Behavioral and cognitive issues irrational

[Tru4hockey]

Does anyone else have this post thyroidectomy and parathyroid ! I just find it hard to believe the man I know

Is not there anymore ! And he cares about nothing not me after 26 years not our kids and grand child his integrity is compromised and just unreliable and just not my man

[Marz]

Sorry to read about your man ... do you have any recent results with ranges ? Is he taking thyroid medication - and if so how much ? Vitamin and Mineral levels ? - B12 - Folate - Ferritin - VitD ? Without thyroid hormones circulating the brain is affected ... so do let us know his results so members can support you with advice.

[SlowDragon Administrator]

For full Thyroid evaluation he needs TSH, FT4, FT3 and also very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Also calcium, magnesium and PTH tested by GP

Private tests are available. Thousands on here forced to do this as NHS often refuses to test FT3 or vitamins

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/testin...

Medichecks Thyroid plus ultra vitamin or Blue Horizon Thyroid plus eleven are the most popular choice. DIY finger prick test or option to pay extra for private blood draw. Both companies often have special offers, Medichecks usually have offers on Thursdays, Blue Horizon its more random

All thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and fasting. Do not take Levothyroxine dose in the 24hours prior to test, delay and take immediately after blood draw. This gives highest TSH and lowest FT4. (Patient to patient tip, best not mentioned to GP or phlebotomist)

Extremely common to have low vitamin levels and then thyroid hormones can not work as well

After thyroidectomy many patients need addition of small dose of T3

Dr Toft, past president of the British Thyroid Association and leading endocrinologist, states in Pulse Magazine,

"The appropriate dose of levothyroxine is that which restores euthyroidism and serum TSH to the lower part of the reference range - 0.2-0.5mU/l.

In this case, free thyroxine is likely to be in the upper part of its reference range or even slightly elevated – 18-22pmol/l.

Most patients will feel well in that circumstance. But some need a higher dose of levothyroxine to suppress serum TSH and then the serum-free T4 concentration will be elevated at around 24-28pmol/l.

This 'exogenous subclinical hyperthyroidism' is not dangerous as long as serum T3 is unequivocally normal – that is, serum total around T3 1.7nmol/l (reference range 1.0-2.2nmol/l)."

You can obtain a copy of the articles from Thyroid UK email print it and highlight question 6 to show your doctor

 please email Dionne at

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Professor Toft recent article saying, T3 may be necessary for many otherwise we need high FT4 and suppressed TSH in order to have high enough FT3. Note his comments on current inadequate treatment following thyroidectomy

rcpe.ac.uk/sites/default/fi...

Add results and ranges if you have them now, members can advise

Or come back with new post once you get tests

[Jazzw]

You said on an earlier post that his FT3 was low. That will be one of the main causes of this. Unfortunately the majority of doctors just don’t seem to understand how important T3 is, especially post thyroidectomy.

But if your man doesn’t want help, it’s not going to be easy to get him help - many of us have to go it alone when it comes to getting liothyronine. And that’s hard to do when you’re motivated, let alone when you aren’t...

112mcg of levothyroxine is unlikely to be sufficient. Get his blood test results if you can, post them here.

[jgelliss]

Tru4hockey , My sympathy and Blessings to you . It's to be Admired your care and compassion for your patner . I would suggest that your partner join our Great Forum . We have male members that have been through TT as well . All questions are very important . We all started out knowing very little about our thyroid dilemmas . This community has and continues to be very kind helpful and extremely informative and knowledgeable . Your partner has everything to gain .

Meanwhile it's great that you are very supportive and caring . You might want to purchase the books by Paul Robinson . He has great books that you and your partner would benefit from too . His latest book he walks the reader through different thyroid meds and more you and your partner would enjoy . Read as much as you can to be well informed .

Meanwhile nutrients would be very helpful . Vitamin "D"/K2 , B-Complex , B-12/Folate , Iron if test low , Magnesium , Vitamin "C" . Celtic Sea Salt for electrolytes .

Read Excellent Posts by *SeasideSusie* On Nutrients and more .

And *SlowDragon* has Excellent Posts on Gluten Free Diet and more .

Wishing you Strength Wellness and Success . Hang In there and Be Strong .

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Depression and lack of libido are common hypothyroid symptoms. And feeling "Less of a man" is likely to make him depressed anyway! Try to hang on in there. He is still "Your man", just not himself because he is ill

I think men deal with problems in a different way from women. Too much sympathy will further dent his pride, so it's tricky. Just go on loving him as best you can, and make allowances for how he is at the moment.

Praying for you x

[GKeith]

I was on T4, Levo, for 26 years before getting T3 added but up until the T3, I spent several months, probably years, (still) having hypo symptons, symptoms I wasn't even aware of, such as cold hands and feet, at certain times of the day ice cold, dry hair, dry skin and, then headaches that made me feel as if I just wanted, literally, to die. And I still (had) have a thyroid gland, so I can't even put myself in your husband's place. Your man is a man, number 1, and men and women have always had that Adam & Eve argument, so put that aside, he will respond to you but only if you turn towards the sky, or anywhere else your heart turns you, because only love will bring him back (to you). I am, personally, a religious man, but, put that aside, it is your heart that is troubled, your soul, whether you are an atheist, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or any other religion. (If) you 'loved' him for 26-years than you can continue to love him and he will return to "normal." But, if you are specifically seeking only your own 'comfort' or 'conscience' nothing will solve your 'problem.' Don't look at it as a problem, look at it as a chance to show your husband what you, not him, but you, are made of. If you love him nothing will matter, if he loves you the same will be true. No, I'm not Dear Abby, I just felt the need to speak to you and if I have offended you in any way, I apologize and you will never hear from me again. I am used to speaking and questioning people and taking interests in their lives so forgive the intrusion if I have asked any question(s) or taken anything for granted about yourself as I don't know the first thing about you but I do know something about your husband: he has a thyroid problem, the man you know is not there, considering the thyroid he once had is not there and so the man you once knew will never be the same man, physically, but, his character, his heart, his soul, will, with hope and faith, return. And may the Lord's peace be with you.

[Tru4hockey in reply to GKeith]

I in no way take offense and you actually spoke to my soul and I am catholic

And my faith And sympathy is huge and being I am in the Medical field I do all the research and reading and know this is not

Him and he is in denial that this can make him feel the way he does . We were 15 when we met and he is all I know and have 5 children and just withdrawn from everyone he was so involved in kids lives and I we have only had issues for 2 years and to throw it all away is just beyond me and the lashing out irritability and mood is beyond tolerable and each day I wake up refreshed and unconditionally love him and push forward . It take every ounce of my being to even be mean back I refuse to hate him I know he is sick and has 3 more surgeries to come :/ I am still crying writting this cause I feel everything you wrote is true .

[GKeith]

Thank the Lord , then, that I may speak my mind to you. Remember what the Lord said in John:14:27: "My peace I leave with you; my peace I give you but I do not give it to you as the world gives. Let not your heart be troubled but neither let it be afraid."

So, therefore, let your heart speak and you will win your husband's love back; he is confused for the devil has tempted him even as he tempted the Christ himself he also tempts us because the Lord has given this power to him. The only power stronger than the devil's is God's as we know that he failed to tempt the Lord when he offered him the "world." Remember also, that Jesus told his disciples that if the world hates them to keep in mind that it hated him first. In my own lifetime I have been many things and I know what it is like to be first loved by an enormous crowd of people and just as quickly be hated by that same crowd. This conundrum can only be solved by true faith, hope and love of God.

Remember in Romans, Paul tells of the need for faith and hope, when you are tested: "We rejoice in our sufferings because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance produces character and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit whom he has given us."

Therefore, through your faith, hope and character you shall overcome this problem, only by forgiving your husband and staying with him through his 'nightmare.' Remember, your heart must not be afraid but strong and your prayers will be answered. And may the Lord's peace, mercy, grace and love stay with you from this moment on.