Excellent article pdf by Dr Henry Lindner

[diogenes]

I recommend strongly to read this article and abstract, in your own words, the relevant points to put to your doctor when discussing treatment.

pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b2...

[stiltzski]

Seems like a really thorough and well-researched paper, but I know sadly what my GP would say....who is Henry Lindner and what authority does he have?!

[diogenes Remembering in reply to stiltzski]

He is quoting researchers of good repute. That is who the GP's etc should attend to.He is the messenger of accepted work.

[MissGrace]

Great article - really clearly written. Thank you. 🤸🏿‍♀️🥛

[Hidden]

Only just started reading it but it sounds brilliant already! Thank you

[loueldhen]

Damn it. He practices in Pennsylvania. ( I was nearly out the door).

[shaws Administrator in reply to loueldhen]

This is a link and it is no wonder Dr Lindner cannot take on more patients. I think we need far more doctors like him who are still on this earth. Most of the ones trained before blood tests were introduced and were well skilled in clinical symptoms of hypo etc and weren't hauled over the coals if patient received NDT or T3/T4 or T3. Dr Skinner for one and Dr Peatfield resigned his licence due to the pressure he was put under.

hormonerestoration.com/

MissGrace

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[shaws Administrator]

Thanks for posting, although I've yet to read all of it yet. Why cannot we import Dr Lindner to join your goodself and your team. We need specialists to speak up instead of the BTA etc, banishing all of people of a like mind. We need all of the experts to stand up to the nonsense some endocrinologists state or have been told they must follow certain rules. Surely there should be exemptions as the majority on this forum are not treated optimally or remain undiagnosed or cannot recover on levo alone. Also we cannot be given options if not recovering on levo alone.

I think it is unbelievable that the majority of doctors don't actually know how to diagnose or treat patients optimally, as all the emphasis is on the TSH i.e. a bit low and we've become hyperthyroid (they believe). Most have to wait till it reaches 10 before being diagnosed. A very low TSH and the patient feels well and if not they do not get their FT3 and FT4 checked. A very low TSH to those doctors and they expect us to develop a heart attack, when - I have read - we're more likely to develop other problems due to insufficient hormones that suite us.

When I had a discussion with my doctor the conversation went like this:-

GP - 'your TSH is too low'. "yes doctor, I know " GP -" your T4 is too low and T3 too high", "yes doctor my T4 is too low because I take none. My T3 is higher because that's all I take. GP but T3 converts to T4! "I'm sorry doctor but it is the other way round, i.e. T4 converts to T3.

Why is this?

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[diogenes Remembering in reply to shaws]

The profession of medicine is frankly a selfregarding clique. In my mind they resemble a herd of bison. If active danger threatens, they all stand in a circular bunch, horns outside, loudly threatening anyone who dares to come near with a different idea, especially who they regard as renegade doctors. On the other hand, if they think they can get away with it with someone outside the clique, they all stand in a circular bunch, backsides out, so as not to engage with what's happening that would question their basic position..

[shaws Administrator in reply to diogenes]

It is terrible when they are supposed to be 'healers' (where possible) but I think hypothyroid patients are treated abominably and I remember a member on another forum (TPA) who wrote a letter with regard to the reason she was finally taking a step of no return because she could no longer tolerate her suffering. She left if for the coroner and I suppose hoping it would be published but wasn't. Also Lorriane Cleaver was also near the final point and there must be quite a number over the years who couldn't continue with their life. It's awful, terrible, unnecessary and sorrowful.

p.s. doctors are quick to hand out anti-depressants but dont check FT4 and FT3.

[fibrolinda]

Thank you so much for signposting this. Only up to page 12, (have to read in small batches) so far but enthusiastically talking to the writer making approving noises as I read. I have a very foggy brain yet it all makes such complete common sense to me I despair that the so called 'experts' cannot, or refuse, to see that.

[stiltzski]

We have got to find a way to get this excellent information through to the medical profession and for them to finally wake up. Petitions? Letters to MPs? I think they’ve all been tried. My gut says a good old-fashioned demonstration, which would attract press interest, but no doubt, as most of us seem to be female, we’d probably be denounced as hysterical. It’s so depressing (whoops I didn’t mean that...I’m no longer depressed thanks to adding T3 to my T4, which no doubt baffles my GP)...

[Hoxo]

Excellent article. Thank you for posting.