Plant Based Diets

[miina]

Interesting question is whether any on this Forum had a plant based diet PRIOR to diagnosis. I thought my diet was good but salmon and eggs were included with vegetables and fruit and whole grains

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I was vegan prior to diagnoses. I have since added wild caught Alaskan sockeye salmon. One 4 ounce serving twice a week.

[LearnAll]

Yes. I am a vegetarian (plant based plus milk products) since I was born. It was a shock to have this diagnosis as there is no family history, right body weight, no other significant illness....still I got it.

My suspicion is on pesticides in veggies and fruits and prolonged hours sitting every day.

Don't have any other explanation..

[farmanerd in reply to LearnAll]

More likely a random genetic mutation during cell division caused your cancer:

google.com/search?q=cancer+...

[LearnAll in reply to farmanerd]

People who know me did not believe I can have PCa because there is not even one risk factor,,, its hard to believe that mutations are random because nothing is random in the universe . When we do not understand something we label that as random.

There IS an explanation but I do not know...may be some negative energy...somebody's heartfelt curse or some other unknown reason...

There are layers and layers of mystery in the universe...we just are unaware of those

In East ,they say every cell is micro universe in itself with awareness and liveliness.

Until we know more.. we will have to call it random mutation...

[Currumpaw in reply to LearnAll]

Hey LearnAll!

Dairy is supposedly one of the worst culprits.

I think that your other suspicions as to what could have caused it are viable.

Currumpaw

[Break60 in reply to LearnAll]

Dairy very bad!

[Justt]

Me too, ovolactoveg here. Since my teens I abolished meat..Today I occasionaly eat fish, but still stick to a mostly veggy diet..

Tracking back cancer inducers is not so simple, its not just our diets I think. In my case there's no family case either.. Could it be the soybean overconsumption?

How about finasteride?

I also used Finasteride for over 5years and then stopped.. That also brings a hormonal unbalance to the gland I think..

It can be a myriad of inducers...

[SUPERHEAT12]

I was a vegetarian and triathlete before being diagnosed as a Gleason 9 with no history in the family. Agent orange got me. I suspect pesticides in general may cause various cancers.

[Magnus1964]

I was not a vegetarian before being diagnosed. In fact my life style was truly awful, McDonald's, beer tobacco in generous portions. Days after being diagnosed I turned vegetarian, quit alcohol and tobacco.

I am still here 27 years later. I do believe my change of life style has helped me survive this many years. It's not a cure but to continue consuming animal products filled with growth hormones is like continuing to smoke after being diagnosed with lung cancer.

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[Cmdrdata]

My late MO was an active cancer researcher, a runner and vegan. He caught brain tumor with no prior symptoms in 2017 with a one-year prognosis. His own treatment protocol extended his life to 2.5 years, but he just recently lost that battle. So, I think its not the just the vegan/supplement issue. I think that the of cause our cancer and other types are more likely caused by the environment/lifestyle/diet/genetic and many other unknowns, as of now.

[Currumpaw]

Hey miina!

Ruth Heidrich was diagnosed with breast cancer. She became a vegan but she is also a runner and has competed in marathons and triathlons. She had both breasts removed. She had metastases to ribs yet never had chemo or radiation. Within a year or so the metastases could no longer be imaged. She continued running while healing after surgery!

I had a short discussion with my oncologist about her. She became a vegan and continued running. My question to him was that, running has been proven to stimulate the body to deposit the minerals needed in our skeletal system for strong bones, known as, "Form Follows Function" as a result of the impact from the runner's feet hitting the surface and sending small shocks through the runner's bones, would this also stimulate the immune system which begins in bone marrow? He said it was very possible.

Heidrich has an exceptionally clean diet and adheres to it.

She has run just about everyday. Not only the exercise, but the stimulation through her skeletal system and as she runs for rather long distances she likely releases endorphins and gets into what runner's call the "zone" which is almost like meditation. One's mind can be a powerful force.

A bonus YouTube video.

youtu.be/2rXXtnwqz_Q(Not working as expected?)

Dr. Greger has a YouTube video about eggs and prostate cancer "recurrence". A memo from an egg industry executive mentions that a study found the choline in eggs was responsible for cancers.

The College of Nottingham did a study about ex-rays and prostate cancer. The college is highly ranked, in the top 100 world wide. There were over 400 men in the study. It was found that just one pelvic ex-ray, (I would also consider a lumbar ex-ray), or one barium enema, (oh fun!--right!), increased a man's chances of developing prostate cancer 2.5 times. Hmmm---Those practicing medicine were likely not too ecstatic about these findings by those in medical research! I have not found any other studies of this sort or follow up studies by the college. Arguments about the risk out weighed by the value, but really, maybe a well founded fear of litigation?

Here is the link:

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Speaking with a radiologist, I was told that the older machines used a higher level of radiation to obtain the images, which were as he said, "crystal clear". The new, digital equipment use much less radiation and is enhanced a bit by computer. A lumbar ex-ray uses 10X the amount of radiation as a chest ex-ray to obtain the images. The damage from radiation is cumulative. The FDA doesn't regulate ex-rays. The FDA requested that The American College of Radiology, along with contributions from a couple other colleges, establish "guidelines" for imaging techniques. I found these "guidelines" which were posted on line and dated 2008. Guidelines are open to interpretation. If a doctor happens to have his own ex-ray machine located in his practice, do you think you think he will first suggest following the guidelines and send a patient for a MRI without contrast as the recommended, first imaging technique in the guidelines?

Do doctors, dentists, chiropractors and others practicing medicine keep a record of a patient's exposure to radiation? The damage to cells from ionizing radiation is cumulative and irreversible. If it wasn't acknowledged by those in research and medicine as well as the CDC that ionizing radiation is --is--a carcinogen, do you think that the digital ex-ray equipment would be in use? As I was told, " The old equipment produced crystal clear images. The new digital is okay. We can read it".

Has anyone else spoken with a radiologist?

One of the most sensitive tissues in the body are glands. A prostate is a gland. Ionizing radiation couldn't possibly cause harm to a gland could it? Draw conclusions from this.

Currumpaw

[Kuanyin in reply to Currumpaw]

I just had a CT/PET scan. For the past several years, I have had one of these almost every year. What choice do I have? I used to avoid x-rays and wound up with a jump in Gleason that was not picked up on my usual lab tests (every three months), nor a color doppler ultrasound until it was. My oncologist doesn't want any more "surprises." I also declined dental x-rays which resulted in many oral problems that might have been avoided had the deterioration been detected earlier. A real Hobson's Choice.

[Muffin2019]

My sister ate healthy, no smoking and exercised yet she got lung cancer and passed this year. No history of cancer in family but my brother who did not eat right, smoked and drank alot of alcohol and ended up with heart disease, bladder cancer and colon cancer with no treatments available due to his health status. He has 2 to 5 years at best, he is 80. I lead a healthy low fat diet, no smoking, exercised daily and ended up with prostate cancer, go figure. I have cut back on red meat, 4 times a month, take supplements, on lupron, work part time and feel good.

[rscic]

Had a plant based diet for a few years before diagnosis. Was a 30+ year vegetarian before that but consumed significant Dairy which likely promoted my PCa. Dairy promotes IGF-1 levels which is a growth factor. There is a group of people in Ecuador who genetically lack the receptor for IGF-1 on their cells. Despite living a cancer promoting lifestyle (alcohol, tobacco products, high fat diet, etc) their cancer rates are nearly zero. They die of other problems. Because they lack the IGF-1 receptors they only grow to about 4 ft. tall. IGF-1 = Insulin-like Growth Factor 1. Another problem with dairy is it is higher on the food chain than plants. It has been long known that contaminants in the food chain concentrate the higher one goes up the food chain. So, pesticides & heavy metals are more concentrated in dairy (and meat) than in plants. IGF-1 & Pesticides might promote random genetic mistakes that cause cancer. Because PCa is so slow growing this cancer might form a VERY long time before it can be detected.

[timotur]

Drinking 1-2 gallons/week of milk got me, I was a walking Petri dish for PCa.

“ Evidence will be provided that only milk proteins incomparison to meat and fish have the unique ability to preferentially increase both the insulin/IGF-1 and the leucine signaling pathways necessary for maximalmTORC1 activation.Growing cells and especially proliferating tumor cells not only require increased amounts of amino acids and protein but also high amounts of lipids to enlarge their cellular membrane compartments. “

tinyurl.com/yy73xxag

[Break60]

I’m a pescatarian and calorie counter and exercise fanatic. Down 30 pounds and undetectable psa!

[JimVanHorn]

My oncologist asked me to not loose weight while on therapy for cancer. He asked me to eat anything I wanted within reason. He said diet dos not change the outcome of PCa. However, I did eat mostly fresh foods and stayed away for processed foods, because a healthy immune system helps kill off circulating cancer cell parts in the blood stream. So I had cancer for eleven years. I was on Eligard for 6 1/2 years, and now I do not have any cancer for over 1 year. My last therapy was April, 2018. Live, love, stay cool and enjoy life!

[j-o-h-n]

I wonder if billy goats get prostate cancer?....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 10/15/2019 6:55 PM DST

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Youuu beeeeehhhht ..

[Justt]

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