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Hello all,

I have recently switched to Teva brand for part of my dose (past few days). I'm on 100mcg Accord with 12.5mcg Teva (as the pharmacist gave me Teva instead of Mercury Pharma). I have changed nothing else about my regime although I did start on HRT about 8 weeks ago.

I am feeling so sleepy in the afternoons and have (re)started needing a nap, which had stopped since starting taking levo. The menopause symptoms are much better (which I put down to HRT) but the energy-related symptoms that are familiar from my hypo days seem to be returning.

Do you think this could be down to the Teva even though it's only been a couple of days? Is it worth persisting to see if it settles down?

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Obsdian profile image
Obsdian

I can say that thyroid levels change if my hrt ie lowered or raised. So, if you have raised your hrt it's possible your thyroid levels have lowered. I think by how much might be individual.

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Sunflower1- in reply toObsdian

Hi,I have only just worked this out-i have been feeling off for days and the only thing I changed was going up a pump in oestrogel,do you think that could be my problem?I've now reduced by a pump to see what happens but it's only been two days .

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Obsdian in reply toSunflower1-

I've had hormone fluctuations, a bit more in the past which has made finding a stable dose difficult at times. It takes my body between 4-14 days to adjust to a dose change. For me, things like joints and muscles respond quickly but everything else takes more time.

What symptoms were you feeling?

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Astrido,

I'm not sure I entirely understand. I'm not clear how the 12.5 Teva could could have been given instead of Mercury Pharma - because there is no 12.5 microgram, Mercury Pharma tablet.

Am I just making incorrect inferences or plain misunderstanding?

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Astrido in reply tohelvella

I left out a detail! I've been cutting the 25mcg tablets in half.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toAstrido

That does make more sense!

12.5 microgram Teva is the only dosage I ever tried! Made my stomach uncomfortable so I never took any Teva ever again.

But I am somewhat surprised at the perceived change in potency.

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Cut an Accord 100mcg into 4 x 1/4 tablet to get 25mcg

Take 100mcg one day and 125mcg next day …….averages out at 112.5mcg daily

See if symptoms resolve

Retest after 6-8 weeks

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Astrido in reply toSlowDragon

I would like to do this but I find the accord tablets are small and quite crumbly so it tends to disintegrate rather than split into 4 parts. I might try this again though and take "the dust"

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toAstrido

Use a sharp craft scalpel

Eg Swann Morton

hobbycraft.co.uk/swann-mort...

Save the other 1/4’s in a weekly pill dispenser

It doesn’t matter if 1/4’s are unequal…..it evens out

Yes mop up any crumbs with damp finger

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Astrido in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you - very helpful.

Is it better to take all of one brand in general or not especially?

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toAstrido

Many, many members find it helps or is essential to be on one brand

U.K. Government has even issued guidelines in support of patients after decades of patients being gaslit by medical professionals saying different brands are irrelevant

Being hypothyroid we frequently develop intolerances to all sorts of things……lactose….accacia….mannitol etc

Different brands are not necessarily bio equivalent…..a fixed dose in one brand will give different results to exactly the same dose in another brand

Different brands also have different fillers

gov.uk/drug-safety-update/l...

If a patient reports persistent symptoms when switching between different levothyroxine tablet formulations, consider consistently prescribing a specific product known to be well tolerated by the patient.

If symptoms or poor control of thyroid function persist (despite adhering to a specific product), consider prescribing levothyroxine in an oral solution formulation.

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

And here

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Discussed here too

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Netherlands (and Germany?) guidelines are for thyroid patients to always get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Maddyisla in reply toAstrido

You can get pill cutters from Amazon, that’s what I do otherwise it’s very haphazard in terms of dosage 🥴

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blondpalomino in reply toMaddyisla

Or from the local Chemist!

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Hypocaz

my preferred brand is teva, I was recently given my usual 75mcg as a different brand vencamil made by aristo, it gave me stomach ache and nausea and I felt sluggish the whole time. I went back to the pharmacy and managed to get my teva and things were back to normal again x

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Magyarkeszi

I can't take Teva brand. They substitute lactose with a acacia or manitol and I can t tolerate that substance . I felt unwell. I researched it and found some people have issues with the product. I reported it to my doctor. I have a marker on my repeat prescription so that they don't issue it to me again. Hope that's helpful.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toMagyarkeszi

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StanleyThyroid in reply toMagyarkeszi

I have accord specified on my record and I always specify accord when I reorder but they always give me the 50s as teva or something else 🙄

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Magyarkeszi in reply toStanleyThyroid

For goodness sake. Why is it always a fight?? Just keep at them.

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Boatin

It could be the brand switch.

I got my GP to put 'not Teva' on my prescription as I feel worse when taking that brand. My preference is Mercury Pharma but my chemist struggles to get hold of it every few months, whichbis frustrating as you are supposed to stick with one brand. I'm currently taking Accord and I seem OK with this too.

I'm thinking of switching to an online pharmacy that delivers, but the brand switching is one of my main concerns, and then not being able to ask them to swop it.

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Janetcat in reply toBoatin

I had very bad cluster headaches with Teva. Lloyds only do Teva, probably cheapest. Changed to local family pharmacy & they always try & get Wockhardt first me. Online service was utter disaster despite saying no TEVA they sent it. Called & asked why? They said could not get Wockhardt. Woman I spoke with had zero pharmaceutical knowledge.?no way to return medication or alternative. Try a local pharmacy if you can. Invaluable

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Astrido in reply toBoatin

Yes, this is how I was given Teva despite the note to only give me Accord or Mercury Pharma. The online people send you whatever.

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Boatin in reply toAstrido

I'll be sticking with the local pharmacy then 👌🏼👍🏻

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Macca1

I’m pleased to read this if only because I think my symptoms may be caused by consistent brand change I’m on 100 and 75 alternate days. The pharmacy keep on changing the 75 brand. I’ve been feeling nauseous on certain days. Incredibly achy and stiff and also shattered. Also worrying gaur loss … again!! I’m going to ask for same brand in 50 and cut in half!! Or try and get back to 100 daily!

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Macca1 in reply toMacca1

Hair Loss. Obviously!

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Astrido in reply toMacca1

the hair loss is the worst 😢

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Kazbe in reply toMacca1

I take Mercury Pharma 100mcg one day and 75mcg alternate days . Mercury pharma comes in 100mcg also 50mcg and 25mcg and they are easy to split ! It’s easy and keeps the dosage all with the same brand :) hope this helps .

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Macca1 in reply toKazbe

Thanks.

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Tea7light

Hello Astrido,

When I switched from NDT I tried various brands of Levo. ,Teva, I decided was like drinking vinegar, after I’d tried Morningside. So I joked with the pharmacist saying Teva was like vinegar and Morningside was like Champagne!! It was noted!

It’s only by trying we find out what suits us, as on this forum we are repeatedly shown how different we all are.

Good Luck with your search it does take time to find out, a log is useful.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toTea7light

Potentially a touch confusing. Morningside do liothyronine - not levothyroxine.

And the usual suggestion (or guess) is that Teva levothyroxine can be problem due to the mannitol and/or acacia it contains. But Teva liothyronine contains neither.

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Tea7light

Thank you Helvella,

It was some time back . I used Teva T4 along with other brands. I’m now on Mercury T4 it’s grand. It was later when I was on T4/ T3 combined, that I then noticed the difference between the two manufacturers recipes , hence my vinegar v champagne analogy.

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VSHchocolate

I was on 25mcg Teva and 100mcg Accord. I felt unwell until I stopped taking Teva. It has been a long journey as I have tried NDT , T3/T4 and I am now very clear it is Teva brand T4 that made me unwell.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toVSHchocolate

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andyjs2

Changing thyroid brands, especially T3 brands, can absolutely affect how you feel. Per laws on medications, generic meds must be 80% to 125% of the potency of the brand name. And I can tell you, either end of that range can cause tiredness depending how much different your new med is. I learned this first hand and now make sure I get the same T3 manufacturer each time my prescription is refilled. If I can’t, I just know I probably will need to retitrate my dose to feel good again.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toandyjs2

In the UK, levothyroxine must be between 90 and 105% of claimed potency from manufacture through expiry date.

In the USA, levothyroxine must be between 95 and 105% of claimed potency from manufacture through expiry date.

I think many other countries are similar.

Based on usual medicine standards, not having found liothyronine-specific requirements because they are behind paywalls, we would expect:

In the UK, liothyronine must be between 90 and 110% of claimed potency from manufacture through expiry date.

In the USA, liothyronine must be between 95 and 105% of claimed potency from manufacture through expiry date.

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andyjs2 in reply tohelvella

Here’s what FDA in US says:

Yes, the FDA sets the bioequivalence standards that apply to all generic drugs in the U.S., including T3 (liothyronine sodium). The 80%-125% range for pharmacokinetic parameters like Cmax (maximum concentration) and AUC (area under the curve, representing total drug exposure) is the standard threshold for bioequivalence across most medications.

However, for drugs with a narrow therapeutic index (NTI)—where small differences in dose or blood concentration can lead to therapeutic failure or adverse effects—the FDA sometimes applies more stringent bioequivalence requirements. While levothyroxine (T4) is classified as an NTI drug and has stricter guidelines, liothyronine (T3) isn’t explicitly categorized as such by the FDA, so the general 80%-125% standard applies unless otherwise specified.

That said, because thyroid hormones are sensitive to even slight variations, many practitioners recommend patients stay consistent with either the brand or the same generic manufacturer.

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andyjs2 in reply toandyjs2

I guess my point is, always be prepared to retitrate if change T3 brands.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toandyjs2

An FDA report on a specific manufacturer of liothyronine identifies potency issues as below. That is, percentages which would fall within the 80%-125% range. It is odd that the FDA would pull them up for that if it were acceptable.

However, the ranges of potency I quoted are static assay requirements. Not Cmax and AUC measures.

• T3 6mcg capsules S/R, lot #01082019@9, Liothyronine Sodium (T3 ) potency: 86.3%;

• T3 20mcg capsules SIR, lot #01252019@7, Liothyronine Sodium (T3) potency: 116%;

fda.gov/media/124950/download

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blondpalomino

I collect the prescription green copy from the Doctors, then if my local Pharmacy doesn't have the brand I want I can go to another pharmacy. This is a bit time consuming so I phone first to see what brands they have. Usually though my local one will offer to order it if they don't have it.

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