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I have shoulder pain in both shoulders. However, I have terrible 'Bingo Wings' so need to do approriate exercises for them. Trouble is, it hurts whichever exercices I've tried. Swimming is probably good, but the nearest pool to me is 12 miles away and I don't have a car. Also, any tips on quitting wine? It's delicious, but hinders my weight loss! I like it with cetain meals, though, such as anything with garlic, fish or chicken.

Thanks :)

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Give up eating Garlic, Fish or Chicken which are healthy and good for you or give up drinking wine with every meal. Look at the end of the day it’s just a choice. Exercise more and eat less or eat more and exercise less. Which choice will genuinely lead to weight loss?

I don’t mean to be flippant or patronizing but genuinely ask yourself. We all know what the correct path is. It’s just that it’s so hard to follow. But if you do follow the correct path then you will lose weight, you will get fit and you will add years onto your life. But it is bloody hard.

I’ve read back through this post. And I feel bad for posting it. I don’t want to upset anyone. But we all make excuses. I do too. I’ve just learnt recently that if I exercise more and eat less I lose weight. I’ve lost 26 lbs and I feel great. But it was hard work. I have 7 more pounds to lose and they will be twice as hard as the last 26.

And again I feel I must apologize but weight loss is the hardest thing I have ever done and we can’t fool ourselves. It is just hard work. A Gym I am sure will arrange some exercises which will help you and make you stronger, healthier and fitter. Just be driven to achieve a goal. Stick to it and don’t give up on it. It’s hard but it works. I’ve been there after 20 years of making excuses and I’m making it work for me.

Damien

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Rhosyn2 in reply todamienair

Loving this tough love approach. In our heart of hearts we know what parts of our lifestyle contribute to the body we have now, and setting the ship on a new course takes a lot of effort and time before the new bearing is set in, the ship heads in a new direction and we start to see progress!

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Seaviewsally in reply toRhosyn2

Yes, Rhosyn2...You are very correct. I needed to hear a tough love answer!

I also love your phylosophy. Very metaphorical and encouraging.

Namaste! xx

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Seaviewsally in reply todamienair

Thank you, damienair. I know you're right and I needed to hear some straight talking. :)

I have baked potato with salmon, quorn mince with pasta and garlic bread and eat lots of vegetables and fruit and natural greek yoghurt. I'm not a cakes, biscuits and crisps consumer, at all, don't have sugar in my tea and coffee and eat only one slice of bread a day, which is usually wholemeal with seeds. So I generally eat healthy foods, I just love the combinations of certain foods and the wine that goes so well with them. However, I won't lose weight if I continue my eating and drinking those delicious things. Perhaps cut down and only have the wine one evening a week. (I typically drink 2 medium glasses, every other night, with a meal. (Saturdays, Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and so on.) I only go to the pub maybe once a month, so at least I'm not getting sloshed every wekend, like a lot of people I know of. I do go walking, 5 days a week to work and back, a mile each way and on a Sunday morning, for a couple of miles. Will just alter my wine intake and eat smaller portions. Thanks again :)

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damienair7lbs in reply toSeaviewsally

I was 2 to 3 stone over weight since I was 25. Before that I was very fit and active, and very healthy. I got a job with a company car, was eating out a lot, partying and just not exercising at all or rarely. That continued for 20 years. 2 years ago I did C25K and started doing Parkrun. But no weight was coming off. I lost a few inches but was still 30 lbs overweight. But I would consider that I was eating healthy. So I’m November I made a promise to myself that by my 45th Birthday I would be fit, healthy and have lost all my excess weight. I stopped drinking wine, which I too loved. Wine is deadly calorie wise. And I started counting calories and increased my exercise. I can’t say it was easy. I still have 5 pounds to go before the 16th of May. But the only way I could lose the weight was to commit and be strict on myself. But it has been so worth it. Now if I go out I do enjoy a few drinks, but I make sure to burn it off with a good long run before going out or early the next day.

I wish you every success on your weight loss journey.

Damien

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Seaviewsally in reply todamienair

Congratulations on your success, Damienair... although you've really worked hard. I guess that it's the only way to go, but as you say, it's worth it.

Thank you for your good wishes. It really helps encourage me and I apprecaite that greatly. :)

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damienair7lbs in reply toSeaviewsally

It’s a long game. Be realistic and set individual goals. Like I want to lose 1 stone in the next 2 months. Set and date and aim for it. And have a long term goal. For example by next Christmas I want to be ?

It takes time to get into it, but now I am finding it much easier to make healthy choices, properly healthy choices. There are no short cuts. It’s a Marathon and you need to take it one step at a time.

You will do great. It’s all in the mind. 👍

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If you can't exercise, then don't. No trainer will tell you to exercise through pain - it'll do more harm than good. Interestingly, just avoiding inactivity gives you about 70% of the benefits of a workout programme, so going for a daily walk (especially if you're walking up and down that hill!) and avoiding too much TV time would be a great start.

Do you know what precisely is causing your shoulder pain?

As for the wine ... I suppose it depends how much of it you drink. One glass 2-3 times a week might slow down your weight loss, but it's not going to have a radical impact. What else are you eating with your fish or chicken? If it's potato or pasta, that's the culprit.

If you're drinking half a bottle every day, you'd be best off just stopping it entirely. It's easy to slip slowly into bad habits with alcohol. If you feel you need a drink in your hand, go with coffee or tea.

Incidentally, I have to disagree with damienair that weight loss is hard work. It's hard work only if you're using the wrong approach. Once you get it right, it's effortless. Pleasant, even. The "correct path" is an unholy product of bad science, bad journalism, and patronage politics. It's worth pondering on the fact that humans have never been as badly overweight as the Modern Brit in our entire evolutionary history; so clearly, our bodies work just fine to regulate food intake if they're allowed to do so. It's only when we start consuming non-foods like margarine, white sliced bread, and "low fat" or "heart healthy" synthetic junk that our finely-honed metabolic machinery goes off into the weeds.

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Seaviewsally in reply toTheAwfulToad

Thank you for your kind advice, The AwfulToad :) (re; my shoulder pain)

It's a complaint I've had with both shoulders for about 10 years and have had 2 operations on both shoulders. It's called 'rotator cuff syndrome' where the ball is compresed by the socket, causing impingment. I've had steroid injections, as well as operations, but they're a tempory measure. It's just something I need to live with, I guess, My large chest area doesn't help. I asked for a reduction, but was refused, as the NHS are low on funds and I totally get that. Anyway, thanks again....you'll see my food and drink habits in my reply to the post before your's. Thanks again! :)

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TheAwfulToadVisitor in reply toSeaviewsally

Oh ... that's not fun. I had a rotator cuff injury in my left shoulder that took many years to improve. I still can't load it up with large weights, but I can now exercise freely. Do you have a physiotherapist? Surgery and steroids have a pretty poor record of success, AFAIK, but maintaining mobility in those planes/axes that aren't painful does help a lot. In time, it should heal itself. In fact this seems like a prime opportunity to repeat my favourite "doctor doctor" joke:

Patient: Doctor, doctor. It hurts when I do this.

Doctor: Well, don't do that then.

The point is, whatever you can do, keep doing it.

As regards your current situation: be kind to yourself, but don't hold onto your grief. Your son is still alive, at least, and you can see him anytime you like. Some people aren't so fortunate. Life occasionally demands that we make radical adjustments, and it's important to face these things squarely and do whatever needs doing.

The problem with the alcohol band-aid is that it works ... at least until it starts causing different problems. I think moreless 's advice is likely to be more effective and less painful: if it isn't there you can't drink it, so just don't buy it. Promise yourself that alcohol is only for inherently-enjoyable situations; for example, how about one or two days a month with your son at the pub?

Same with the food, but for different reasons. Don't cut down: change what you eat. Having smaller portions of food will not work. It's never worked for anyone. The reason is that your body's fat-storage reserve is determined by its estimation of future food shortage: if you impose a food shortage, the more likely result is that it'll hold onto bodyfat. The idea that being overweight is all down to "too many calories" is fundamentally wrong - it's been disproved by experiment (innumerable times), it doesn't accord with known biochemistry, and it makes no evolutionary sense. A body that burned through it's fat reserves during a famine would soon be a dead body, and would therefore not survive to pass on its genes. The survivors would be those who aggressively held onto stored energy reserves (ie., fat) for the longest possible time, shedding it only in times of seasonal abundance when it would be a burden instead of an asset.

Bland and boring food is not (necessarily) healthy food. In fact the "sinful" food that you're eating now is not far off optimal - you're hampered partly by a few unhelpful items in your diet, and partly by your age and gender (women tend to hang onto fat more than men, and we all lose muscle and gain fat as we get older). The latter issue means that you'll have to make more effort than, say, the average 20-year-old. Lose the remaining starch-based foods (eg., potato and pasta) from your diet and add more veggies to replace them. Use oils, animal fats, cheese or butter in your vegetable recipes to replace (some of) the missing starch calories. Eat until you're full. Once you've reached a more desirable bodyweight, you'll find you can re-introduce toast (and wine!) and it will have no untoward consequences.

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Hi and welcome, Seaviewsally :)

I agree with TheAwfulToad that you shouldn't exercise when in pain and would add that your GP will be the best person to advise you on the steps to take towards any exercise that involves your shoulders. In the meantime, you can't beat walking - it's good for mind body and soul and keeps you away from the wine! ;)

If wine is your nemesis, don't have it in the house and then you can't drink it. Leave the occasional glass for special occasions, when you go out to eat.

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Seaviewsally in reply tomoreless

Thank you, moreless :)

I shall look at those links in the morning. You've been very helpful and I really appreciate the brilliant replies I've had to my post. Everyone is kind and helpful and non judgemental.

Thanks again :) P.S. I forgot to add, that I live on my own now, as since the New Year, my son who I'm very close to, moved into his own apartment, so I miss his company in the evenings. When I feel lonely, I 'comfort drink' with wine. I noticed my drinking has increased, to deaden the empty void. Of course, I would never tell him I feel lonely since he's gone, as he would worry, but I want him to be happy. I have never told anybody this and as I'm typing it, I feel sad and a bit guilty :/

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