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vegan preference for hypo has serious risks

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I would say that my wife and I eat the healthiest we have done in decades recently with our 5+ fruit and veg a day and mindful of sensible eating options but a priority around a vegetable based regime with some fish and chicken.

I felt we are being very sensible but was very surprised to find my B12 levels right off from a test this week - they had been over range 4 years ago and now down to lower part of range.

The obvious choice now is a b12 supplement that I will start ASAP, but would much prefer to run with minimal supplements bar magnesium - so thinking about the need for more fish like mackerel high in B12 and. D perhaps now most days for lunch ….

Just shows the importance of regular health monitoring and for me sufficient protein choices to provide D. A and B12 which seem to be lacking when flesh meat is removed

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Hedgeree

Hi Danielj1,

As you say regular monitoring can be important if you eat a restrictive diet. I've found yeast extract and nutritional yeast both very good sources of bioavailable B12 for those eating a plant based diet.

I believe that mackerel is not a very high source of naturally occurring B12 levels beef liver has much higher levels. Though you have to be mindful of not consuming too much vitamin A and only eating it once a week.

Ferritin is another problem for those on restrictive diets. I'm struggling to improve mine but will keep on trying.

An American site so some aspects possibly not relevant to the UK but interesting reading:

ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/V...

Sources of B12 for meat eaters, vegetarians and vegans:

hollandandbarrett.com/the-h...

Best wishes.

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Danielj1 in reply to Hedgeree

that’s really helpful and thank you !

If I may ask a follow up question, is it ok to take b12 by beef liver capsules each day to not overload on vit A?

Thanks

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Hedgeree in reply to Danielj1

Sorry Danielj1,

I really don't know.

I'd be checking the amounts of vitamin A contained in the supplement that you're considering taking.

There may hopefully be someone on the forum who is knowledgeable about such a supplement.

Best wishes.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to Hedgeree

Bear in mind that the B12 in Marmite (for one example) is added as an ingredient. Thus it is not really any different to taking a supplement.

Ingredients

Yeast extract (contains BARLEY, WHEAT, OATS, RYE), salt, vegetable juice concentrate, vitamins (thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B12 and folic acid), natural flavouring (contains CELERY).

unileverfoodsolutions.co.uk...

Other yeast extracts will have different ingredients and/or quantities.

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Hedgeree in reply to helvella

True though it makes for a pleasant savoury drink if you like the taste of yeast extract and getting a boost of B12 at the same time.

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buddy99

Vegetables high in vitamin A

Your body can produce vitamin A from carotenoids found in plants.

These carotenoids include beta-carotene and alpha-carotene, which are collectively known as provitamin A.

However, about 45% of people carry a genetic mutation that significantly reduces their ability to convert provitamin A into vitamin A

Depending on your genetics, the following vegetables might provide considerably less vitamin A than indicated. Therefore the need for supplementation would arise. The source for this nutritional information is Healthline.

1. Sweet potato, baked

1 cup (200 g) contains 1,920 mcg retinol activity equivalents (RAE), or 213% of the DV (26Trusted Source).

2. Butternut squash, baked

1 cup (205 g) contains 1,140 mcg RAE, or 127% of the DV (27Trusted Source).

3. Kale, cooked

1 cup (118 g) contains 172 mcg RAE, or 19% of the DV (28Trusted Source).

4. Collard greens, cooked

1 cup (190 g) contains 722 mcg RAE, or 80% of the DV (29Trusted Source).

5. Turnip greens, cooked

1 cup (144 g) contains 549 mcg RAE, or 61% of the DV (30Trusted Source).

6. Carrots, cooked

1 cup (155 g) contains 1,280 mcg RAE, or 142% of the DV (31Trusted Source).

7. Sweet red pepper, raw

1 large (164 g) sweet red pepper contains 257 mcg RAE, or 29% of the DV (32Trusted Source).

8. Swiss chard, cooked

1 cup (175 g) contains 536 mcg RAE, or 60% of the DV (33Trusted Source).

9. Spinach, cooked

1 cup (180 g) contains 943 mcg RAE, or 105% of the DV (34Trusted Source).

10. Romaine lettuce, raw

1 cup (47 g) contains 205 mcg RAE, or 23% of the DV (35Trusted Source).

Fruits high in vitamin A

Provitamin A is generally more abundant in vegetables than fruits.

However, a few types of fruit provide good amounts, as shown below.

1. Mango

1 cup (165 g) contains 89 mcg RAE, or 10% of the DV (36Trusted Source).

2. Cantaloupe

1 cup (160 g) contains 270 mcg RAE, or 30% of the DV (37Trusted Source).

3. Grapefruit

Half a grapefruit (154 g) contains 89 mcg RAE, or 10% of the DV (38Trusted Source).

4. Watermelon

1 cup (155 g) contains 43 mcg RAE, or 5% of the DV (39Trusted Source).

5. Papaya

1 cup (165 g) contains 78 mcg RAE, or 9% of the DV (40Trusted Source).

6. Apricot

Two apricots (70 g) contain 67 mcg RAE, or 7% of the DV (41Trusted Source).

7. Tangerine

One tangerine (109 g) contains 37 mcg RAE, or 4% of the DV (42Trusted Source).

8. Nectarine

One nectarine (140 g) contains 29 mcg RAE, or 3% of the DV (43Trusted Source).

9. Guava

Two guavas (110 g) contain 34 mcg RAE, or 4% of the DV (44Trusted Source).

10. Passion fruit

Two passion fruits (36 g) contain 23 mcg RAE, or 3% of the DV (45Trusted Source).

Like vitamins D, E and K vitamin A is fat soluble and needs to be consumed with some source of fat (salad with olive oil for example).

From what I understand, deficiency of B12 and D is not limited to vegans, who need to take those vitamins as supplements. If you wanted to be or continue to be on a whole food plant based diet, which is not necessarily vegan (veganism is a lifestyle, which includes more than diet, as you might know), I hope this information is helpful. If I have given information that is already known, I apologize. It is always difficult to figure out what is known and what is not. Testing for deficiencies is definitely a good idea, especially since people with thyroid issues seem to be more susceptible.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to buddy99

Also, when hypothyroid, the ability to convert these carotenoids can be impaired.

There can be clear evidence for this as some people end up with anything from a slight to a pronounced orange tone to their skin - called carotenoderma caused by carotenaemia (high blood levels of carotenoids). And this can happen without any significant change in their vegetable intake.

It has been suggested this impairment can result in low vitamin A despite massive vegetable intake.

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buddy99 in reply to helvella

Hence the last sentence in the post. If the mutation is not present the thyroid might get us. ;)

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to buddy99

But very few are ever tested for vitamin A! On the basis deficiency is uncommon in the UK. And few associate thyroid and vitamin A issues.

(If you don't look, you don't find.)

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

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buddy99 in reply to helvella

Thanks for that link.

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humanbean in reply to buddy99

Your body can produce vitamin A from carotenoids found in plants.

That may be true for healthy people but isn't necessarily true for those who are hypothyroid or those with certain gene types.

thyroiduk.org/role-of-vitam...

naturalendocrinesolutions.c...

functionalps.com/blog/2012/...

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buddy99 in reply to humanbean

Hence the last sentence in the post. If the mutation is not present the thyroid might get us. ;)

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