Ultra-sensitive PSA Readings and Green Tea

[cashlessclay]

My prostate has been removed and have been controlling my

cancer with diet and exercise. My PSA's for this year are:

0.442, 0.435, 0.416 and 0.312;

0.427, 0.424, 0.431 and 0.310

Not a typo, the last number on each row is both lower and consistent.

The difference is that I changed my source of green tea for those two

readings. I believe that there is no change in the cancer burden, only

an interference with the PSA reading. I have used many brands of

green tea in the past, and have never seen this effect.

Has anyone ever hear of a "green tea source" effect on PSA readings?

Thanks,

Cashless

[Hidden]

Maybe your new source of green tea is masking your true PSA readings. If you like it, why be concerned if your convinced that your true PSA is slightly higher?

[cashlessclay in reply to Hidden]

Agree, no need to be concerned if the new readings consistently "reflects" the true PSA.

It would be like tracking your weight in lbs or kg, doesn't matter. I would, however, have

to use it or not, can't start and stop with the new tea.

[westof]

Hmm... I wake up to green tea every morning. I just buy whatever is on the shelf. What is your new "source"?

[cashlessclay in reply to westof]

The new green tea is "Frontier, Gunpowder organic green tea". I but it "loose", and is not

sold in "tea bag" form.

[LearnAll in reply to cashlessclay]

I just changed my green tea source...a week ago...My new one is Temple of Heaven brand special Gunpowder green tea , product of China . I buy it from Asian store and it is $5 a lb.

I like the taste and aroma more than my previous brand Japanese Sencha which had a leaves rotten smell.

How do you know that Green tea is not really lowering PSA as well as Cancer Burden ?

On a side note. To my herbal armaments...I added fresh Parsley paste with ginger and garlic paste added,.. after I read that Parsley has capacity to slow progression of prostate cancer by thwarting angiogenesis of tumor.

[cashlessclay in reply to LearnAll]

LearnAll, after the first lower PSA (0.312) I did not know the cause, nor if the lower

PSA reflected actual reduction of cancer burden. But when I went back to my standard green tea, the PSA also returned to former values. So, I assumed the

low PSA value was an outlier. I was not until I went to the new tea once again and

got the second lower PSA did I conclude that the tea effect is real, and looks stable.

But, there is no reason to believe that the PSA wouldn't, once again, return to the 0.4xx range if I went back to the original tea.

I too use parsley, ginger and garlic as part of my diet. But, I see no magic bullets, but rather a total diet that has a low "insulin response" as well as low in iron content, that forms its basis.

[LearnAll in reply to cashlessclay]

For low insulin response we have Berberine or metformin...I like berberine.

Also, red yeast rice gives me enough lovastatin and keeps my Cholesterol very low. (last total cholesterol was 110) LDl was 82.) Only with Red yeast rice and Garlic.

[LearnAll in reply to cashlessclay]

Good ..it is in loose form so you can boil it and get maximum benefit (more EGCG)

I do not use tea bags..I make my tea the old fashioned way and drink it in meditative way...with calm and peaceful mind...

[Magnus1964]

I have been drinking green tea for decades. My brand is Yamamotoyama which I get from Amazon. I do believe it affects PSA.

[LearnAll in reply to Magnus1964]

It does affect PSA but does it also affect cancer burden ?

[Magnus1964 in reply to LearnAll]

I am not sure what you mean by the cancer burden? I drink it because I like it and i do believe green tea and a vegetarian diet has given me many more years.

[noszbe]

Your tea might have higher levels of EGCG in it (perhaps a sign of quality or consistent with organic origin since catechins are natural pesticides). EGCG decreases PSA, and it is not necessarily "masking" the cancer, depending on the stage and type of prostate cancer.

Both these papers discuss the effect

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[LearnAll]

The reason I asked it because some people connected with medical industrial complex spread this falsehood that when foods, nutraceuticals, herbs or supplements lower PSA then, they are "masking" PSA....But when chemo and their 10000 dollar a month medicine lower PSA ,it is not masking PSA. What a hypocritical idea !

I believe that whatever lowers your PSA is certainly slowing your cancer...Its pretty simple logic...don't doctors monitor PSA to know extent and severity of cancer and tell us that

if your PSA is below 0.02 your cancer is under full control.

, if herbs/supplements lower your PSA ,it is not kosher BUT if toxic ,expensive treatments lower your PSA then it is totally kosher...well..Its not a right point of view in my opinion.

[noszbe in reply to LearnAll]

It's tricky, some cancer cells can mutate into forms that don't secrete PSA and have more fitness than their predecessors.

[LearnAll in reply to noszbe]

Very low PSA type subtype is in less than 1 to 2 % of all prostate cancers.

95% PCA are mainstream PSA secreting ones and 3 to4 % are more aggressive types like small cell, ductal, neuroendocrine etc

Those type of mutations are very uncommon.

[TEBozo]

Any radiation or ADT therapy?

[cashlessclay in reply to TEBozo]

I had surgery in Jan. 2007, SRT in early 2011, and no ADT. I'm trying to avoid ADT using diet and modest exercise (walking 2 miles/day, 7 days/week).

[Doggedness]

I am going to look it up again, but I recall reading something about green tea having a chemical in it that stops cancer from creating blood vessels (which a tumour needs to grow). The same chemical is in tomatoes, so I have been putting a lot of tomatoes in our dinners and am pleased to say that my husband humours me and drinks a cup of green tea each day instead of his much-loved black tea... if I find the Ted Talk or whatever it was that talked about it, I’ll post it here.

[cashlessclay in reply to Doggedness]

I been having two cups of green tea for many years. These low values

of PSA are due to a change in the vendor of the green tea. I used five or

six vendors in the past and have not seen such an affect on PSA.

[Doggedness]

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[Doggedness]

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[j-o-h-n]

I replaced my urine with green tea in a medical urine beaker for my army physical. Apparently no difference and I ended up in Army intelligence, specializing in nuclear testing....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Monday 09/09/2019 12:41 PM DST

[AuburnAngel in reply to j-o-h-n]

Thanks, I needed that. LOL

[Hidden]

What a delight to read some good sense for a change! Glad to see there are others who appreciate that the immune system is what kills cancer, and the better the immune system the more cancer it kills. If it is killing them as fast as they grow (or better) you get FREE of all the meds and high costs - and your immune system can do an even better job without any poisons slowing it down. Many thousands have gone this route - perhaps forced into this because they were cashless.

[Currumpaw]

Hey cashlessclay!

Organic?

Green tea is an herb with nutrients that can be harmed by pouring boiling water over it. The Chinese pour the water in the cup, allow the tea to cool a bit as the cup absorbs some of the heat from the water, then add the tea and let it steep.

I have a range with a ceramic top. I can keep a little heat on the mugs. I steep two bags of green tea with ginger in a 12 ounce mug as well as a turmeric, rose, licorice and ginger bag. I add about a gram of organic powdered ginger before drinking it. When drinking tea I usually drink two of those cups followed by a dandelion, root and leaf tea.

It is a good time to take curcumin supps and some others too as they complement each other. The goal is to keep your PSA suppressed and not allow cancer to gain a foothold, not to see if your PSA will increase if you stop taking the supps you do to keep cancer at bay.

Occasionally in the afternoon I'll have a matcha tea which becomes two cups. It brews very quickly.

It wasn't too long ago someone here posted a synopsis of a study that showed that when ibuprofen was combined with green tea quite a larger percent of cancer cells died.

Imagine that!

Currumpaw