Keen to do things through my skin rather than my stomach where feasible...plenty of skin only one rather delicate stomach!
No rabbits or amigos this evening..... well, you never know 🙃
Edit.... Interesting, not much feed back on the calcium aspect... I'm off to find a rabbit hole 😉
Another way to get magnesium through your skin is by using Epsom salts in your bath water, or soak your feet in it. drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Mineral...
No rabbits or amigos this evening..... well, you never know 🙃
Beg to differ—that cryptic comment sent me off to read your last post, cos I had no idea what you were getting at! 😂 Methylation rabbit hole well and truly fallen down…
Many swear by skin absorption of magnesium—haven’t tried that one but it should work well. People have been bathing with Epsom salts for years after all!
Magnesium is good, you probably need it. But, do you really need the calcium? You don't want to over-dose on that.
Yeah, my calcium is lagging as once you take dairy out it really drops away, I used the calculator thingy (below) and I get less than 500mg a week when they recommend 1000mg a day!
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Are you lactose intolerant, then? Have you tried goat milk and cheese? It's more easily tolerated.
Lactose and casein, I've got some goat kefir coming tomorrow to experiment with that 🤞
It's absolutely not all about the lactose. Pretty sure my body has issues with the proteins in dairy. Just FYI.
Yes, I know that. That was what you might call a probing question, to see what she answered. 
I swear I tried every form of dairy from sheeps to raw milk. None worked.😭
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Well, it's rather a strange thing to be eating, anyway - it's meant for baby animals. So, not surprising if a lot of people can't take it.
Ha. I said that to a CFS consultant once and he looked hurt. 😂
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I agree, it is an oddity as most of the world don't use it as we do. I have no issue living without it but looking to balance my intake of essential nutrients and a health gut biome
Although I don't drink milk, I do love my butter, cream and cheese. And, milk is so useful in cooking - can't make a baked custard without milk! So, I would miss it terribly. But, I do try to stick to goat milk. I think cow milk upsets my stomach.
Yeah alright stop rubbing it in! I'm so over it! NOT 😧😱😂
How goaty is goats milk... is it like there is one in the room?
I'm over it before I've even tried it 😆
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No, it's not like there's one in the room - thank god! I once received a goat skin rug for Christmas and THAT smelt like there was a goat in the room!
No, frankly, I don't think I could tell the difference from cow milk in a blind test. Same with goat butter. As for cheese, it varies. Some is incredibly goaty, couldn't eat it if you paid me. And, others are very mild and pleasant.
Phew😅... I rather like goats and ferrets as entertaining creatures but phew they pong, I quite happily milked cows for years
Have you dabbled in kefir?
Yes, I like them too. My daughter has a ferret, and he doesn't smell. But he sure is entertaining! lol
No, I've never tried kefir. It's not sold here, and I've never fancied trying to make it myself.
I used to make moo kefir as we have a supply of green organic milk close by (still couldn't tolerate it) Think I've still got the grains in the freezer if you fancy a go?
I don't know of any local goats so I'm kinda hoping it'll be another NO! 🤗
I don't hold out much hope if anything I think it's the protein casein, I did try some A2 only cheese.... body said NO!
MAGNESIUM - SERUM
28 Oct 2022
0.84mmol/L (0.7 - 1)
I've got a bone profile with my next lot of blood tests... not had one before is it likely to be of any use?
I've no idea, I've never had one. Here, in France, no-one has ever shown the slightest interest in my bones!
I'll let you know 😉
I'm guessing in France they assume you eat cheese at least once a day 😉
We-ell... Even if you did, it wouldn't necessarily save your bones, because there's a lot more to a bone than just calcium.
Googled...
A bone profile blood test analyses the proteins, minerals and enzymes present in your bones. These nutrients support healthy bone structure and development. A bone profile of blood tests helps to determine how well your body's metabolic processes are affecting your skeleton.
When should you have a bone profile test?
Liver disease and thyroid problems – A bone profile may be used for diagnosing problems with the thyroid and parathyroid which have an important role in maintaining the balance of levels of calcium phosphorus. The test may detect problems with the liver where many proteins and enzymes are produced.
A bone profile may be used for diagnosing problems with the thyroid and parathyroid
Wow! I bet not many doctors know that!
No! I was surprised to see that, might be more useful than I first thought?
How is calcium concentration in the body regulate?
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Blood calcium levels are regulated by parathyroid hormone (PTH), which is produced by the parathyroid glands. PTH is released in response to low blood calcium levels. It increases calcium levels by targeting the skeleton, the kidneys, and the intestine.8 Jun 2022
Since the parathyroid regulates calcium, you'd have thought they did.
As this thread is a bit of a mess, now, I'm not sure quite what you're referring to.
Sorry, yes it is, that was a reply to you saying that doctors probably didn't really the use of bone profiles to see the effect on thyroid and parathyroid
Hope you don't mind me butting in here on your post but I didn't get a reply to my previous post when I was informed that my bone scan was awful with severe degenerative changes from 3 years ago which weren't expected. I went dairy and gluten free about 18 months ago and my calcium levels taken by my GP were as follows: Serum calcium level 2.35 mmol/L (2.2-2.6); Serum albumin level 42 g/L (35.0-50.0); Serum adjusted calcium concentration 2.31 mmol/L (2.2-2.26) and have been put back on Alendronic Acid which I had been off for 18 mths. If anyone has any idea how good or bad these levels are and whether I should be still taking K2, I would be extremely grateful.
Hi Delgor,
You are very welcome but you might get more of a response by starting a new thread. I'm certainly intrigued to find out more 😉
I do wonder how blood tests for calcium help unless they are more of a reading as to what is leaching out of your bones?
I know zero about a bone profile test but K2 should be taken with vit D to help direct it towaards the bones. So I'd say yes to K2 for you.
Thanks but as I've been put back on Alendronic Acid which is meant to do the same thing I wondered if I might be overdoing it by taking both - will have to investigate further but thanks again for replying.
adjusted calcium concentration 2.31 mmol/L (2.2-2.26)
I think your range is sqwiffy 2.2 -2.63 seems the norm?
I've double checked and that is the range on the printout so don't know what to think but thanks again.
My range is the same as yours. Keep an eye on that level as it is creeping over range.
Hi Partner, I obviously should have started another thread but was too weary last night but can I just ask you what level is creeping over range as I don't have a clue about calcium levels
Partner20 The sqwiffy range I was querying you are over... but if you look at mine using your range I'm far worse?!
I am at a loss - hopefully Partner may be able to throw some light on this. So sorry once again for butting in on your magnesium post - sometimes don't think and just act ......
Let's hope Partner20 can expand, absolutely don't apologise it's has opened up a whole new avenue of learning and knowledge... I should have been more specific with my query as it's really the transdermal calcium that's of most interest not the magnesium.
You can still start a new post it will attract more answers which I'll be looking for answers in a couple of weeks😉
The adjusted calcium level is what the endo is most concerned with, even if the others are out of range.
Intriguing this is from my records (Gloucestershire) from 11/6/2019
Serum adjusted calcium concentration (Xabpk) 2.49 mmol/L [2.2 - 2.63]
Serum calcium level (XE2q3) 2.45 mmol/L [2.2 - 2.63]
Perhaps it's mine that's crook!?
They do say that magnesium blood results are highly unreliable although I'm unsure what basis for that is. That said, I was given 2 IV bags of magnesium in hospital once, presumably on the basis of a blood test. All this vitamin stoofs is fraught with exclusion clauses!
They are unreliable, yes, because of the way the body handles magnesium. Not quite sure of the details, but your result can look good, but you can still be deficient.
I was surprised to see it as part of the Advanced Well Woman Medichecks test
especially if it's possibly misleading?
Yes, I'm surprised they still do it. Before I knew much about it, I asked my GP to test my magnesium - well, he did say 'and what else would you like?' (maybe he was being sarcastic? lol) - but he refused saying that it was a very expensive test and not much use. So, I've never had mine tested.
the serum magnesium test only tests the 1% of mag that is stored in your blood the rest is in other parts of your body and the body is very strict at maintaining magnesium levels in blood by pulling magnesium from rest of body. So you can be deficent in the other 99% but your serum test shows levels as ok. It’s a red blood cell magnesium test that is more accurate but very hard to get atm. Medichecks used to do it but not now
Excellent knowledge 👏 thanks for sharing
So presumably the test is only any use at showing if you are over supplementing?
I think it means if you’re deficent on the regular GP serum test you’re definitely deficent. Otherwise level is so tightly controlled by body no way of knowing if you’re deficent the other 99%. Wish rbc test was available again … think it’s to do with how quickly it needs to be at the lab.
sorry yeah I’m not sure about it showing if you’re over supplementing as perhaps magnesium supplements go into blood stream first before being moved to rest of the body …? So it may show up as higher just temporarily. That’s a good question
Thanks Holiday.... I sense another rabbit hole has just opened up 🤣 oh for the joy of an inquiring mind, having spent so many years as a zombie
yes it’s annoying not being able to just test everything properly and know exactly what’s causing it… having to do too much guess work. It’s horrible having to get used to being like a zombie for so long and having to accept it’s the best they can do. X
I agree, I free a whole lot more confident in my guess work than theirs these days and getting much better results thankfully... all down to this forum 👏👏
I used a magnesium only spray planetorganic.com/products/... for a while. Didn’t buy it from this link, was from local health food store. Was a bit stingy / tingly for a while but eventually got used to it. I found if I sprayed it on my flabbiest bits it stung less.I think it made me a bit ‘loose’ though.
I preferred this one I had before it. betteryou.com/products/magn... but used up quickly and cost a bit much.
I’ve switched to a capsule magnesium glycinate to compare and definitely better in the bowel movement department. But still early days.
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Magnesium does seem to be a bit of a tricky one....
I've been using this complex below but I wonder if it's the reason I have to get up to pee 3 times a night now? I'm midway up the magnesium scale and wondered if this would kill 3 birds with one stone as it were... though I quite like listing to the tawny owls hoot whilst I pee 😏
I used a complex for a while but firstly my gut sometimes complains, secondly I'm now on T3 twice a day, probably 3x in a while and magnesium needs to be 4hrs away from thyroid hormone. Hence I use a topical 'oil' spray now. They all seem to be a similar strength so may as well choose on cost basis. I'm also a fan of epsom salt/magnesium flake baths. 🛀
It is a juggle fitting everything in, in a day! Lovely to have a long hot epsom soak
I'm intrigued with the idea of combining it with calcium transdermally
I can't comment about the calcium aspect myself. Just know it's not recommended to supplement unless prescribed.
You can make your own magnesium spray by buying magnesium chloride flakes and making a 33% solution (33 g of flakes dissolved in 67 g of warm distilled water). Put it in a spray bottle. Much cheaper. It also works as an underarm deodorant so I avoid all the chemicals in bought deodorants.
I have been using Magnesium Orothate, it is a type of Magnesium that least affects your stomach and is easiest to digest. It was recommended by my homeopathic doctor, and it works very well for me, as I have a sensitive stomach.
Interesting, time for a switch! Thanks
I looked through them all and thought this complex might cover it but it has taurate which I see lowers cortisol possibly not what I need 🤔
Orotic acid comes from milk products... I wonder if this will be an issue?
Are you dairy intolerant?
Your thoughts please lovely people
New and in need of some thoughts please
New results, anyone's thoughts please.
