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New hypo diagnosis-your help needed/appreciated!

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Hi All,

I’ve recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I’m a 39yo woman with 2 kids and I work full time. I was a keen runner/v active until a few weeks ago.

My T4 level was 7.8 and my TSH 48…I’m two weeks into talking 50mcg of Levothyroxine which I take in the morning strictly 1 hour before eating/caffeine.

I think I feel WORSE not better. Sigh. My mid afternoon ‘crashes’ are massively debilitating and impacting everyday life.

I have an appointment with the Dr next week (early June) and would appreciate advice on questions I should ask or next steps that I should push for. Can you help?

I’d be so grateful for the collective wisdom of this forum. Huge thanks in advance for your help!!!! Feeling a bit anxious and hopeless about it all…..

THANK YOU.

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welcome to the forum

Yes common to initially feel worse on starter dose

Levothyroxine doesn’t top up our own thyroid output, it very quickly starts to replace it (due to feedback mechanism. As TSH starts to reduce on levothyroxine, your own thyroid stops trying so hard)

Standard STARTER dose is 50mcg

Likely to need several further increases in dose over coming 6-18 months

Bloods should be retested 6-8 weeks after each dose change or brand change in levothyroxine

Which brand of levothyroxine have you started on

Many people find different brands are not easily interchangeable

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once to see if your hypothyroidism is autoimmune

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Significant minority of Hashimoto’s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Dose levothyroxine will be increased slowly upwards in 25mcg steps until symptoms resolve and TSH is below 2

Most important results are always Ft4 and Ft3.

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Merlsworld in reply toSlowDragon

Thanks so much for this. Hugely helpful to take to my next appointment.

I’m in the Accord brand of Levothyroxine. I’m not sure if that helps/means anything?

I’ll ask for a full thyroid evaluation and see where I get to. Thanks again!

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toMerlsworld

Many people find Levothyroxine brands are not interchangeable.

Most easily available (and often most easily tolerated) are Mercury Pharma or Accord

Mercury Pharma make 25mcg, 50mcg and 100mcg tablets 

Mercury Pharma also boxed as Eltroxin. Both often listed by company name on pharmacy database - Advanz

Accord only make 50mcg and 100mcg tablets.

Accord is also boxed as Almus via Boots, 

Wockhardt is very well tolerated, but only available in 25mcg tablets. Some people remain on Wockhardt, taking their daily dose as a number of tablets 

Lactose free brands - currently Teva or Vencamil only

Teva makes 25mcg, 50mcg, 75mcg and 100mcg

Many patients do NOT get on well with Teva brand of Levothyroxine.

Teva is lactose free.But Teva contains mannitol as a filler instead of lactose, which seems to be possible cause of problems. Mannitol seems to upset many people, it changes gut biome 

But for some people (usually if lactose intolerant, Teva is by far the best option)

Teva is the only brand that makes 75mcg tablet.

So if avoiding Teva for increase to 75mcg dose ask extra 50mcg tablets to cut in half to get 25mcg

Vencamil (currently 100mcg only) is lactose free and mannitol free. 25mcg and 50mcg tablets hopefully available from summer 2024

March 2023 - Aristo now called Vencamil

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Helpful post about different brands

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List of different brands available in U.K.

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Posts that mention Teva

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Teva poll

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Once you find a brand that suits you, best to make sure to only get that one at each prescription.

Watch out for brand change when dose is increased or at repeat prescription.

Government guidelines for GP in support of patients if you find it difficult/impossible to change brands

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If a patient reports persistent symptoms when switching between different levothyroxine tablet formulations, consider consistently prescribing a specific product known to be well tolerated by the patient.

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Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

And here

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Discussed here too

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Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

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No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

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Guidelines of dose Levo by weight

approx how much do you weigh in kilo

Even if we frequently start on only 50mcg, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or near full replacement dose

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Guiding Treatment with Thyroxine:

In the majority of patients 50-100 μg thyroxine can be used as the starting dose. Alterations in dose are achieved by using 25-50 μg increments and adequacy of the new dose can be confirmed by repeat measurement of TSH after 2-3 months.

The majority of patients will be clinically euthyroid with a ‘normal’ TSH and having thyroxine replacement in the range 75-150 μg/day (1.6ug/Kg on average).

The recommended approach is to titrate thyroxine therapy against the TSH concentration whilst assessing clinical well-being. The target is a serum TSH within the reference range.

……The primary target of thyroxine replacement therapy is to make the patient feel well and to achieve a serum TSH that is within the reference range. The corresponding FT4 will be within or slightly above its reference range.

The minimum period to achieve stable concentrations after a change in dose of thyroxine is two months and thyroid function tests should not normally be requested before this period has elapsed.

Some people need a bit less than guidelines, some a bit more

TSH should be under 2 as an absolute maximum when on levothyroxine

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

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Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine

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If symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite normalisation of TSH, the dose of levothyroxine can be titrated further to place the TSH in the lower part of the reference range or even slightly below (i.e., TSH: 0.1–2.0 mU/L), but avoiding TSH < 0.1 mU/L. Use of alternate day dosing of different levothyroxine strengths may be needed to achieve this (e.g., 100 mcg for 4 days; 125 mcg for 3 days weekly).

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Merlsworld in reply toSlowDragon

Thanks. I’m 65kg and approx 177cm (5 ft 10).

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toMerlsworld

So you might eventually be on something between 100mcg and 112.5mcg daily

65kg x 1.6mcg = 104mcg

possibly 725mcg per week

100mcg x 5 days and 112.5mcg x 2 days per week

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Merlsworld in reply toSlowDragon

Amazing. Thank you. All noted and useful to have in mind when chatting to the Dr.

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Dr can think………get TSH anywhere within range …..job done

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