A new study at Huntsman Cancer Institute is going to look at potential benefits of creatine for maintaining muscle mass in APC patients. Here's the link:
onclive.com/view/new-clinic...
Since they're using creatine in their test, maybe worth seeing if it's worth adding to one's own protocol?😺
I gave up the idea. Because, as usual with the bastard disease, once you are metastatic things change. And it looks like creatine can help metastasis once they are present. As at the same time it seems that it can help with non metastatic PCa.
Would it be wiser to wait for the study results before adding creatine?
If one is on ADT, or even worse ADT + Abiraterone et al, you lose muscle mass sans exercise at a fast rate. The APCa Hydra never sleeps. IMO waiting for a study that might yield results in a couple years but not exercising is dangerous. I've been exercising daily for about a year and muscle gains got better when I started taking creatine 2x/day, about 20 grams total.
Where did you gleen not exercising from my comment? The OP is discussing supplementing creatine based on this study. Cart before the horse IMO.
I did not read it as him gleening anything. In fact, I saw it as a useful side comment. This is how kind threads turn into shitshows.
IMO waiting for a study that might yield results in a couple years but not exercising is dangerous.
Hmmm..kind of supports my reply...No?
Thanks. You just proved my point.
Which was what again?
Again you proved my point. I’m out. You are welcome to keep trying.
You should never have been in. Correction...you didn't have a point.
Unless you wish to be the subject in your own study, wait for the study results and maybe a corroborating study, a follow up study, to back up the results of the first study. Be conservative with your choices. Some things once done, cannot be undone.
"They", didn't make old sayings for nuthin! "They"--you can't take back, "words that have been said"--Me. "or a cancer that has been --fed!" I just made that one up. If a cancer is existing indolently, why encourage it?
Be well!
Currumpaw
🤞Now I'm off to the gym.Be well.
I exercise quite a bit, and tried using creatine for a while. I may do it again in a bit, wort of a month-on-month-off kind of thing.
Creatine does not really build muscle, or improve endurance. It (supposedly) helps you recover more quickly when resting between sets, so that you can do and extra set or an extra rep. These extra sets and reps are where the gains are made.
But creatine also causes water retention in the muscles - this is not a bad thing unless, like me, you are totally focused on with gain and trying to lose weight. Then the issue of water build up seems to add a couple of pounds... And honestly, I am not convinced from my month long trial, that Creatine really helped me much. I've lost a lot of muscle to be sure, and gained a lot of extra me in my middle. But I have found that if I back off on the weights, and work on form that I make gains in strength. And I'm doing zumba and kickboxing for cardio, balance and coordination, and creatine did not seem to help me there at all. I need to walk more, but it's raining a lot where I am.
Long story short, for me creatine was more of a psychological lift than a real preformance lift.
Been using Creatine, BCCA's and Ostarine for a couple years. huge muscle gain and stable PSA
I don’t take it as there are studies out, that it can booster metastasis. I’m on ADT since two years with almost no side effects. I’m on a plant based diet with fresh fish twice a week and I exercise daily (jogging, weight lifting, gymnastics). By doing so, I could re-build and maintain my muscles.
No harm.. try it. Doseage ?? Proof of no harm??
Confused on this - I read something the other day about with zero test a person cannot build muscle. But, women dont have test right? they can build muscle.
Testosterone is not the only muscle involved., there is GH as well as others I reached 20” biceps as natural bodybuilder without taking creatine and relying only on diet proteins. The first two factors in muscle development are always how hard you workout and if you rest properly, then comes diet. 👍👍👍
Woman do have T, just much lower levels of T which is why they don't build muscle like men.The levels of T obtained on ADT meds is much lower than even women.
Just posted here below 3 different researches that seem to say the opposite. Of course you won’t become a weight lifter on ADT but igf 1 and GH hormones are still there.
Your articles don't mention T. They are focused on resistance training while on ADT to maintain muscle strength and muscle mass. I don't see a conflict with my statement regarding women and T.
You are right, my point was that even without T you can build muscle. My bad!
No a problem. I would say this, and it's just my experience, those of us who started lifting weights when we were in our early teens and continued through life have an easier time exercising while on ADT than those who haven't. There is a certain mental toughness that needs to be developed when lifting. It is my experience that older men who didn't develop that in their teens struggle in their 60s, 70s etc. Again, no studies supporting this just all observational.
Agreed. I was all no pain no gain and always lifting heavy. Nowadays my joints hate me (rightfully) and I would not recommend that. But still even if you use high volume, push to failure, always. I think it’s a sort of self discipline (or masochism!) that increases your tolerance to pain and fatigue. Then of course if you have done it for a good part of your life it means you like it (hopefully!) and that also makes it easier 😃😃
I see you are in Italy. I was over there in late September hiking in the Dolomites. AV1. Lago di Brais to Refugio Passo Stanlauza.
Not too far, I am close to Lake Garda!
You ever hike up to Nuvolau?
My hiking areas were/are monte Baldo, Monti lessini, valpolicella (and the related wines)
Of course no trip to Italy can go without a stop in Venice
Now, Venice is a bit more than one hour from home (Verona)
so are we saying with some of the staples (lots of protien and surplus of calories) we should be able to build muscle even though we have zero testosterone?
Build I would not say so unless you started to workout now. I come from 32 years of workouts with 5-6 years pause in between and I am surely even if slowly losing
Creatine rhymes with Ice Cream.....there you go...... Chocolate chip ice cream (two scoops)........
No No Coco it's choco not coco...........
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
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