Milk and causing prostate cancer

[lewicki]

Some time ago there used to be an ad that said" got milk get prostate cancer ".

Then the ads stopped.

Is there anything about this now?

Perhaps the dairy association had it stopped and there really a concern .

[Magnus1964]

I don't think there is any conextion between dairy and Pca. My objection is the hormones which get into the milk and cheese by way of feeding them to cows and for that matter all domestic animals. That is why I only eat fish and drink almond milk.

[gsun in reply to Magnus1964]

Hormones are not allowed in dairy cattle in Canada.

[lewicki in reply to gsun]

Are they allowed in the US?

[gsun in reply to lewicki]

yes

[Verde2 in reply to gsun]

Men's bodies produce about 6,000 times more estrogen than you wouldget in a glass of whole milk. Women's bodies produce about 28,000 times more.

[gsun in reply to Verde2]

I gues that makes it ok then.

[JRPnSD in reply to gsun]

Varies by state. Best to read your milk container.

[Magnus1964 in reply to lewicki]

Yes, big time, to make the animals grow bigger fatter, faster. It's the money.

[Verde2 in reply to gsun]

If you are referring to rbst, over 80% of dairy farmers in the US sign contracts that they do not use rbst. If you are referring to rumensin, it's all in how you identify a "hormone."

[lewicki in reply to Magnus1964]

I think you are on the correct track.

[Verde2 in reply to Magnus1964]

All food and feed have hormones. Fish and almond juice, too. Those little almonds are really hard to get the milkers on, so they are squeezed differently.

[lewicki in reply to Magnus1964]

I never thought of a fish only diet. Interesting. Are there any types of fish for instance caned fish that you avoid?

Thanks

[Magnus1964 in reply to lewicki]

I eat salmon, cod, flounder, any white fish, accept tilapia. I occasionally have shrimp.

[lewicki in reply to Magnus1964]

Thanks. No canned tuna salmon or sardines? I have been eating sardines in EVOO.

I think that is a great diet. Never thought of it. It would avoid all the added junk in the food chain.

[Magnus1964 in reply to lewicki]

O ya sardines, love 'em. Also canned tuna, no a lot.

[garyjp9 in reply to Magnus1964]

Hi Magnus, why no tilapia?

[Magnus1964 in reply to garyjp9]

Tilapia feed on human waste.

[garyjp9 in reply to Magnus1964]

Okayyyy---crossing Tilapia off my menu. Thanks.

[MrG68 in reply to lewicki]

A small fish is dinner for a bigger fish. When a fish is eaten, poisons like mercury are now accumulated within the bigger fish. So as you progress up the food chain, the bigger the fish the more potential poisons it has.

So, its probably prudent to eat small fish and keep away from the larger species like tuna.

[Muffin2019]

I get the grass fed, no hormones or additives to beef when I buy it occasionally.

[lewicki in reply to Muffin2019]

Good idea. I think costco sells organic . About double in price but worth it.

[Magnus1964 in reply to lewicki]

Be careful about labels. Organic range free cage free are not fixed definitions.

Have you ever seen an inorganic chicken? Although, lab grown meats might qualify.

[lewicki in reply to Magnus1964]

Yea lab grown meats. Missing something such as shooting a dear and eating its meat. More nutritional?

[spencoid2]

dairy in the US is toxic. we only eat cheese made of non cow milk or from europe. or milk products (rarely) from local farmers whom we trust. and commercial animal products are just as bad.

[MrG68 in reply to spencoid2]

In general, yes thats correct. Depending on what state you're in, you can go to the farm and buy raw dairy. Some states you can also order online and get it delivered.

Personally I would only really consider A2 raw milk from Jersey cows.

You could also consider goats milk, although I don't like the taste.

[Anthonyve]

What never gets mentioned is that in modern dairies, cows are impregnated as soon as possible after giving birth.

That means that milk drinkers are consuming milk that is infused with hormones released in pregnant cows.

And the effects of that are unknown, but it’s a risk I won’t take.

Here’s a link to a data driven explanation of the link between dairy sourced calcium, plant sourced calcium and prostate cancer.

IMO, it’s essential watching.

nutritionfacts.org/video/fr...

[Verde2 in reply to Anthonyve]

Cows are usually bred back 60 to 90 days after calving if their uterus is healthy and their ovaries are working. Waiting longer has no health benefits to the cow, calf, or humans. It is an established fact that dairy products are very protective of our intestines, with significantly lower rates of colon cancer.

[Anthonyve in reply to Verde2]

true, but as the studies outlined in the video clearly show, it’s the calcium that makes the difference.

For a person with prostate cancer, it’s far safer to get the calcium from green leafy vegetables which provides the protection against colorectal cancer without the large increase in mortality risk from the prostate cancer that comes from dairy.

[lcfcpolo in reply to Anthonyve]

Sobering watch that. Thanks for posting.

[Benkaymel]

I don't know if there's a link between dairy milk and PCa but I've been drinking almond milk and organic meat and veg wherever possible for many years for general health reasons and still I got PCa. Of course there are many other potential causes.

[lcfcpolo in reply to Benkaymel]

Interesting. How old were you when you stopped drinking milk? Did you stop yogurt as well?

[Benkaymel in reply to lcfcpolo]

TBH I can't remember when but it's been several years. I do eat Benecol yoghurt for my cholesterol but when diagnosed switched to the plant based version.

[lewicki in reply to Benkaymel]

Did not know of a plant based yogurt.

[lcfcpolo in reply to Benkaymel]

Thank you for replying. I've come off dairy. No idea if it is doing anything but I do not miss it, so no big issue. I had been eating plenty of Greek yogurt before diagnosis. To be honest also some Benecol, but that really is good for your health from what I understand. Good luck mate. UK here as well on Prostap (Lupron) and Xtandi.

[EdBar]

I used to avoid a lot of foods but not anymore, I still eat a healthy diet but I don’t have the restrictions I used to. I don’t think it makes any difference as far as prostate cancer goes. I asked Dr. Sartor during a recent visit if there was any foods to avoid, he said “No”.

Ed

[NecessarilySo]

There was this study in 2021 in Japan which found that milk consumption increased risk of PC, (among Japanese men)..

researchgate.net/publicatio...

[London441]

Obviously most of us live where the quality of available dairy products varies widely. I enjoy milk for various reasons but I shop it carefully.

Certainly there are vastly more important health considerations than dairy/vs no dairy, so I keep my focus on them.

[tsim]

You think dairy is a problem, watch this:

youtube.com/shorts/F6qsMJc7F0o

I've been talking about it for years, when I was first diagnosed, My T was at 335. I told the GP oh, slightly low out of range. He said no, that's been lowered from 350 to 300

[JRPnSD in reply to tsim]

All I see in this is anecdotal information. It would have some credibility if it at least cited some studies.

[tsim in reply to JRPnSD]

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niehs.nih.gov/health/topics...

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epa.gov/chemical-research/r...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK5...

britannica.com/science/endo...

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[lewicki in reply to JRPnSD]

EEK. WE do not have a chance. Astounding long list. Thanks

[chefjlu]

It is an interesting topic and one I have followed as well as been involved with directly since diagnosis. I changed my intake of milk before diagnosis along with a health reset. After diagnosis I altered my overall dairy intake after discussions I was involved in. The evidence is less than certain and singular foods are very difficult to point fingers at. Here are a couple of articles related and coincide with discussion groups I've been in. theconversation.com/does-ea... (this is from Australia). drweil.com/health-wellness/...

[j-o-h-n]

Shoot I've been eating Greek yogurt since I was 5 years old and now everything seems Greek to me.......

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 07/05/2023 3:14 PM DST

[lewicki in reply to j-o-h-n]

Yasou!

[j-o-h-n in reply to lewicki]

Yiasou? Sorry, that's Greek to me...........

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 07/05/2023 5:19 PM DST

[Verde2]

The calcium in milk, along with Vit D3, is far more digestible than most other sources, and provides very strong bones. When I had both hips replaced 24 years ago, surgeon said it is far preferable to have hard bones that wear out joints than soft bones. Many women who didn't consume dairy products before 15 years old will almost certainly have osteoporosis and scoliosis in later years.

[swwags in reply to Verde2]

site your source please or is it just something the surgeon told you? Humans are the only animals on the planet that drink milk after being weaned, unless you count the occasional cat. And even more disgusting, we drink milk from another animal species. Just weird to me is all, and much of the rest of the world.

[MrG68 in reply to swwags]

Well, Mr T used to promote milk quite a lot. I'm not sure it qualifies as a reference, but I'm not considering arguing with him. 😆😆

That being said, from what I've read, the majority of people of the world don't have the enzyme to digest the milk. But if you have it, I personally can't see any reason not to take advantage of an evolutionary advantage. I know its a personal preference, but I don't have an issue drinking another species milk. You could probably equally argue that honey is regurgitated bee vomit.

I think the issues are really the quality of what you're ingesting.

If you don't take that into consideration, my prediction??

Paaaiiiinnnnn. (see what I did there?)

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