Up all night

[Startanew]

Has anyone ever suffered from restless leg syndrome from lupron or casodex

[mklc]

Hello,

Can you let me know what the symptoms you experience are?

I think I may have this too.

Best regards Mike

[Startanew in reply to mklc]

Get in bed I have all this energy in my legs can not keep them still

[Magnus1964]

I take Hylands Restless leg, it's an OTC product. You might also ask your doctor to prescribe Mirapex.

[rogerwegner]

My restless leg probably stems from lupron I have been on it since 2008. I take requip at 2:00 and 8:00 and it does control the spasms.

[Advo__cate]

If magnesium doesn’t take care of it my husband is massaging a little lavendar essential oil on his legs/feet before bedtime. His magnesium levels are good and takes plenty of magnesium from his cardiologist suggestion. Some say adding Basil EO to the lavendar (the smell would get to me) helps with spasms as well but lavender alone helps him. He is very anxious for a time after a few hours from his Zometa infusions, so we add Sedalia made by Boiron which is an over the counter homeopathic for anxiety and the lavender oil and it calms him and his legs within 10-20 minutes.

[j-o-h-n]

"wife just got it, where from, unknown." From you and hopefully not the Postman....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 02/12/2019 7:13 PM EST

[j-o-h-n]

I get it in the morning - just tolerate it ... Years ago when I was a young devil whippersnapper I had a personalized license (tag) plate ALLNIGHT couldn't use UPALLNITE, limit of 8 characters. UPALLNITE and me makes 10 characters.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 02/12/2019 7:22 PM EST

[Jimhoy in reply to j-o-h-n]

Now it takes me all night to get done what I use to do all night!

[j-o-h-n in reply to Jimhoy]

Love it..... keep it up LOL

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 02/13/2019 2:06 PM EST

[Jimhoy in reply to j-o-h-n]

I use to say “I’m as good once as I ever once was” then someone used it in a song. Ruined it forever!!!

Be well

Jc

[j-o-h-n in reply to Jimhoy]

Well I used to say "be what you is and not what you ain't, cause if you ain't what you is, you is what you ain't".... that was used once in a Presidential State of the Union speech. Woe is me too....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 02/13/2019 4:38 PM EST

[j-o-h-n in reply to Jimhoy]

youtube.com/watch?v=ldQrapQ...(Not working as expected?)

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 02/13/2019 6:47 PM EST

[Jimhoy in reply to j-o-h-n]

Yup....that one!!!

[Lisa0627]

My Dad went through that after his Lupron shot. He also experienced what he called bone ache. He had his 1st lupron shot on January 25. The restlessness has subsided.

He was given a 30 day supply of Casodex - but is being taken off when that ends. He is currently on Zytiga daily & Lupron every 3 months. Is it common to be taken off Casodex?

My Dads PSA when diagnosed was 750 - after a week on Zytiga it is down to 520.

Thank you !

[Startanew in reply to Lisa0627]

yes generally they give you casodex at the beginning of your lupron injection because of the flare up but they kept me on mine for some reason I guess I'm trying to get my PSA down faster

[Moespy in reply to Lisa0627]

Great news on the early response to Zytiga!

Best wishes.

[Startanew in reply to Lisa0627]

It is common but casodex also blocks the testosterone from your the rest of your body so you cannot absorb any of the testosterone

[Lisa0627 in reply to Startanew]

We see his oncologist on Friday, I’m going to ask his reasoning. I wish I had a crystal ball to know what the best treatment is for him- I appreciate your response

[Metungboy]

I get it as well and sometimes not just my legs but my arms as well.

This condition is common in people who don't have to endure the scourge of ADT as well.

Conventional treatment for this condition is exercise.

i find if I exercise hard every day I have far less restlessness.

If I miss 2 days in a row I can forget about any hope of being comfortable in bed.

Here is plagiarised summary from Australian Prescriber.

NOTE IN THIS ARTICLE THERE IS NO MENTION OF ADT RELATED PROBLEMS, BUT WE ALL KNOW IT IS A DEFINITE ASSOCIATION

Restless legs syndrome

Dominic Thyagarajan8 min read

Aust Prescr 2008;31:90-31 Aug 2008DOI: 10.18773/austprescr.2008.054

TagsOpiatePramipexoleRopiniroleDopamine agonist agentRestless legs

ARTICLEAUTHORSRELATED

Summary

Restless legs syndrome is common. While many patients are simply inconvenienced, others suffer greatly from wakefulness and disturbed sleep. The condition is readily recognised by history and examination and perhaps simple investigations. Secondary causes should be excluded. Mild symptoms can be managed without drugs, but severe symptoms may require a dopamine agonist. Treatment is usually effective but may present some practical difficulties.

Introduction

About 5-15% of the population are affected by restless legs syndrome.1Probably the earliest description was written in 1683 in 'Two discourses concerning the soul of brutes':

... whilst they would indulge in sleep, in their beds, immediately follow leapings up of the tendons in their arms and legs, with cramps, and such unquietness and flying about of their members, that the sick can no more sleep, than those on the rack.2

This captures the elements of restless legs syndrome: sensory discomfort ('cramps'), motor restlessness ('unquietness'), the associated involuntary movements during sleep and wakefulness ('flying about of their members'), aggravation by night and rest ('in their beds'), sleep disruption, and the tortured condition of the worst affected ('on the rack').

Restless legs syndrome can begin at any age. Earlier, slower onset suggests hereditary restless legs syndrome and later, abrupt onset, secondary restless legs syndrome. At first exacerbations and remissions occur, but then the tendency is for a static or chronic progressive course. Although some people have severe symptoms, most people do not require drug treatment.

Diagnosis and classification

The clinical evaluation of restless legs syndrome, particularly the patient's history, is very important. The diagnosis is based on criteria proposed at a consensus conference held at the National Institutes of Health in the USA (see box).1 The condition is classified as 'idiopathic' or secondary to several other conditions (Table 1).

Diagnostic criteria for restless legs syndrome1

Essential criteria

1. An urge to move the legs (and occasionally the arms or other body parts) usually, but not always, accompanied by uncomfortable or unpleasant sensations

2. The symptoms begin or worsen during periods of rest or inactivity such as lying or sitting

3. Movement such as walking or stretching partially or totally relieves the symptoms at least as long as the activity continues

4. A circadian pattern: the symptoms are worse or only present in the evening or at night and this diurnal variation must have once been present if the symptoms are now so severe as to make diurnal variation unnoticeable

Supportive of the diagnosis

1. Family history

2. Response to dopaminergic therapy

3. Periodic limb movements during wakefulness or sleep

Essential diagnostic criteria

Typically, patients complain of limb (usually leg) discomfort at rest, an urge to move the affected part, and unpleasant sensory symptoms. They often find it hard to describe the sensations, or say 'creeping, crawling, itching, burning, searing, tugging, pulling, drawing, aching, hot and cold, electric current-like, restless or painful'. These sensations are felt deep in muscle or bone, seldom in a joint. The whole limb or part of it may be involved, even unilaterally. In about half the cases, arms and legs are affected, but sole involvement of the arms is uncommon. Occasionally, the sensory symptoms are absent.

Usually, the symptoms begin after the patient has been lying or sitting quietly. Symptoms only on sitting are very uncommon. The more mentally rested and physically quiet the patient is, the more intense the symptoms. They can last for a few minutes or an hour.

Voluntary movement, not necessarily of the affected parts, promptly but only temporarily relieves the symptoms. A characteristic history is that the patient moves about in their chair or bed, gets up and paces about, stretches the limbs or rubs the legs to get relief. Placing the limbs on a cold or hot surface sometimes helps.

The worst times are from the evening to the early hours of the morning, whether or not the patient is asleep. This circadian pattern may be lost in severe cases and it is modified by shift work, medication and sleep disorders.

Supportive clinical features

Over 50% of patients have a family history of restless legs syndrome. The pattern is consistent with an autosomal dominant mode of inheritance.

In 80% of patients, repetitive flexing movements of the legs (occasionally the arms), and dorsiflexion and fanning of the toes, for 0.5-5 seconds every 5-90 seconds, occur during sleep or wakefulness. While common, these movements are not required for the diagnosis of restless legs syndrome, nor are they specific to the condition, occurring normally and in a number of other conditions.

Associated features

Over 90% of patients have insomnia - usually trouble initiating or maintaining sleep. The neurological examination is usually normal although there may be signs of neuropathy in some secondary cases. There is an association between restless legs syndrome and cardiovascular disease.3Clinical examination is mainly directed at identifying causes of secondary restless legs syndrome (Table 1).

Table 1

Classification of restless legs syndrome

PrimarySecondary

'Idiopathic'

Iron deficiency

Pregnancy, especially in third trimester, resolving with delivery

Uraemia

Peripheral neuropathies generally, and specifically Charcot-Marie-Tooth type 2 and familial amyloid neuropathy

Diabetes

Rheumatoid arthritis

Vitamin B12/folate deficiency

Spinocerebellar ataxia, especially type 3

? Parkinson's disease

Drugs:

antiemetics, e.g. metoclopramide

some anticonvulsants, e.g. phenytoin

antipsychotic agents, e.g. phenothiazines and haloperidol

occasionally tricyclic antidepressants, selective serotonin reuptake

inhibitors, lithium

Investigations

Laboratory testing is fairly limited unless a secondary cause is suspected from the history or examination. Measuring iron and ferritin is particularly important as low stores may precipitate and aggravate restless legs syndrome. Recently, measures of ferritin in the cerebrospinal fluid and MRI scans showing reduced iron in the red nucleus and striatum suggest that iron stores in the brain are reduced.4

Nerve conduction studies are indicated if the clinical evaluation suggests a neuropathy. They are of doubtful use otherwise, particularly if there is a family history.

Sleep studies for the formal evaluation of sleep quality or periodic limb movements during sleep are neither generally feasible or usually required. They may be considered if excessive daytime somnolence suggests significant sleep disruption.

Differential diagnosis

Peripheral arterial disease, arthritis and bursitis are easily distinguished by examination. Most painful conditions are not instantly ameliorated by activity.

Restless legs syndrome should be distinguished from akathisia.*The clinical setting may help, for example exposure to an offending drug (such as an antipsychotic or metoclopramide) in akathisia. Patients with restless legs syndrome emphasise the provocative nature of rest and sleep, identify the sensory disturbance as the cause of motor restlessness and have greater relief from activity. On the other hand, repetitive stereotyped movements, like body rocking, are more likely in akathisia, in which such overt motor behaviour is usually evident during the examination. The absence of symptoms while lying down generally excludes a diagnosis of restless legs syndrome.

The association with Parkinson's disease is not established by well-designed studies, but both conditions respond to dopaminergic drugs and are associated with periodic limb movements during sleep. The pathology of Parkinson's disease, however, is quite different.

Treatment

Any underlying causes should be identified and treated. Mild symptoms may respond to good sleep hygiene (Table 2) or simple analgesics. More severe symptoms may need to be managed with dopaminergic drugs, opioids or benzodiazepines. Most trials have used levodopa and dopamine agonists, but other drugs such as amantadine, selegiline and anticonvulsants also have reported efficacy. Initially at least, 90% of patients report relief with levodopa or dopamine agonists. Generally the doses are much smaller than those used in Parkinson's disease.

Opioids or benzodiazepines have a role in drug treatment of occasional symptoms as long as the patient and doctor understand the potential for dependence and withdrawal and restrict their use to only a few days in the month. Of the benzodiazepines, most published experience concerns treatment with clonazepam. This has a modest benefit, but may also be complicated by sedation and confusion. Opioids may be useful when dopaminergic drugs are poorly tolerated or are unhelpful. The advantages of opioids are long half-life and the absence of augmentation as an adverse effect. Another alternative is gabapentin, especially when pain is prominent. The class of drugs shown to be ineffective are anticholinergics; antidepressants with anticholinergic effects may worsen restless legs syndrome.

Table 2

Good sleep hygiene

Sleep/wake activity regulationEstablish regular sleep times

Avoid oversleeping

Avoid excessive napping (limit to afternoon 'powernap' of 10-15 minutes)

Exercise regularly (at least six hours before bedtime)

Sleep setting and influencesAvoid bright light exposure in late evening or night, but bright light after rising may be helpful

Avoid heavy meals within three hours of bedtime

Sleep in a quiet, dark room (remove TV, stereo)

Use a suitable mattress and pillow for comfort and support

Reserve bedroom for sleep and intimacy

Avoid alerting and stressful ruminations before bedtime (doing jigsaws may help)

Avoid caffeine after lunch

Reduce excessive alcohol intake

Avoid tobacco, especially after dinner

Sleep promoting adjuvantsHave a light snack or warm bath before bed

Engage in quiet activities before sleep e.g. reading

As the condition often fluctuates over time, the mildly affected patient may be able to use medication intermittently. Continuous treatment should be reserved for more severely affected individuals. Generally, idiopathic restless legs syndrome does not resolve.

Dopamine agonists

Low-dose dopamine agonists are largely replacing levodopa as first-line treatment for restless legs syndrome because of ease of management and better efficacy. Cabergoline has the advantage of a very long half-life and had superior efficacy to levodopa in the first large randomised controlled trial comparing two dopaminergic therapies in restless legs syndrome.5O f the newer non-ergot derived dopamine agonists, ropinirole has been the most extensively studied6, followed by pramipexole.7If there are significant daytime symptoms, patients may need multiple doses or long-acting preparations. As a general rule, doses should start low and be increased gradually to avoid adverse effects. It is important to keep doses low as there is no extra benefit from the higher doses used in Parkinson's disease, and because of the risk of augmentation with higher doses.

Adverse effects

Several problems may be encountered usually within 3-4 months of starting a dopaminergic drug. The phenomenon of augmentation complicates treatment in up to 80% of patients, as early as 3-4 weeks into treatment. In augmentation, the symptoms are shifted to an earlier time in the day, may be more severe and more easily provoked and may spread to previously uninvolved limbs. Pain and sleeplessness cause severe anxiety and so augmentation is important to recognise. Raising the dose aggravates augmentation, but it resolves on withdrawal of the drug. Risk factors for augmentation are taking the dose well before symptom onset, and doses of levodopa above 200 mg per day. It is primarily a problem with levodopa, but has also been reported with pergolide. So far, it seems that augmentation is less of a problem with cabergoline and non-ergot dopamine agonists. If augmentation occurs, it is best to switch to or between dopamine agonists, or temporarily use opioids while the dose of the dopaminergic drug is lowered.

Another problem is rebound, in which the symptoms of restless legs syndrome reappear after the drug has worn off. This is similar to 'wearing off' in Parkinson's disease and manifests as early morning or late night symptoms. Rebound is related to the half-life of the drug, so it is best to use a long-acting preparation, multiple dosing or switch to cabergoline.

Concerns have arisen over the use of ergot-derived dopamine agonists (such as cabergoline and pergolide) in the treatment of Parkinson's disease because of the serious complication of restrictive cardiac valvulopathy.8The risk could be smaller with bromocriptine and with the lower doses used in restless legs syndrome, but good studies are lacking. Great caution should therefore be used when prescribing cabergoline or pergolide. If they are necessary, regular (six-monthly) echocardiography is recommended, although we still do not know if the valvulopathy is reversible. The non-ergot derived dopamine agonists (such as ropinirole and pramipexole) have not yet been implicated in valvulopathy. There have been no direct comparative studies between cabergoline, pramipexole and ropinirole, therefore no claim for greater efficacy can be made for any of these drugs.

Common adverse effects of dopamine agonists, particularly at the start of treatment, are nausea and dizziness (due to postural hypotension). Impulse control disorders including pathological gambling and hyper sexuality are increasingly being recognised.

Another concern is pathological daytime somnolence occurring as 'sleep attacks' which may cause motor vehicle accidents. While these adverse effects seem dose related, they may occur with the relatively low doses used in restless legs syndrome, so awareness and caution are necessary.

Opioid treatment may be complicated by sedation and constipation. It has the potential for abuse, dependency and withdrawal, so occasional use is preferable.

Conclusion

Restless legs syndrome is a common but under-recognised disorder. For patients with mild symptoms, no drug treatment may be necessary. For patients with severe symptoms, dopamine agonists are the first-line treatment when a drug is needed. Some patients can be managed with intermittent therapy.

*Akathisia: a feeling of inner restlessness which makes the person unable to sit still.

Further reading

Headrick S, Adsett M, Lander C. Medicinal mishap: Cabergoline-induced valvulopathy. Aust Prescr 2008;31:21.