Cancer cure hoax

[lincolnj8]

The cure of advanced cancer by diet therapy. I hate readings that say that I can be cured by a diet..

[Tjc1]

I know what you mean. I do beleive diet can make you feel better now but in the overall scheme of things i think its to late for diet to reverse whats going on in our bodies.. I have not changed my diet to much but i have reduced portions and snacking. I feel better losing 20 lbs, will any sudden and short diet change cure us, i dont think.

Just my opinion.

[charlesmeyers1964 in reply to Tjc1]

take the PROVENGE treatment might be better in the long run

charlie

[tom67inMA]

I think diet can help by changing the body's environment to be less hospitable to cancer. Maintaining weight, good blood sugar control, low visceral fat, those kinds of things. It's like putting a finger on the scale, and not a cure in itself.

I'm with you on the hoaxes, an online friend recommended I go see a doctor in New York York uses pig enzymes to cure cancer. I googled that and enemas also seem to be part of the protocol.

[monte1111 in reply to tom67inMA]

Enema? Had to have an enema before my prostate biopsy. Prostate biopsy is number one on the list of ten things I will never do again. Coincidentally enema is number two on my list.

[Hidden in reply to monte1111]

I hope I never have to sport a supra-pubic catheter again. If I do, they can use the scar to know where to "drill". Biopsy wasn't too bad -- like getting stung by a bee 12 times up my keester.

[monte1111 in reply to Hidden]

Remember nurse saying guys told her it was like getting stung by bees. Who in their right mind lets a bee sting them 12 times up the keester. And I told her, those weren't bees, not even wasps, more like one of those large electric staplers. And as a plus, the uro wanted to make sure I got my money's worth and hit me with that pneumatic or hydraulic harpoon 14 times. I was very unhappy when I hobbled away from that place. I don't know what a supra-pubic catheter is. But if they have to drill to insert it I am definitely not going to google it to find out. I need no nightmares tonight. Enjoy your evening.

[whatsinaname in reply to monte1111]

Hahahahahahahaha, lol, lol, lol, lol, good one, indeed

I was told that my prostate biopsy would be done without any anesthesia, local or general. Further, I would be given 2 or even 3 enemas to clean my stomach prior to the biopsy. I asked if they could skip the enemas and give me local or general anesthesia on extra payment. They refused point blank. So I gave them the finger and found another reputed hospital willing to give me anesthesia and no enema

Here in Bombay, I pay for everything. So, the hospitals are more inclined to oblige. No insurance rope hanging over my neck.

[monte1111 in reply to whatsinaname]

Nice to see you can have things your way. Hope things are way cheaper there. Selling everything I have wouldn't have paid for 1st year of treatment. Starting 3rd now.

[pjoshea13]

The word "cure" makes me lose interest in whatever is being hyped, whether it is a diet, a supplement or a treatment. PCa can remain dormant for over 20 years - one can never be sure. There are ~3 million men living in the U.S. who once received a PCa diagnosis. No doubt many believe they have been cured and many have changed their diet, but I'm not aware of a great number of them trying to get a message to us that their diets cured them. Perhaps BigPharma is suppressing this information? LOL

Most claims are absurd. Take Dirk Benedict, who cured himself of PCa with a macrobiotic diet. He was "diagnosed" well before the PSA test became available. He refused a biopsy, so it's not clear how the diagnosis was made. And this happened when he was only in his 30s.

But diets may have an effect on the PCa progression rate. e.g. Dr. Myers has observed that his patients on low-fat diets do not do well.

Many men make an effort to eat "healthier" after diagnosis, so there is a basic belief that diet may make a difference. But the changes that are made, such as less red meat, less fat & less sugar, seem to come from popular beliefs rather that the PCa literature.

The diet gurus are all over the map in terms of what constitutes a healthy diet, so one can shop around for the diet that seems most amenable.

Perhaps the worst dietary advice comes from the U.S. government, but I believe the president is working on a new food pyramid. LOL

-Patrick

[RICH22 in reply to pjoshea13]

the prez' pyramid is unique, looking more like a giant fence. many have yet to figure out how n. americans will benefit from millions of acres of food crops not having enough people to harvest it all. this will affect the shape of the food pyramid, which may look more like a squashed pancake than a true pyramid.

[Hidden in reply to RICH22]

The rich get richer... the family farm is done... no more.. Corp America

[RICH22 in reply to Hidden]

my ex has had 4 farms, all on the way toward self-sufficiency selling products like raw sheep wool, eggs, goat milk and occasional bumper crops of tomatoes, peppers, squash when some scumbag authority shuts her down. pathetic. she has home-baked breads and muffins down to a science and sells locally to other home/stores in the rural area but sooner or later, some govt agency will probably shut that down too. God bless the corporations... they'll need it come the revolution!

[Tall_Allen]

I agree. There's no credible evidence yet that changes in diet can even slow it down. Those charlatans rely on mice to make their claims. Perhaps diet changes can cure human xenografts in mice, but so far, the evidence is that it does nothing useful for prostate cancer in humans.

[whatsinaname in reply to Tall_Allen]

Which is why I continue to eat & drink exactly what I used to before I was diagnosed with metastatic prostate cancer. Of course, since diagnosis, I have failed eligard and radiation therapy & will know the outcome of chemo shortly.

If I have to die at a relatively young age (62 now), I might as well enjoy the food I eat before I pass

[dress2544 in reply to whatsinaname]

Hi

I am also thinking in the same way. I was diagnosed at the age of 60 and now I am 64. I never changed any of my food habits. I don't think after being diagnosed, the diet will play a major role in the prognosis of Pca. So no need to give up any food you love to eat. I have not avoided any food which I was eating before the diagnosis. On ADT as I am putting on weight I have reduced the quantity. That is the only change I made. So don't worry about the food habits. Eat well and enjoy life. Take the benefits of whatever treatments available. Leave the rest.

[whatsinaname in reply to dress2544]

Absolutely, Ajith

You gotta go when you gotta go

Might as well enjoy what's left of ones life. And, I really love

eating good food & drinking good booze (in moderation, of course).

Cheers, Ajith, chin up and enjoy life You only live once.

[leo2634 in reply to whatsinaname]

Amen to that Brother. I'll have a Scotch at lunch today in your honor.

[lincolnj8 in reply to leo2634]

Good for you. lol

[whatsinaname in reply to leo2634]

Cheers, leo2634. Enjoy that Scotch, make it a long, slow, enjoyable one

[cujoe]

Alway a good topic to bring out the diversity of the posting community. FWIW, Here's is my 2 cents.

No doubt, diet is much more important in preventing cancer than it is treating it - and the possible positive/negative impacts from dietary changes are so individualized, that making general recommendations is difficult, if not impossible. As in all things related to health, it pays to be your own advocate.

When it comes to diet, I have very strong opinions about what sort of diet is best for good health - and that diet is not the one that most people in the US and other countries adopting our "western diet" are consuming. I have personal anecdotal evidence that the radical dietary change ("near" vegan) I made 8 years ago has been the major factor in causing my first cancer (blood cancer CLL) to gradually reach near-remission status. The improvement has been gradual and began when the dietary change was started. (To date, I have not received any treatements for CLL.) At my last labs in December, my WBC was well into the normal range for the first time since my diagnosis 12 years ago - and all but one of the many enlarged lymph nodes I had at diagnosis have also completely dissipated.

I am less convinced that the dietary changes had much to do with the progress of my PCa which came later. But with the addition of some well-researched supplements and plant powders, I have been able to get to and maintain an undetectable PSA for the last 15 months. That was after RP+adjuvant IMRT = undetectable PSA for 3 years, followed by radical rising PSA to time of initiation of ADT. After initial 3 mos of ADT (bicaludamide + Lupron), my PSA was "undetectable" <0.1 and my T was 9. Three months later PSA remained undetectable and T was in 500s. Here I am 15 months after ADT with a still undetectable PSA and T still well into the normal range. As the saying goes, "Keep on keeping on".

Did diet and supplement/plant powder regime have anything to do with the positive results??? Who knows?? Would it work long-term? Time will tell. Any chance it would work for anyone else?? No way of knowing. Do I plan on giving it up anytime soon?? Not a chance.

Eat Well To Be/Stay Well - cujoe

[charlesmeyers1964]

look i have been fighting this now on my 11 year and there is no CURE. if it was that easy then 250,000 each year would live its not maybe like aids it might but not now

charlie

[Hidden]

a good diet can help take the straw off the camels back but eventually the camel with tire

[DeanNelson]

I think I’ll have a bowl of rocky road ice cream for breakfast , yea that’s the ticket 🤓

[RICH22]

before i had any treatment besides a DRE, which was negative, my PSA went up to 16.9. I began taking an herbal combo i'd heard about, Zyflamend. it contains 10 different herbs, about half of which i'd already been taking. 3 months later, PSA went down to 14.7 - so i went for a biopsy.

GL 4+3 scared me into doing ADT, with only Casodex as a mono-therapy. 3 mos later, PSA<0.1 --- So while my PSA may have continued to drop 2 points every 3 months, due to an herbal formula and eating more veggies, less meat products, I couldn't take the chance.

ADT impotence and reducing muscle mass and bone density doesn't prevent me from having orgasm and a normal level of physically active life... at least, for the time being.

[rocket09]

I think a good healthy diet can add to your bodies disease fighting abilities and that all.

[Graham49]

If someone says they have a "cure" it is probably a scam.

However there are scientific papers that suggest that diets and supplements can slow or at least hinder PCa. The studies so far have mostly been in vitro, mouse model, or population studies. Some interesting clinical trials are in progress, see details of one below. There's no results available for PCa yet.

Interim analysis of a prospective randomized trial of dietary carbohydrate restriction for men with a rising PSA after failed primary treatment: Carbohydrate and Prostate Study 2 (CAPS2).

Stephen J. Freedland, Jenifer Allen, Andrew J. Armstrong, Judd W. Moul, Howard M. Sandler, Dana Levin, Lauren E. Howard, Pao-hwa Lin Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA; Duke University, Durham, NC; Duke Cancer Institute, Duke University, Durham, NC; Cedars-Sinai, Los Angeles, CA; Durham VA Medical Center/ Duke University, Durham, NC

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Background: Nearly one third of men treated with curative intent for localized prostate cancer (PC) will develop a rising PSA. The rate of PSA rise (PSA doubling time aka PSASDT) is a predictor metastases and PC death. In laboratory mice, an extreme low carbohydrate diet slows PC growth. We tested whether this diet could slow PSADT in men with recurrent PC. Methods: We are conducting a 6-month multi-center randomized phase II trial of dietary carbohydrate restriction vs. no diet intervention control. Men had to have a BMI ≥24 kg/m2, received radical prostatectomy or definitive local radiation for PC, had a PSA 0.4-20.0 ng/ml (3-20 if prior radiation therapy) within the past 3 months, and current PSADT 3-36 months. The intervention arm was instructed to eat < 20 grams/carbs/day with no other limits. The control arm was told to make no diet. In this interim analysis, we present the efficacy of the dietary intervention with regards to weight loss. Arms were compared using rank-sum. Total anticipated enrollment is 60. The primary outcome is differences in PSADT between arms. Secondary outcomes include weight loss, and dietary make-up. Results: To date, 28 patients (14 in each study arm) have completed the study. Characteristics were well-balanced at baseline. At the 6-month dietary assessment, calorie consumption was similar between the two study arms (p = 0.090) among the 16 patients (7 low-carb, 9 control) with diet information. Subjects in the low-carb arm ate fewer carbs (29 vs. 188 g, p = 0.008) and more protein (125 vs. 73 g, p = 0.044) but similar amounts of fat (75 vs. 67 g, p = 0.672) vs. subjects in the control arm. Six months on the low carb diet resulted in greater weight loss (median: 31.7 vs. 0.8 lbs, p < 0.001), lower BMI (24.4 vs. 29.6 kg/m2, p < 0.001), and smaller waist circumference (95.7 vs. 108.9 cm, p = 0.002). Conclusions: In this interim analysis of an on-going dietary study for men with a rising PSA after definitive local treatment, an extreme low carbohydrate diet results in dramatic weight loss in 6 months. Whether this weight loss slows PC growth is an on-going question. Clinical trial information: NCT01763944.

[j-o-h-n]

The best diet cure for advanced cancer is to totally stop eating and die from starvation.

Time for my double scoop of chocolate chip ice cream (again if the boss is not watching I'll sneak in another scoop).

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 01/17/2019 6:29 PM EST

[Hidden]

Lincolnj8...fret not.. eat what you want.. I’ve read others response and mine is quite different.. I was 53 almost 4 years ago . I did a 360 flip giving up the SAD = standard American diet for no sugar whole food plant based diet.. I was in Rt for 8 weeks back then...I fasted thru Rt and lost 65 pounds. I’ve gained back 30 of that and feel pretty good expect all of the issues with no T.. I was the youngest in my group of cohorts of Rt. Most in their 70 s some in their 80s . I was the youngest and in the worst shape of any of them with tubes under my med gown.. I asked my buddies if they re going to stop sugar and meat.. Two said “ I can’t live without meat” the others also kept on the SAD. When we stepped out of the nuclear room they had a bowl of snickers and candy. I watched each those guys down a hand full of sugar each time they exited..Mr Howard died last year and so have the rest.. I was 53 and not ready for death.. I’ve done Vit -c I’vs and many other holistic methods my entire four yrs . I’ve had no visable signs for over 3 yrs now.. Am I cured? My hemotologist oncologist says so.. If I had been 10 or 20 yrs older upon dx I too might have said fu@@ it! I’ll

Keep up my old evil ways.. But I do want to live. I belive that if I had kept up my old lifestyle that I would not be here in this temporary clear status at all.. will it last ? Only God knows. I say that any one Eating sugar and the sad diet.. Keep on doing it .. I’m off all of that poison.. I don’t think that anyone with under ten years can say that they are clear or in long term remission . Time will tell who the last man standing will be.. So far the guys that I’ve known that didn’t change are gone..That’s just me..Others here say they eat SADnand are fine.. cool ..we’reall Different. Good luck

[lincolnj8 in reply to Hidden]

I see where you're coming from. I have to look into this

[Hidden in reply to lincolnj8]

Follow your own path to healing. Tailor it your own way..Being happy is it.. whatever comes . Hell or high water let’s paddle through until we can’t paddle no more. The human spirit is more powerful than APC and treatments...

[Hidden]

I don't believe a change in diet can "cure" any cancer. However, changing your diet may extend your life. Not eating beef and poultry that has been fed hormones to make them grow bigger, fatter, faster is a benefit. After all prostate cancer is a hormone fed cancer.

[lincolnj8 in reply to Hidden]

Non hormone fed beef and poultry is sometimes hard to find in my area. Gmo's which are banned in many countries flourish in America. We look for non gmo seeds to plant every year. And they can be hard to find also.