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Hi, I'm just wanting people's advice or stories. I'm wondering if hypothyroidism is related to bad teeth? I am 39, female and since I found out I had hypothyroidism my teeth have got so bad, I have had 3 of my adult teeth removed and now I have plenty of fillings due to cavities and yesterday while eating a part of my molar come away, now I have a big hole. I'm not experiencing pain at the moment thankfully but I will probably have to get that removed now too. I brush my teeth everyday and use mouthwash in the middle of the day. I very rarely eat sugary foods or drink juice. I have never been a person that loves sweet things, my family love sweet things yet they have no problems. I follow the same routine as my family and non of them have any dental problems. Has anyone had anything similar?I am wanting to have a conversation with my dentist about my issue and whether my thyroid is causing me dental issues but I am worried incase he doesn't agree and has a bad reaction where he thinks I am just making up excuses. Please let me know what you think. Thankyou

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your previous post

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TSH 8 on 100mcg Levo

So very hypo

Presumably you have now had increase in dose to 125mcg daily

Now taking iron correctly at least 4 hours away from Levo

Retest thyroid and vitamin levels 8 weeks after changing dose

Meanwhile get vitamin D tested

NHS easy postal kit vitamin D test £31 via

vitamindtest.org.uk

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

panmerseyapc.nhs.uk/media/2...

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly when supplementing

Can test via NHS private testing service

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

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It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Recipe ideas

bbc.co.uk/food/articles/mag...

Interesting article by Dr Malcolm Kendrick on magnesium

drmalcolmkendrick.org/categ...

Vitamin K2 mk7

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healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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when you retest

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Post all about what time of day to test

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Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

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Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

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Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

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Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

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If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

Monitor My Health (NHS private test service) offer thyroid and vitamin testing, plus cholesterol and HBA1C for £65

(Doesn’t include thyroid antibodies)

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10% off code here

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Just TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 test - £32

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10% off code here

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Randox FULL thyroid test including both thyroid antibodies just £29

Test at home or in clinic

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IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 5-7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12

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grumpyold

I think there is a link between hypothyroidism and problems with teeth.I was diagnosed with periodontal disease in my 30s. My gums were receding causing gaps which allowed bacteria to reach the roots. I kept getting abcesses and had to have several root canal fillings and had a couple of teeth out. Like you, my oral hygiene was scrupulous so it wasn't me being negligent or lazy with my dental routine.

Then the bone loss started and I lost more teeth. Nothing to hold them in anymore.

At 42 I found out I was hypothyroid. The NHS never tested my antibodies. I tested privately through Medichecks and my thyroglobulin antibodies were in the 500s so I knew I was autoimmune.

Since starting on thyroid medication my gum problems have greatly improved. My routine is the same so I know they weren't due to me doing anything badly or wrong.

To be on the safe side, I do see a hygienist 4 times a year for deep de scaling with a water pic.

My periodontal disease is now under control and my gums haven't got any worse since I began thyroid meds.

Knowing what I know now, I think my mum had a thyroid problem too, though it was never diagnosed. Her gums were even worse than mine and she ended up having to have all her teeth out and dentures put in. Implants weren't a possibility due to the bone loss and she didn't fancy bone grafts in her mouth with animal or cadaver bone!😱

My dentist did agree that he thought my Hashi's was the cause of my gum problems years before it was diagnosed.

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greygoose in reply togrumpyold

Just FYI, receding gums is caused by low Human Growth Hormone. But hypos usually have low HGH because for the pituitary to make it, you need good levels of T3. So, it is indirectly due to hypo. :)

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Bearo in reply togrumpyold

I lost all but three of my teeth to gum disease in my fifties and was diagnosed hypothyroid in my sixties but felt I’d been hypo a lot longer - maybe since childhood.

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Jingley

From a personal point of view, I doubt that being hypothyroid has an effect on the teeth themselves. The gums, yes.I have periodontal disease and same as grumpyold , I see a hygienist every 3 months for a deep clean due to pockets. My hygienist and my dentist are excellent and both agree that low thyroid levels have an effect on gums.

My teeth are a different matter altogether. I have had no extractions since my teens and have a grand total of 3 fillings. 😁 (All this after avoiding the dentist for 25 years after a bad experience)

Hubby, on the other hand, is euthyroid and has had tons of extractions and the teeth that are left are full of fillings.

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greygoose in reply toJingley

See my reply to grumpyold. :)

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This paper might be of interest:

Association Between Periodontal Diseases and Hypothyroidism: A Case–Control Study

Conclusion

The findings of the current study showed that, in a cohort of adult Saudi subjects, patients with hypothyroidism have higher prevalence and more severe periodontal disease symptoms compared to controls, suggesting significant association. However, the study was not sufficiently powered to estimate the association in the general population. Further studies are required to investigate the pathophysiology of the periodontal tissue reaction and its relationship to the underlying endocrinal disorder.

dovepress.com/association-b...

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jimh111

I was going to post about the study RedApple mentions but I may as well refer to it here.

Hypothyroidism causes skin problems such as dry skin or yellow skin (carotenemia) caused by the failure to convert carotene to vitamin A. When I had this I took vitamin A as a precaution. It seems obvious that if the skin on your hands are affected other skin, such as the gums, might also be affected.

When I was hypo I had dental problems. In the early days I was experimenting with my very high dose trying to bring it down. When I was on a minimal dose for a year or two my dentist would warn me about the condition of my teeth, I didn't tell her about my thyroid dose changes as I wanted an unbiased opinion. When I increased my dose my teeth got better. I sepecifically asked her if it was my teeth or my gums, she said it was the teeth. The impact foes further than expected.

A couple of years ago I was promised a TRH stimulation test to check my pituitary. I substantially reduced my hormone dose dropping the liothyronine. After a few months I got dental problems which needed complex oral surgery. I never got the TRH test, it was a lie, that issue is still with the GMC.

So, I'm sure dental heallth is related to thyroid status. It's good to have proof at last from the Saudi study. It looks like their thyroid patients may be undermedicated, we can be sure because there are no thyroid blood test results (the researchers were dentists not endocrinologists). I think the strongest evidence is the link between duration of thyroid treatment and periodontal disease.

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Bearcubs in reply tojimh111

Thankyou so much jimh111, this is what I'm trying to explain. My teeth have been the cause of many problems in my life x

greygoose profile image
greygoose

I would say there's most definitely a connection. I have very few teeth left now despite the elaborate care I've taken of them. My brother, who is not hypo and rarely cleans his teeth still has all of his, bar one or two. Unfair or what?

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Bearcubs in reply togreygoose

Exactly, I am the same. My brother smokes, drinks energy drinks and eats crap all day, probably brushes his teeth once a week and he has nearly all his teeth, I do non of those I eat plenty of salads and vegetables and my teeth are ruined. Honestly at this point I would prefer it if they removed all my teeth and give me dentures lol x

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greygoose in reply toBearcubs

Yes, I asked the dentist to take out all my teeth when I had the last lot extracted. But they're not keep on removing teeth that are still ok. They'd rather work round them! Crazy when you know that eventually they're all going to drop out, break or whatever. But I suppose they get more money that way.

I've spoken to several dentists about hypo affecting teeth, but no, none of them know anything about it, and for them my problems are all because I don't brush my teeth properly! Makes me so mad!!! If your teeth do not contain the correct building blocks, toothpaste is not going to save them!

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