A petition to sign if you want to try and save ... - Thyroid UK
A petition to sign if you want to try and save the NHS post Brexit.
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Project fear - deja vu all over again. We have more control over trade deals outside the EU, inside we have to take whatever trade deals the EU imposes. By all means set up a petition to prevent outsourcing of NHS activities, although it is a few decades too late.
I can't think of a polite response to this, so I'll just say: Cobblers.
nhsconfed.org/regions-and-e... (backed up by 178 pages of Euro drivel and abitrated by EU kangaroo courts). I fully support keeping the NHS out of trade deals, not just future trade deals but out of existing trade deals also. Hopefully in future we will be able to choose whether our NHS is included in trade deals rather than being told it has to be.
I object to your reference to 'Euro drivel' and 'kangaroo courts'. Notice that Greygoose presented the petition with minimal comment, as is appropriate here.
Absolutely not referring to Greygoose's post. Rather the damaging trade deal the NHS is stuck in at the moment. I appreciate the genuine concern you have but the nasty people who have drafted this petition have carefully inserted the word 'future' and linked it to Brexit. They could have petitioned that 'the NHS is kept out of trade deals'. This is what we all want, the NHS kept out of deals with the USA, the EU, China or any other country. And indeed out of deals with UK companies, or any other form of privatisation such as offering to do private blood tests.
I believe I am right that an American company built the health centre near us and charge high rent , cleaning and securities to run the building . Seem to be already here! Sure not the only example .
I'm sure they are. It's not a question of just trade agreements, it comes down to policy also, whether we outsource NHS facilities. I want a trade agreement that gives us access to drugs such as Cytomel and competition that brings down prices.
We need to get rid of the trade agreement that says we have to offer all our major procurement projects to foreigners AND those foreigners run the court that decides on disputes.
Taken literally the petition is good, it would rule out any agreement with the EU (unless they back down on the their right to run NHS projects). However, the petition is not about the NHS, it is 100% political, designed to create fear. These issues have been around for forty years or more.
Fully agree with you. Plenty of private companies already involved in the NHS. Alliance Health did my PET scans, EMIS my diabetic eye check although that service has been sold to another company. There is a private company providing radiography services out of normal hours.Private hospitals are used to carry out NHS operations.EMIS and others provide GPs online systems.Several. quoted companies build,buy,and rent GP practices health centres and pay good dividends from their earnings.
How many US companies are involved ,if any ? No idea.
Trump once again reversing ,perhaps being told his initial view was manna from heaven to remainers or maybe that we hold to the NHS like they do to guns.
Private services have been creeping in to the NHS for years .What is needed is to ensure they do not perform like G4S and CRAPITA in other areas of public service.
We have a privately run treatment centre locally and it's excellent, virtually no waiting times for NHS outpatient appts, any scans needed are done within days of requesting, surgery carried out within weeks, it's a very slick well run hospital, far better than the shambles at our district hospital.
The whole thing is depressing. We actually boast that our NHS is more expensive than any other national health service! The biggest in the world, hurrah! I haven't lived in other countries but I can't believe we are better than Germany (who have had their NHS since Bismark) or Austria or Canada or Singapore or New Zealand. Why are we so much more expensive? Certainly the USA system is terrible. I want to see fair trade agreements that give all countries free access to supply quality drugs and equipment. I want to get rid of the backdoor deals. The PFI that has almost bankrupted the NHS. The 'pick & choose' IT strategy that cost tens of billions and never even got fully implemented (at the time I worked in computing and all the computer experts were saying it was not feasible). And of course the price of drugs, as a free country we could set up a publicly owned company to manufacture cheap genetics.
Some private companies offer good service and value. For example, The Doctors Laboratory (Blue Horizon) charge the NHS 92p for an fT3 blood test. We need to be able to pick and choose which bits of the NHS we put to the private sector. Which bits of the NHS (and other public services) we restrict to the UK for strategic reasons. At the moment we are not allowed to.
Agree again.I met the guy in charge of implementing the IT strategy and some of his team as they were stuck on the payroll where I worked .They spent a great deal of time in hotels across the country selling the scheme .Hospitals already on different schemes were not interested in changing.
It really comes down to the entire top down command management structure. I joined a Health Authority from a local Authority and wrongly thought they were similarly managed.It was a culture shock.
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Thank you. And thank you for not making any political comments. 
You posted a link to a political campaign! It would be better to keep politics off the forum, but if political posts are added it’s fair and reasonable to have the opportunity to comment on them.
(It would be better if nothing referencing ‘Brexit’ is put on the forum.)
I would have thought that the fact it was about the NHS was more important than the Brexit link. We're not all political animals, but most people on here rely on the NHS for their health care. It's a question of priorities, I would have thought. And, if I can refrain from political comment - even though I do have my own opinions - I don't see why the rest of you can't. A little self-control, perhaps?
Thanks for posting, greygoose. Signed in a totally non-political but extremely angry way.
I appreciate that, thank you.
Signed. We certainly don't.want the US to be running our health service!!
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Thank you Greygoose for your prompt action. I have signed even though I will probably never partake of the NHS ever again. I heard yesterday, D Trump mention the possibility of the NHS being linked to a possible future trade deal between Britain and the USA. Let's hope this was one of his many 'blunderous' gaffes. Britain is living in sick political times at present, a one perhaps the NHS will not be able to heal or cure!
He backed off,probably told it would help remainers or that our view of the NHS is like the US view on gun law.
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Sighned at least grey goose tried whatever happens🙏
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Thank you. And thank you for not making any political comments.
Signed 👍 This is only the start of it & one of the reasons I voted to remain. Before anyone starts - don’t!! I’m way too tired today 😉
Thanks for the link. Signed. Anyone in any doubt should watch Michael Moore's film "Sicko" which shows how much superior the British and European models are re healthcare.
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Signed and agree ... hands off our NHS
Hi greygoose just to mention that one of the questions yesterday asked about prices of Ultrasound in the UK and the cheapest was £120 on London and locally was over £200.
When I first moved to France and had not sorted out my health care I was sent by my GP to a new hospital where I paid privately to have one at a cost only 39 Euros. The health system in France is wonderful, back in the UK now and it's just a rip off not just on the T3 but all over the NHS.
Paying just 8 euros to visit the GP what a good idea that would be here in the UK.
Only 27 Euros to visit an Endo all of these without waiting. I actually thought it was rather odd to have a next day appointment with a GP and for 3/4 hour.
I never enjoyed much about France but the health care is brilliant.
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