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Gp - says NHS endocrinologist appointment will take many months due to covid

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This was in a letter I received from my GP. He started his letter by saying he had discussed the best way to help me with his colleagues.

This was in response to me passing to him recent blood tests and an ultra sound I had done in Cyprus.

His letter continued that finding a private endocrinologist may be faster for me and he would support whichever decision I made!

Has anyone else had similar experiences?

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Angel20

It is not up the GP to make decisions he can put a referral through for you and the Endocrinologist will see you pretty quickly. Ask him again to do a referral for you ASAP and ask him to give you the password of the referral so you can chase it up. The alternative is to have one session with a Private consultant that works at the hospital you want to be seen, initially he will charge you however your foot will in the door almost straight away to be treated under the NHS. Hope this helps

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A1Amber in reply toAngel20

Thanks for reading. The secretary at the medical centre said in Lincolnshire it is not possible to book an appointment to an encrinologist - the hospital booking system refuses to accept them. The secretary suggested I ring around hospitals in other areas to see if any would accept a referral! I left her looking into whether the tests and ultra sound scan I have can just be sent for advice .

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shawsAdministrator in reply toA1Amber

I think hospital endos have a backlog of patients now. If they'd previously consulted with the patient (before lockdown), they woud have made a telephone consultation to discuss.

If they have results of your tests, I would have thought it may have been sent to GP.

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Lora7again

I would insist he refers you anyway because he doesn't actually know how long it will take to see an Endocrinologist. Everybody is blaming covid for everything when infact I have just got an appointment at a hospital and it took a few weeks not months. Mine isn't with an Endocrinologist but I was surprised at how quickly it came through. Of course it will be a lot quicker if you pay but I would ask for the list of recommended Endocrinologists from Thyroid UK before making an appointment.

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A1Amber in reply toLora7again

Thanks for your reply. I have the list but no one on it in Lincolnshire.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Have you got the list of recommended thyroid specialist endocrinologists from Thyroid U.K.

Ideally pick one that is NHS and Private, and see them initially on private appointment

NHS appointment for standard hypothyroid issues can take months under normal circumstances, so may be even longer now

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A1Amber in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you for replying. My gp surgery say they cannot book at all in Lincolnshire. I have the list you mention but there is no one in my county. I am waiting for gp surgery to ring as I asked if they could send all my recent test results and ultr sound to 'e - advice and guidance'. I was prescribed beta blockers when on holiday in Cyprus and using My doctor online told my usual Gp my betablockers were about to run out. His advice via a call from receptionist ' take remainder of tablets every other day then stop'. My symptoms which prompted my visit to GP on holiday have returned. Gp there was also a cardiologist and adamant on my return to uk should see an endicrinologist as he believed my problem was connected to thyroid.

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MichelleHarris in reply toA1Amber

Do you mean there are no Endo’s in the whole of Lincolnshire ? x

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A1Amber in reply toMichelleHarris

Nhs not taking bookings according to secretary at my GPs. Have just got off the phone and got a private appointment face to face next Monday evening.

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MichelleHarris in reply toA1Amber

Thats great youve got a private appt!

However ‘Not taking bookings’ is that to get the waiting lists to look better ?? x

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shawsAdministrator in reply toMichelleHarris

I think there must be a huge backlog due to patients not being able to make appointments during lockdown.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toA1Amber

Great news

Is this a thyroid specialist endocrinologist or a diabetes specialist?

Results from previous post

Ferritin 80.08 ng/ml range 10 - 329

Vitamin D 14.9 ng/ml desirable level >30

Folate 3.34 ng/ml 4.6 - 18.7

Vitamin B12 473.5 pg/ml 197 - 221 (range is incorrect)

TSH 0.30 mIU/L 0.27 - 4.2

Free T4 17.34 pmol/L 12 - 22

Free T3 4.18 pmol/L 3.4 - 6 8

Thyroperoxidase >600.0 IU/ml <34

Thyroglobulin 3302 IU/L <115

High thyroid antibodies confirms autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s.

Frequently necessary to be strictly gluten free

Ask for coeliac blood test BEFORE trialing strictly gluten free diet

Folate is deficient - endocrinologist should provide prescription for folic acid.

Though it’s often better supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

chriskresser.com/folate-vs-...

Many Hashimoto’s patients have MTHFR gene variation and can have trouble processing folic acid.

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Igennus Super B is good quality and cheap vitamin B complex. Contains folate. Full dose is two tablets per day. Many/most people may only need one tablet per day. Certainly only start on one per day (or even half tablet per day for first couple of weeks)

Or Thorne Basic B is another option that contain folate, but is large capsule

If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

Low B12 symptoms

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

B12 under 500 may want to be taking a B12 supplement as well as a B Complex (to balance all the B vitamins) initially for first 2-4 months, then once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

B12 sublingual lozenges

amazon.co.uk/Jarrow-Methylc...

cytoplan.co.uk/vitamins/vit...

Vitamin D is very low at 14ng/ml - 34nmol in U.K. units

endmemo.com/medical/unitcon...

Endo/GP should prescribe 1600iu vitamin D everyday for 6 months

GP will often only prescribe to bring levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function. There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with hashimoto’s we frequently need higher dose than average

Calculator for working out dose you may need to bring level to 40ng/ml = 100nmol

grassrootshealth.net/projec...

Government recommends everyone supplement October to April

gov.uk/government/news/phe-...

Taking too much vitamin D is not a good idea

chriskresser.com/vitamin-d-...

With your Vit D, are you also taking it's important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7?

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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A1Amber in reply toSlowDragon

The endocrinologist I have booked has previously been secretary to the British Thyroid Association.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toA1Amber

I was prescribed beta blockers when on holiday in Cyprus

Which beta blockers?

Propranolol?

How much and how long have you been on beta blocker?

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A1Amber in reply toSlowDragon

The beta blockers were prescribed in Cyprus. As they were running out I asked GPs surgery whether I required another prescription. The advice from gp - take remainder of tablets every other day until they run out. The dizzy symptoms returned. I bought a heart monitor. Resting is between 90 and 103. I am hoping my appoinment with the endocrinologist will address this too.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toA1Amber

Which beta blocker, there are lots of different ones

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Thyroid results

Was test done as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

Ft4 is only 53% through range

Ft3 is only 23% through range

Helpful calculator for working out percentage through range

chorobytarczycy.eu/kalkulator

So very poor conversion

Improving low vitamin levels and strictly gluten free diet likely to help improve conversion and and absorption

Do you always get same brand of levothyroxine?

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