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Discussed on R4 Today this morning, around 7:30.
Why on earth can't we put the same money into actually treating the thyroid issues that are probably behind at least some people's obesity?
Rhetorical question, I know or can guess at most of the reasons. I wonder if it's worth writing to the new health minister and making this point?
Why on earth can't we put the same money into actually treating the thyroid issues that are probably behind at least some people's obesity?
Bit of root cause... we can only hope it might catch on
I was watching this insanity unfold yesterday. Another ‘no real thinking required’ step for the doctor’s bag. The few people this will truly work for and the millions it will cost hardly bears thinking about.
Another cookie cutter process where actual thinking is unnecessary.
This reminds me of helvella post yesterday? About the logic of statins, heart issues and thyroid. Same old nonsense.
I would love to be a doctor with no conscience. A job where the only line of thought is “How can I keep picking up this wonderful pay and safely watch my own back?”
This wholesale move can get past NICE? Useless.
I see another health scandal on the horizon.
I think who it will *really* work for are Lilly, the company who make the drug, and were trumpeted at this investment shindig yesterday (oh dear, removal of that pesky red tape again...).
I missed helvella's post but it's an interesting topic, will have a look later. I'm going for a walk now to hopefully see some seals, and take my mind off it (on hols this week :))
I hwd a relative on Ozempic for type 2 diabetes, he did lose a lot of weight but that wasnt the real purpose of it, it was to control his dangerously high blood sugar. I have several concerns, one these drugs are not side effect or risk free, they can cause constant nausea, low blood sugar especially in non diabetics, diahorrea or constipation, bloating, stomach upset, gas, headaches and excess sweating, to name but a few.
And people who have come off of the report massive increaases in hunger, known as rebound hunger. So unless you are intending to stay on them indefinitely they are just a tempirary fix.
2. They dont address the underlying causes of obesity, poverty, too much processed or cheap food, lack of cooking skills, lack of time and energy to prepare nutrious meals. Some people live in food deserts where there are no healthy choices, its all takeaways selling rubbish. Or health problems that are untreated like thyroid, PCOS, depression etc.
3. How many people are out of work because of weight. Unless you are frankly huge I find it very unlikely that the DWP would sign you off for size alone. They arent known for their kindness and you would need proof of disabling co morbidities like heart disease, strokes.
4. My diabetic relative found once these jabs started being offered for weight loss it greatly interfered with his ability to get his supply, often his meds were delayed or missed off, meaning they constantly had to chase them up. People need these meds for diabetes. Offering them to ever more people wont help already struggling supply chains.
As far as I see it the only winner here are the pharmaceutical companies. Not the NHS, patients or taxpayers.
'As far as I see it the only winner here are the pharmaceutical companies. '
You forgot the 'off-label' prescribing market, who prey on desperate people. And don't forget the scammers, some of whom lurk right here on this forum.
Good point, there has been a big surge in fake weight loss drugs, with very serious side effects. I dont know how these people live with themselves.
#3 is the thought I had. I don't understand how they've connected being overweight to being out of work.
How many people are out of work because of weight.
Exactly; I wonder if it's often other health conditions that cause the weight gain AND the problems that prevent people working. E.g. the debilitating brain fog of untreated hypothyroidism that is brushed off by the GP as "everyone gets tired", and you're too foggy to explain what you mean and fight your corner...
Just thinking, for lots of us, it's not us that are a drain on the NHS, more the other way around!
Its a rather nasty and cliched sterotype of people who are out of work as well, fat, feckless, lazy. There are dozens of reasons that people might not be working, ill health, studying, volunteering, caring for relatives, they might be independently well off and not need to work or they might have taken early retirement.
Covid made a lot of people rethink their work life balance and many decided to work to live, not live to work. Despite what employers would like you to believe, not everyone wants to work themselves into an early grave.
And another point, we currently have over 7 million people on NHS waiting lists, people waiting to see a consultant or have an operation. How many people are unable to work because there are long delays for diagnosis and treatment? Why dont Labour put the money they are using for fat jabs to better use and get the existing waiting lists down?
I saw this on the news at lunchtime and my first thought was 'how ridiculous'.
I have, at different times in the past, worked with two larger ladies. One had PCOS and the other admitted that she liked her chocolate and cakes a little too much. Neither of them took more time off work than any other members of staff.
There's usually a reason for someone's weight gain, either physical or psychological. If the underlying cause was treated properly, there wouldn't be an issue.
Let the diabetic people have their injections before offering it to the unemployed. I have been unable to get mine for 5 weeks!!!!!!
harumph chunter chunter .... since when does being fat mean you can't work ?
i've worked with plenty of very overweight people in my life .... the majority of of them were very productive , and the rest of em were no worse than your average skinny skiver.
i really struggle to work 8 hrs a week , and doing so means i can't do much/ anything for the rest of it ,...... and since they phased out working tax credit , there is no other benefit i am eligible for, so i'll have to work till i get a pension.
if anything , i'm slightly underweight.
where's my help ?
can i have a 'steak and rainbow trout' subsidy please ?
I guess the thinking is if you are fat and work or not you are going to need treatment for hip and knee replacements etc sooner and it's all about cost cutting isn't it? But if these fat people lose their appetite it will create a downturn in taxes paid by large fast food outlets... if they even actually pay any?
It's such a massive crock of 💩(poo) on every level... I'm disappointed 😞(disappointed face)
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