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Re: Safety of Zytiga & Xtandi

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Many will have seen the piece by Mary Clare Fischer in the Malecare newsletter [1]; below is the link to the published paper [2].

"Men with advanced prostate cancer and their use of abiraterone or enzalutamide were identified in a 20% sample of the 2010-2017 national Medicare claims.

"The primary composite outcome was the occurrence of a major metabolic or cardiovascular adverse event, defined as an emergency room visit or hospitalization associated with a primary diagnosis of diabetes, hypertension, or cardiovascular disease.

"The secondary composite outcome was the occurrence of a minor metabolic or cardiovascular adverse event, defined as an outpatient visit associated with a primary diagnosis of the aforementioned conditions."

"Compared with men not receiving abiraterone, men receiving abiraterone were at increased risk of both a major composite adverse event (hazard ratio [HR] = 1.77 ...) and a minor composite adverse event (HR = 1.24 ...).

"Compared with men not receiving enzalutamide, men receiving enzalutamide were at an increased risk of a major composite adverse event (HR = 1.22 ///) but not a minor composite adverse event (HR = 1.04 ...)"

This is in addition to any risk posed by classic ADT.

Interesting that the add-on risk for Enza is substantially less than for Abi.

The study reflects "real world" rather than risks reported for clinical trial cohorts.

Many men in our age group have other chronic medical conditions, but PCa itself is associated with metabolic issues. These must be considered before starting either drug IMO.

-Patrick

[1] labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-...

[2] academic.oup.com/jnci/advan...?

Risk of Metabolic and Cardiovascular Adverse Events With Abiraterone or Enzalutamide Among Men With Advanced Prostate Cancer

Lillian Y Lai, MD, MS, Mary K Oerline, MS, Megan E V Caram, MD, MS, Phoebe A Tsao, MD, Samuel R Kaufman, MA, Brent K Hollenbeck, MD, MS, Vahakn B Shahinian, MD, MS

JNCI: Journal of the National Cancer Institute, djac081, doi.org/10.1093/jnci/djac081

Published: 13 April 2022 Article history

Abstract

Background

Abiraterone and enzalutamide are the most common oral agents for the treatment of men with advanced prostate cancer. To understand their safety profiles in real-world settings, we examined the association between the use of abiraterone or enzalutamide and the risk of metabolic or cardiovascular adverse events while on treatment.

Methods

Men with advanced prostate cancer and their use of abiraterone or enzalutamide were identified in a 20% sample of the 2010-2017 national Medicare claims. The primary composite outcome was the occurrence of a major metabolic or cardiovascular adverse event, defined as an emergency room visit or hospitalization associated with a primary diagnosis of diabetes, hypertension, or cardiovascular disease. The secondary composite outcome was the occurrence of a minor metabolic or cardiovascular adverse event, defined as an outpatient visit associated with a primary diagnosis of the aforementioned conditions. Risks were assessed separately for abiraterone and enzalutamide using Cox regression. All statistical tests were 2-sided.

Results

Compared with men not receiving abiraterone, men receiving abiraterone were at increased risk of both a major composite adverse event (hazard ratio [HR] = 1.77, 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.53 to 2.05; P < .001) and a minor composite adverse event (HR = 1.24, 95% CI = 1.05 to 1.47; P = .01). Compared with men not receiving enzalutamide, men receiving enzalutamide were at an increased risk of a major composite adverse event (HR = 1.22, 95% CI = 1.01 to 1.48; P = .04) but not a minor composite adverse event (HR = 1.04, 95% CI = 0.83 to 1.30; P = .75).

Conclusion

Careful monitoring and management of men on abiraterone or enzalutamide through team-based approaches are critical.

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cigafred

I had been thinking enzalutamide was the more efficatious but with worse side effect. For me, this puts a hand onto the side of the scale favoring enzalutamide. Thanks.

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cesanon

So are there any situations or considerations that would cause you to choose Abiraterone over Enzalutamide?

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dhccpa in reply to cesanon

Much cheaper unless your insurance fully covers enza.

Exercise and eat right. I was looking into soy this morning to see how much it reduced T. To my surprise, I found very little support for the T reduction and a lot of info on metabolic syndrome. And some on PCa progression.

1. Effect of Soy in Men With Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus and Subclinical Hypogonadism: A Randomized Controlled Study | The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism | Oxford Academic

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

2. Effects of soy consumption on metabolic parameters in patients with metabolic syndrome: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PMC

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

3. The Soy Treatment Evaluation in Metabolic Syndrome (STEM) Trial - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show...

4. Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis - PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/195...

5. Neither soy nor isoflavone intake affects male reproductive hormones: An expanded and updated meta-analysis of clinical studies - PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/333...

6. Soy protein supplementation is not androgenic or estrogenic in college-aged men when combined with resistance exercise training - PMC

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

7. Soy and Health Update: Evaluation of the Clinical and Epidemiologic Literature - PMC

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

8. Prostate cancer metastasis and soy isoflavones: a dogfight over a bone - PMC

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

10. Prostate cancer progression and mortality: a review of diet and lifestyle factors - PMC

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

11. Prostate Cancer, Nutrition, and Dietary Supplements (PDQ®)–Patient Version - NCI

cancer.gov/about-cancer/tre...

12. Effect of soy on metabolic syndrome and cardiovascular risk factors: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/277...

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Bacana in reply to

So did you find that soy was beneficial for PC?

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MrG68

As stated: ‘The study reflects "real world" rather than risks reported for clinical trial cohorts.’People should read that line again a couple of times.

There’s millions of varying and potentially confounding variables. Unless you’re prepared to lock multiple groups of genetic twins in labs for their lifetimes and control everything down to the way they tie their shoelace's, you can’t prove definitely a cause and effect of anything. The incidence evidence has to be extremely overwhelming otherwise. Smoking for example is a great example.

The ‘real world’ cannot be modeled in these things. Any time you take ANY drug there’s a risk of an adverse affect. That’s not to say certain people shouldn’t consider them though. Everyone’s circumstance is different.

It’s still important to consider the best possible studies you have available to make you best informed choices.

At my last appointment, I talked with my doctor about the PEACE 1 trial. He said he's in favor of the PEACE 1 triple of ADT + Abiraterone + Docetaxel, but he told me has some real concerns about an significant increase in the number of patients being exposed to the cardiovascular risks of Abiraterone. While he's excited about the benefits of the longer overall survival, he feels doctors have to still take this into consideration and not ignore it.

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leebeth

Selection bias can be a concern in retrospective analyses. Were the groups propensity score matched?

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dhccpa

Probably many of those were leaning heavily in those directions before diagnosis and abi and enza (and ADT) pushed them in.

However, I do wonder about long term (5+ years) effects on even the healthiest.

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