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Bit new to all this so please bear with. 2 months ago my TSH was 3.8 so no T4 was done. Having lots of Hypo symptoms (both my mum and her mum were hypo so I’m familiar with the signs) but GP said all ok.

Scroll forward 2 months and my TSH is 0.1 and T4 is 15 (within normal I know) but my Hypo symptoms are still there including hoarse voice, hair dropping etc. My weight has dropped a bit but that’s probably through worry!

Do they fluctuate like this before deciding what side, hypo or hyper? What should I ask GP to do, as it seems they need a push these days 🙁

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Could you add reference ranges for your results (as these can vary between laboratories)

What dose of Levothyroxine are you taking?

I would ask for key thyroid vitamins to be tested (ferritin, folate, B12 and vit D) as these support thyroid health. It would also be useful to know FT3 levels for a complete picture of your thyroid health. If GP unable to do this, look to do this privately, as many (myself included) do.

Have you ever had thyroid antibodies tested to confirm an autoimmune condition, aka Hashimotos?

Even though your TSH has fallen under 1, this does not indicate hyperthyroidism. It is possible to have ‘hyper like’ symptoms with hypothyroidism.

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L154C0 in reply toBuddy195

TSH: 0.1 (0.3 - 5)

T4: 15.7 (7 - 20)

Ferritin: 130 (15 - 200)

B12: 413 (180 - 900)

Folate: 12.8 (4 - 20)

Interestingly, my results from 2 months ago showed my ferritin at 57.

I’m not on any medication at the moment but my symptoms are all over the place so I’m wondering if I should ask for antibody tests to rule out Hashimotos.

I’m to do a repeat blood test in 1 month and have booked it for 08:20 having read invaluable advice on here. It’s just that everything’s a fight with the GP and my energy level is rubbish at best!

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Buddy195Administrator in reply toL154C0

I would look to introduce a good B complex, such as Thorne Basic B or Ingennus Super B to optimise B vitamins.

Definitely ask for thyroid antibodies to be checked (highly likely if other family members have similar)

Have you ever trialled a gluten free diet? This is definitely worth a trial for a couple of months to see if it benefits you.

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Autoimmune hypothyroid disease- Hashimoto’s frequently starts with slightly hyper phase….this is not true hyperthyroid….but caused by excess thyroid hormone being released as cells are breaking down

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once to see if your hypothyroidism is autoimmune

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Significant minority of Hashimoto’s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

NHS only tests TG antibodies if TPO are high

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Essential to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Lower vitamin levels more common as we get older

For good conversion of Ft4 (levothyroxine) to Ft3 (active hormone) we must maintain GOOD vitamin levels

What vitamin supplements are you taking

Also VERY important to test TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 together

What is reason for your hypothyroidism

Autoimmune?

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Post all about what time of day to test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Randox FULL thyroid test including both thyroid antibodies just £29

Test at home or in clinic

randoxhealth.com/en-GB/at-h...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

IMPORTANT......once you start on vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 5-7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12

Post discussing how biotin can affect test results

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

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L154C0 in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you so much for all this info. I’ve ordered a Blue Horizon test kit so I can get a better picture hopefully. Having symptoms at odds with results is confusing but your explanation of a possibly slightly hyper phase makes sense.

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