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I am 73 years old and was diagnosed in 2006, went through prostate removal and salvage radiation all of which were unsuccessful. Started intermittent adt early 2008 with Dr Tanya Dorff who was my oncologist at USC until we moved back east from Phoenix to New Hampshire( I know strange to many) All this time the adt is still effective and even with 2 Carbon Acetate scans by Dr Almeida in Phoenix, they only found one lymph node and no other metastasis.

During this period I spoke to my brother in New Zealand and reminded him to get a baseline psa done, he is 6 years younger than myself. All this time he refused until last week when finally a doctor in NZ suggested he should get a baseline psa. The result was a reading of 6, obviously as a sibling this is concerning to me but his doctor after feeling his prostate decided he felt normal and told him that this reading could be due to many things, bike riding which he hasn't done for over a year or maybe an infection, and as he hasn't displayed any symptoms he didn't think a trip to a urologist was needed and told him to come back in 3 months for another psa. I suppose my question is, am I being overly protective of him because I want him to be more proactive, or do any of you think I am overreacting?

Thanks guys and ladies for all the good work you put into this forum, and by the way I now see Dr Mary-Ellen Taplin at Dana Farber in Boston and the adt is still working :)

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arizonablue

Cheers matey, good advice!

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Lombardi24

No. You are not. I got the same story from my doctor when my psa was rising. I was 54 and my father died from metastatic prostate cancer. She said same exact thing no need possibly just an infection or BPH. So I trusted her and waited until I saw blood in my semen. Then she sent me to a urologist but it was to late at that point. Now I am battling for my life. Tell him to go...now...do not wait. He is just being resistant probably out of fear.

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arizonablue in reply to Lombardi24

Thanks Lombardi. I am going to reach out to him later today.

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cesanon

It is the trajectory of psa readings that counts.

He needs to start doing his psa monthly then quarterly.

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arizonablue in reply to cesanon

Exactly my thoughts also, cheers Cesanon

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Tall_Allen

He should ask for a Prostate Health Index (PHI) blood test instead of just a PSA

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arizonablue in reply to Tall_Allen

Thank you for your reply, but sadly I must admit I do not know anything about this test and how it differs from a standard psa test

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Tall_Allen in reply to arizonablue

Google it if you want to know, or tell him to ask his Uro for it.

Thanks - what kind of adt are you on and what about the side effects?

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I started on Lupron 90 day with Casodex and Finisteride back in 2008 with intermittent holidays until psa started its upward trend. During this time my onc in LA decided to move me on to Zytiga instead of Casodex with a hope of make my time off in between treatments a lot longer and durable. This did happen and since moving to New Hampshire, Dr Mary-Ellen Taplin at Dana Farber in Boston has carried on the same protocol after being off treatment for nearly 20 months. So in October this year I went back on Lupron 90 day with Zytiga, predisone and Avodart. My first lab six weeks later showed my psa went to undetectable at <0.02 and testosterone went to 3, all in all very good considering its ten years on and off ADT.

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Thanks so much. I was diagnosed in 2002, 3+4 - 4+4, had RP and radiation in 2003, psa stayed below 4 until 2014, been on 50 mg Cassodex since 2014, my psa inching up to 1.5, last 3 months, 6 bone mets that are not spreading but growing slightly, Mayo Dr here in Arizona says Lupron, Lupron, Lupron. Who was you oncologist here in Arizona and California? Appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Tom Elliot

tceinvestments@msn.com

P.S. 75 degrees here today - I want to live as long as possible to enjoy the weather.

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Hi Arizona

Who was your MO in Arizona and Ca?

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arizonablue in reply to

I never had a MO in AZ, I was recommended to go and see Dr Tanya Dorff at the Norris Cancer Center at USC in LAX, she treated me for over eight years and I loved her. I believe she has now gone full time into research. She recommended me to Dr Mary-Ellen Taplin at Dana Farber Cancer Center in Boston after we left AZ to go back east. This center in Boston is top notch so I have been very blessed to have had two great prostate oncologists during this battle with this insidious disease.

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Thanks - what are you taking now?

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arizonablue in reply to

Lupron every 90 days, daily Zytiga with Predisone and Avodart.

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Break60 in reply to arizonablue

You’ve had a wonderful experience with ADT! Congrats!

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arizonablue in reply to Break60

I have and long may it go on, the longer it does opens up the opportunity for more advances down the road while keeping this beast at bay.

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j-o-h-n

Well arizona, If you can take a trip to NZ, tell your bro that if he doesn't see a Urologist every 6 months to have his psa and prostate (dre) checked that you're gonna kick him in his nuts (while he still has them) until his lips turn arizonaBLUE. This is assuming that your bigger than he is.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 12/01/2018 11:36 PM EST

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arizonablue in reply to j-o-h-n

Unfortunately my younger brother is much bigger than I am so I will take a different approach..lol!!! Thanks mate

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Velohomme

You are being a thoughtful brother. Statistically your brother's odds of prostate cancer are now doubled because you have been DX'd.

As mentioned earlier on this thread there are other PSA tests which can be done to clarify. I had the PSAFree (which is part of the Prostate Health Index) done and it was very instructive. It frustrates me that these are tests are not immediately done when there is cause for concern (they are just blood tests and they are not very expensive).

Note: the suggested correlation between bike riding and PSA seems real (it was for me) but the effect is only for a few days before the PSA test.

An example of familial risk:

My brother was diagnosed at 62 with a PSA of 2.5. He had no symptoms and only visited the urologist because of my DX and my father's. His urologist did not feel anything during the DRE but did an MRI. PCa was found and my brother was treated. My cancer probably saved my brother.

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j-o-h-n in reply to Velohomme

you're bro of the year!!!

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Sunday 12/02/2018 4:32 PM EST

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arizonablue in reply to j-o-h-n

Thanks John!

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arizonablue in reply to Velohomme

Thank you so much for your reply, great news about your brother!!

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