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62 months of Lupron, Zytiga and prednisone is starting to take its toll on my energy. I still do an hour of QiGong, biking and hiking most days but getting harder to motivate myself through the ever increasing exhaustion.

That said, anyone finding an energy boost from medical cannabis?

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Boywonder56 profile image
Boywonder56

Cannabis ..maybe sativa strain....but if you can get low dose ritalin...

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3putt in reply to Boywonder56

Thanks. Got my Ohio medical card yesterday and was researching that strain. Was actually going to the dispensary but talked myself into buying another motorcycle instead. Sometimes the sheer exhilaration of riding through the Cuyahoga National Park serves as a pick me up. Butt, as you mention in your bio my friend, the lupron monster extracts it’s due…

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Boywonder56 in reply to 3putt

Well ...no more so than golf....i have been avid golfer for all my life but apc...has made me want to join the womens league so i can play from their t's....cant help but laugh at your moniker...we call the 3put the snake..and whoevet gets the first...and last in our group pays the others...if you can find the tangie strain...it is a fine buzz..be safe on yor scooter...bw

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3putt in reply to Boywonder56

ain’t that the truth! Looking forward to our annual visit to Pinehurst next month. Short game is still solid but I driver / 3 wood distance is a thing of the past. Went so far as to buy a Teton Driver thinking a straight 200 yarder is better than a 225 “where’d that one go?” Took it to driving range last week and it’s about as worthless as my genitalia.

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Boywonder56 in reply to 3putt

I second that ..🤣

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tayninhtom in reply to 3putt

I had the same problem. I bought the new stealth driver. I added 30 yards. I was so pleased I went out and bought the stealth 3/4 wood, It did make a major difference

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3putt in reply to tayninhtom

I will definitely check that out! Curious, what model and where did you purchase? Thanks in advance!

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tayninhtom in reply to 3putt

speeder 45 flex.R

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3putt in reply to tayninhtom

👍

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gsun in reply to 3putt

Nothing picks you up more than opening the baby up on some sweeping curves and straights!

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fireandice123

I take American ginseng to help my energy level. It seems to have helped. I’m not feeling uber energized but definitely better than I was prior to starting the ginseng.

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bglendi53 in reply to fireandice123

I tried that for a month, didn't notice any difference so I quit.

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3putt

Thanks, most appreciated.

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PSAed in reply to 3putt

Caution!

"Safety considerations: Not recommended during pregnancy or breastfeeding or for people with hormone-sensitive cancers; may affect blood sugar, cause insomnia.2"

verywellhealth.com/american...

London441 profile image
London441

Do you lift?

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3putt in reply to London441

off and on. My least favorite activity aside from spreading mulch

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London441 in reply to 3putt

it’s the best thing for the fatigue by far, but you probably know that. Not lifting on Lupron is insane to me, but I certainly understand. Great luck to you!

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maley2711

wait til you're 75...I see you're still a youngster!!! Don't see many at 75 with the energy you still have!

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3putt in reply to maley2711

👍

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EdBar

Low dose Ritalin works great, also helps concentration and helps alleviate brain fog from ADT.

Ed

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3putt in reply to EdBar

worth looking into, thanks!

Yank66 profile image
Yank66

I second the Ritalin recommendation. MO prescribes it

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badmamazoo11 in reply to Yank66

I third it...5mg 1X or 2X per day does wonders. Do have to watch blood pressure, especially if on prednisone.

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SteveTheJ

No; I find the best use of cannabis is appetite stimulation. Of course everyone is different. Talk to your doctors about Provigil, a medication that can provide more energy and focus to offset issues caused by ADT. Good luck.

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3putt in reply to SteveTheJ

Gotcha. Last thing I need at this stage is appetite stimulation. Here I thought I had the only stage 4 cancer that made folks fat. I’ve stayed pretty much the same weight as when I was first diagnosed but the prednisone has sure moved the weight in different directions. That’s why I thought i might use a stimulant to do a little more in the way of activity. Thanks again for your advice!

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SteveTheJ in reply to 3putt

Like I said, everyone is different. My appetite is pretty good most of the time but sometimes, esp. at night, I either don't get hungry or I feel full after a few bites. I got in the TX legal cannabis program and some THC tincture an hour or so before dinner does the trick.

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Boywonder56 in reply to 3putt

Yeah 7 mos into this death sentence i morphed into homer simpson......duhhh

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Newnorm22

My sister in law works third shift and takes a 900 mg “Guarana Energizer.” Similar caffeine dose as traditional No Doz but with some additional herbs added in. She and her fellow nurses take it. There seems to be a minimal slump effect after it wears off. Have been experimenting with it for a few months and found its benefits for me were being wider awake and lucid as well as helping me sail above the fatigue threshold. Some slight energy boost with an overdrive effect where I can see through the day’s projects suavely without jitters. No apparent crash after it wears off. I take one pill a day occasionally and that does the trick for me on all the above accounts. Bought on Amazon. I did run it by my oncologist on the front end, He indicated there were no apparent adverse drug interactions and to post him on the results as it could benefit other of his patients.

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dhccpa

No, just the opposite. I use medical cannabis at bedtime (Indica) and it makes me sluggish the next day.

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Cyclingrealtor in reply to dhccpa

Have you tried 1/2 dose of the edible?

I take a 1/2 an indica gummy 0 - 4x a week. It really depends upon my monkey-mind getting fired up and not letting me have a full night of sleep. I try to not overload my body with more than it needs.

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dhccpa in reply to Cyclingrealtor

Yes if I cut back it's better the next day.

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GumpaD28 in reply to dhccpa

My family doc prescribed Trazadone for sleep 50mg but only do half and I'll take right before I lay down. I'll sleep solid for 5 or 6hrs and no freaky dreams. No morning hang over either.

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Bruce66

Throwing in my two cents here - my sister convinced me to try Zipfizz a couple of months ago (tons of B vitamins apparently). Made a noticeable difference for me. Don't know if it's just a placebo effect, but don't care, either. Whatever works.

And I'm solidly back into Keto - not necessarily because I wanted to, but it's the only thing that gives me a lot of energy. Between those two things, I'm functioning again.

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Scout4answers

Sativa -- I have used it in the past for energy, when I have had a project that I need to get done. Also enhances sexual contact - feelings.

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DLWEDC

I have been on the same regimen for 50 months and just recently found something that really reduced my fatigue. I eat breakfast first thing in the morning and take 5mg of prednisone. 2 hours later (I set an alarm) I take 750 mg of abiraterone acetate (3 tablets). Sometimes it goes 2.5 to 3 hours, but never more than that. I then set another alarm to be sure I eat lunch an hour after that and take my other 5mg of prednisone. As long as I eat and take my second prednisone an hour later, it really cuts down on my fatigue and sets me up for the rest of the day. The longer I wait to eat and take that 2nd prednisone, the less effective this routine is. You may have already tried this, but it really works for me as I notice a significant difference in my energy level.

Hope this helps.

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max00

Try MCT oil with your favorite caffeinated beverage. Check with your PCP and other doctors first. My PCP ok'd it for me, MO said to try it. It might raise your BP and/or LDL. I started with I tsp, then gradually moved up to 1 Tbsp in the morning. For me, it seems to extend the boost from caffeine all day and doesn't make me jittery, doesn't raise my BP

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cesces

There is a risk that because prostate cancer cells have extra cannabinoid receptors, that cannabinoids actually promote the growth of those cells.

Dr. Myers observed such a pattern among those of his patients who vociferous self medicated with cannabis. They seemed to disproportionately have the most aggressive prostate cancer.

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Cyclingrealtor in reply to cesces

Cesces, I'd love to read that study or report. Can you post more info on it? I may want to change my usage and find other ways to get to sleep.

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cesces in reply to Cyclingrealtor

He had a few thousand PC patients.

It was a clinical observation he made to me.

It's really not possible to do a legal controlled study in the US.

It was just an observation that those patients who most vociferously bragged about self medicating with cannabis, seemed to be suffering from the most aggressive prostate cancer.

Given the high cannabinoid receptor levels in prostate cancer cells it's logical that cannabis should either suppress or increase their growth.

His clinical assessment was the later.

Boywonder56 profile image
Boywonder56

Well if gonna go to hell in a bucket at least im going to enjoy the ride......gd...bw

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900312611

My $0.02...look into OTC supplement: Tyrosine, 750 mg, in the morning on an empty stomach...

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GumpaD28

I use the Tencture Nira extra strength in the morning. .25ml gives me energy and helps with some pain but if I set I want to doze. Only downside I found was not my appetite im always eating from the Prednisone but it was when working when I went for a tool I'd forget what I was looking for..lol..but not a bad thing.

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