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Hi everyone,

I was hoping someone may connect with what i am going through and share there experience's i am a 49 year old male and this is my story.

Woke up one morning with a bruised throat from top to bottom as if i had been kicked in the throat. After 2-3 days I started to feel very strange feverish hot n cold chills, i went on my running machine as i normally do which was a bad idea . I had to stop as i started to get bad heart palpitations for about an hour nearly calling an ambulance. After 4-5 days i started to get these attacks every 1-2 days starting with my throat swelling and a feeling of a lump between my collar bone and edams apple, also heart palpitations, surges waves flushes, anxiety pending doom. These attacks last for a few hours but the heart palpitations can carry on for hours. This has been going on now for 4 months and now have other symptoms like tender collar bones, hearing noises now really irritates me when having an attack.

had blood work 12 Jan all normal, ECG for 5 mins at GP surgery all normal, waiting for Holter monitor 10 Feb.

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Welcome to the forum

Presumably GP has done thyroid and vitamin testing? ….. do you have any actual blood test results?

if not will need to get hold of copies.

You are legally entitled to printed copies of your blood test results and ranges.

The best way to get access to current and historic blood test results is to register for online access to your medical record and blood test results

UK GP practices are supposed to offer everyone online access for blood test results. Ring and ask if this is available and apply to do so if possible, if it is you may need "enhanced access" to see blood results.

Link re access

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

In reality many GP surgeries do not have blood test results online yet

Alternatively ring receptionist and request printed copies of results. Allow couple of days and then go and pick up.

Important to see exactly what has been tested and equally important what hasn’t been tested yet

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested for autoimmune thyroid disease

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins by DIY fingerprick test

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

If you can get GP to test vitamins and antibodies then cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off down to £26.10 if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/

NHS easy postal kit vitamin D test £29 via

vitamindtest.org.uk

If TPO or TG thyroid antibodies are high this is usually due to Hashimoto’s with a goitre (commonly known in UK as autoimmune thyroid disease).

Ord’s is autoimmune without goitre.

About 90% of all primary hypothyroidism in Uk is due to Hashimoto’s.

Low vitamin levels are particularly common with Hashimoto’s.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

List of hypothyroid symptoms

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-un...

Had you had Covid or Covid vaccination before this happened?

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togstarr in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you ever so for all the info and your reply much appreciated thank you, i am still studying my blood results TPO 4 iu/ml and TSH 0.66 mu/l

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togstarr in reply to togstarr

had my first jab 2-3 months after this all started.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Have you had evaluation for De Quervains thyroiditis

thyroiduk.org/related-condi...

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togstarr in reply to SlowDragon

No ! Will look that one up.Thanks for your reply

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DippyDame

If you suspect it's a thyroid problem you need to have a full thyroid test.Suggest you consult your GP

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togstarr in reply to DippyDame

Still studying my blood results TPO 4 iu/ml and TSH 0.66 mu/l

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If you are going to get a blood test to check your thyroid hormones, ensure you get the earliest blood draw (fasting - but you can drink water). Do not take any medication before blood draw but take afterwards.

I am not medically qualified but if your heart is playing up, it could be due to you not providing sufficient thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones are T3 and T4. T3 (liothyronine is the active thyroid hormone and it drives our whole metabolism - heart and brain contain the most. T4 (levothyronine) is the inactive hormone and has to convert to T3.

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togstarr in reply to shaws

Still studying my blood results TPO 4 iu/ml and TSH 0.66 mu/l

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shawsAdministrator in reply to togstarr

They both seem fine. I've never bothered much with results but with how 'I feel' on a particular replacement.

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WildDeer

Did you do a Covid test when you started with symptoms? I'm wondering whether you tried to push on through a virus-maybe not Covid but one of the other nasty ones with throat symptoms and aching ?

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togstarr in reply to WildDeer

Yes! Came back negative, did start with bruised throat turned into swollen tonsils

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saritadelmar

You are getting good advice here, and I would like to add my thoughts. Your question is Thyroid or Heart? They are related. The thyroid regulates the heartbeat, but that doesn't mean that your heart should not be independently checked out. I have had issues with abruptly waking in the middle of the night with tightness of the throat and a very irregular heartbeat that would last for an hour or two. Of course, this created immediate anxiety and fear of death so that my adrenal glands shot out their hormones and I rushed to the hospital only to be sent home after being monitored until dawn. I was told to follow up with my GP and cardiologist. Both for ten years had no clue as to why this is/was happening anywhere from two to three times a year. I developed PVCs (benign, premature ventricular contractions) that would come and go during the daytime and sometimes would vanish for a few weeks and then come back.

Fast-forward- ten years later: After going through two cardiologists' probes into the issue, I finally found a cardiologist who dug a bit deeper and found after a sleep test, among other tests, that I have sleep apnea. Apparently, when I stop breathing at night my heart is starved of oxygen and I wake up with my heart struggling to adjust with a radically irregular beat. I am not saying that you have the same problem, but that it may take time for you to discover the actual cause. My present cardiologist has calmed my nerves and assures me that it is unnecessary to always run to the ER because he says my heart is functioning normally, although a bit jumpy. I was prescribed a CPAP, however, along with that I am exploring tongue and throat exercises that seem to affect my sleep patterns positively. And there are other alternatives other than forced air.

My advice to you would be to find out exactly what your TSH, T3, and T4 are and their ranges and post them for the knowledgeable people here to comment. Also, since your doctors have stated that your tests so far are in the normal range, an important practice would be to try to stay calm when you are having your episodes so that you do not further exacerbate the issue. Adrenaline stimulates the heart and creates panic so that, if you were an animal, you could run from danger.

Step by step you will come to the cause of your issues and to the solution. It may be in a totally surprising way, as it was for me when diagnosed with apnea. I take levothyroxine and liothyronine and it works for me. Also after giving up a certain cheese I was eating, my daytime palpitations diminished drastically. Explore all kinds of things calmly and eventually you will come out of the woods. Hopefully, it will take less time than what I experienced. You have a good start by inquiring here at this wonderful forum. Good luck on your journey. It makes us stronger and more knowledgeable.

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togstarr in reply to saritadelmar

Thanks for your reply and information much appreciated. Still studying my blood results TPO 4 iu/ml and TSH 0.66 mu/l . I am looking at buying blood pressure monitor with afib or arrhythmia detection.

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saritadelmar

It might be worth going back to read some of the replies to your original post. Some were saying you need to post not only the test results but the ranges as well.

And consider that any afib or arrhythmia can be a symptom of some cause that may be harder to determine. For example, coffee, green tea, or other stimulants can trigger heart irregularities.

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