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Supplements or vitamins that work against Zytiga

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Are there any supplements, medications or vitamins that work against Zytiga? Or remove Zytiga from the body making it ineffective?

My dad was prescribed Zytiga and has been taking it for 2 months; however, it did nothing to bring down his psa. It saddened us that an effective medication like Zytiga didn't work on him.

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Poowater

unlikely that supplements are involved.

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Thank you.

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Tall_Allen

It usually is not very effective after Xtandi.

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Thank you. He has not taken Xtandi yet. He was prescribed with Zytiga, and it was disheartening to learn it was ineffective. Will moving to Xtandi work?

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Tall_Allen in reply to

If it works, it probably won't work for long. I suspect a better next step is the combination of Xtandi+docetaxel, as in this trial:

prostatecancer.news/2022/10...

in reply toTall_Allen

Thank you. i will try to understand this.

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john4803 in reply toTall_Allen

Allen, is Zytiga effective after Erleada? It has failed me & I am trying to qualify for the Eclipse trial & if I draw the "short straw", I will begin on Zytiga.

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Tall_Allen in reply tojohn4803

It is usually effective for a short time. The nice thing about that trial is that upon failure in the control group (with either abiraterone or enzalutamide), you would get treated with 177Lu-PSMA-i&T anyway, so there is nothing to lose and everything to gain.

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john4803 in reply toTall_Allen

Exactly, Allen! It will be great if the trial convinces the FDA to let PCa patients bypass Chemo!

This trial is being done at St. Louis University Medical School, which is a "Radiopharmaceutical Therapy Center of Excellence"! A relative new hospital, they claim to be one of the few centers, in the US, with digital scanning equipment. Thanks!

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Cactus297 in reply tojohn4803

When and how will we know the results of the trial? Thank you.

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john4803 in reply toCactus297

That's a good question. I think it is being done at 16 centers & is a 5 yr. commitment but I'm sure they won't wait that long for results. It started early last yr.

There is the similar trial, "Splash" which has been going on longer, I think?

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Cactus297 in reply tojohn4803

Thank you.

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ellie2211

Not everything will work for everyone. I understand the frustration, we had a similar experience with xtandi when my dad took it. It is very disheartening.

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Yes,indeed. i hope your dad found the best treatment plan. What did he take when Xtandi didn't work?

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ellie2211 in reply to

He had chemo. after, Combo treatment with carbo+cabazitaxel.

Thank you for you as well.

I hope the change of course brings a good treatment along.

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Ollie1948

Zytiga was not effective with me. I am lucky as I am now on a Lu177 clinical trial.

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john4803 in reply toOllie1948

Is this the Eclipse trial?

Scratch that, I see you are in the Splash Trial. I screened for the Eclipse Trial yesterday and hope to hear something next week.

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john4803 in reply tojohn4803

I have since qualified for this trial & here is a post I started on it:

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

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Calhoun113

it’s been working for me. Undetectable for 2 years. Keeping my fingers crossed. Everyone is so different. Luckily there are many options. Good luck!

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exeinoo

Casodex might work. It doesn't share all of the resistance mechanisms that zytiga and Xtandi have.

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What do you mean?

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exeinoo in reply to

Casodex might work even if zytiga and xtandi have failed.

If zytiga ever worked:

Switching from prednisone to dexamethasone might extend.

Some men actually respond to zytiga withdrawal.

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john4803 in reply toexeinoo

My MO calls Apalutamide (Erleada), Casodex 2.0! You might look at it but it failed me after just 6 months!

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exeinoo in reply tojohn4803

Apalutamide is a 2nd generation AR drug. It blocks DHT and also blocks signaling. Casodex is 1st gen and only blocks the ARs. Not nearly as strong.I like that saying. Or as I say it, apalutamide is Casodex on steroids.

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john4803 in reply toexeinoo

I thought it was pretty novel, but unfortunately it only worked 6 months for me!

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exeinoo in reply tojohn4803

Did you progress on Xtandi or ADT or another ADT type drug before doing apalutamide?

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john4803

I had RP & SBRT in 2017 & 2018 & went on Lupron for 2.5 yrs. Then went off Lupron & 1.5 yrs. later PSA went from <0.1 to 0.4. Found 1 met. on T-11 & had Cyberknifed. Then in 2022 PSA jumped to 7.3 & went on Apalutamide, Lupron & Xgeva. Failed this after 6 months.

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Cactus297 in reply tojohn4803

WOW! That’s a lot to go through.What are you taking now?

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john4803 in reply toCactus297

I am still on Lupron, only. I have since qualified for this trial & here is a post I started on it:

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

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