reasons why I am avoiding creatine and SARMs till at least there will be some consistent studies.

[mrscruffy in reply to treedown]

My results were the opposite, brought down PSA when I started and gave me a year and a half when ADT failed. MO approves of SARMS because it was originally designed as cancer drug for PC. Everyone's body is different

[Scout4answers in reply to treedown]

If you are not referring to me, then their are two on this forum who had a PSA increase directly related to SARMS ( RAD 140) see my profile for details. I had talked with mrscruffy and a couple of other users prior to trying them, my experience was different but as you point out it is all anecdotal.

Scout

[treedown in reply to Scout4answers]

I was referring to another member so let's make it two.

[RoseDoc in reply to Maxone73]

what are SARMs?

[Maxone73 in reply to RoseDoc]

Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators, a chemical that targets specific parts of your body, much like a key fits into a specific lock. They are designed to mimic the effects of testosterone. A bit like steroids, but targeted, not systemic. They focus primarily on muscles and bones without affecting other parts of the body as much. They are popular among bodybuilders because way less harmful than steroids. But the fact that they are targeted also to bones in case you already have bone metastasis (like I do) could not be a great idea. But we will know more soon as there should be a trial focused on that

[Maxone73 in reply to RoseDoc]

There are already studies that confirm that creatine is of help with prostate cancer patients for their training routine to preserve muscle and has also some anti-cancer effect. My doubt is only about when bone metastasis are already present. As with many vitamins/minerals/supplements, their role changes and something that is preventive can become cancer promoting, according to the stage of the disease

[Mascouche]

On the days that I go to the gym, I take both a scoop of creatine and a scoop of a protein shake that contains HMB. The latter does not help younger men but it is supposed to help older men and I believe it has benefitted me in my training though I could not quantify by how much. While I was on ADT, it felt like my muscles would not ache as much and for as long after lifting weights.

[PELHA in reply to Mascouche]

This has been my experience with creatine also—less muscle soreness after weight lifting (I’m the wife).

[PELHA]

We also take a scoop of EAAs after workouts—essential amino acids. But had to look for a brand with no sugar substitutes.

[Mascouche in reply to PELHA]

I also tried BCAA but after a few days I realized it was kicking me out of ketosis so I gave up on that one.

[j-o-h-n]

Me, Chocolate chip ice cream (two scoops)....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

[fast_eddie in reply to j-o-h-n]

A balanced diet is important. 😎

[j-o-h-n in reply to fast_eddie]

I agree. One scoop on each weighing scale's pan, (and I'm a Zodiac Libra).

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n