Hi there after many years of trying to lose weight and being advised wrongly. I stumbled across this. Take a look ....you may find some answers to your problems.
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This doctor is well known in Sweden as "The LCHF guru". LCHF = low carb high fat. While this diet works for many, it doesn't work for all. I never felt well on a diet consisting mainly of bacon, scrambled eggs, and cheese slices with butter (and no bread). But I know some have had amazing results with it. This is an MD giving advice that is highly controversial in Sweden where a low fat, high carb diet is still seen as the most healthy one. If you are going to try it, keep us informed of your progress (or lack thereof)!
I still think the kind of fat you eat is important. The LCHF diet in Sweden consists of +85% saturated fat. I feel better when eating mainly polyunsaturated fats. It's like my body processes it differently than saturated fats.
Angel_of_the_North in reply to
However, polyunsaturates are known to be inflammatory and should perhaps be avoided in large quantities by people with autoimmune problems.
On an official level, nobody seems willing to drop the cholesterol/sat fat/diet - heart hypothesis, and advice is still to eat low fat. However, if you look at the details of advice being given, more and more you will see "cut out sugar and cut down on processed food and refined carbs. I think at some point LCHF will be the norm, and some "low fat people" will claim that they always advocated for eating this way. Watch this space.
sciencedrivennutrition.com/...
This is interesting....I feel high fat is dangerous and that it still comes down to calories, the right balance of intake and expenditure. High fat may make one feel fuller quicker and so avoid 'cheating' on a diet. Other than that, keep moving and only eat when hungry, stop when full. Boring and sometimes tough but our bodies know what's best if we only listen.
Justliloldme in reply to
I'd have agreed with this before UAT. However after a strict calorie counted diet (only eating when hungry), 3 weekly sessions with a PT & optimum meds - 6 months later I was 6lbs heavier than at the start.
Eat less move more doesn't work with me anymore unfortunately.
in reply to Justliloldme
I know, it's tough....I've always had to 'eat a bit less and move a bit more' than people with normal metabolisms. Sometimes, rather like now, I just dont care overly much and eat a little too much and spend too long in front of a screen :), others I get tough on myself and can be very slim. Part of it is I think accepting who we are as individuals and how we work and then dealing with things on that basis. Life, is after all, as Jordan Peterson says, a fatal disease.....
mistydog in reply to
If you are low on T3, it doesn't matter how little you eat or how much you move, you will not lose weight. T3 will tell the body to store every little thing as fat because it thinks you need it.
My Doctors won't prescribe it so now what do I do. Their reason is cost.
You can buy it yourself. Or try NDT. I get mine privately.
Where can I buy T3 please?
I would start a new post and ask people to PM you, it's against the rules to post it publicly. I don't know, I use NDT.
This diet is also not good for colon, same as Atkins, could be risky following this route. You cant be calorie counting, ensuring you burn more calories than you consume. Metabolism is important to weight loss/maintenance and thats where the thyroid can inhibit if not functioning correctly.
Sorry, supposed to say, you cant beat calorie counting!
I'm 61 and been a calorie counter since 17. Worked great. Stayed slim through two boys, stopping drinking and smoking....
Then I got ill.
Seemed the less I ate the more I gained... 12lbs in 12 months on 800 very strict calories a day.
Years later after many diets and losing nothing, sometimes gaining I just stuck to about 1200-1500 cals a day and avoided the scales. My Ft3 finally got near top of range and I read about Harcombe diet. No counting calories, no hunger. Rules r no fat meals and carb meals together, no processed food. I ate large meals eg three egg omelette with cheese and salad for lunch. Lost 20lbs eating more than since childhood. Another 8-10 to go 😊 I will never count calories again.
Only healthy people with a fully functioning Thyroid can actually control their weight like that.
Hypothyroid ppl need to get everything balanced, levels all optimal, till then they can gain on 800clories a day with ease. To suggest otherwise is simply ....incorrect...
I completely agree with this. I've always been a size 10. I began steadily gaining weight - 3 stone in 3 years. Went to PT who worked out a eating plan & 3 sessions per week. 6 months later 6lbs heavier! 2 weeks on LFHC & 7lbs down.
Everyone is different & you need to find what works for you. Eat less move more doesn't work for me since UAT unfortunately.
in reply to fibrolinda
Problem is...whilst it is relatively easy to work out exactly what you are putting into your body, your expenditure is much much harder to calculate, if impossible. You may think you are burning lots of energy/calories when in reality the balance is still loaded slightly in favour of intake. I've got stuck at a weight unacceptable to me, in the past and when increasing exercise levels slightly, such as a short run a few times a week or even taking stairs instead of the lift etc etc etc, have got past that. We are designed to move and sometimes I think that fact is forgotten. 
Unfortunately, not all calories are created equal and you can't spend your entire life calorie counting. You need to concentrate on living and working. If calorie counting worked, none of us would be fat and doctors wouldn't accuse us of cheating on a diet. Fat often makes you more "regular" than artificially added fibre (like bran etc). I eat more or less how we were encouraged to eat in WWII, moderate fat, carbs and protein (because when you are a vegan it's pretty hard to do anything else if you want to eat real food). Keto diet has been shown to help with both dementia and epilepsy, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand just because Ancel Keys lied in the 50s.
in reply to Angel_of_the_North
I find calorie counting very helpful and nottoo labourious as a ijust log online at the end of the day.I do however only aim to lose 0.5 pounds a week sohave an allowed calorie intake of 2360 calories a day. I would never allow myself togoas low as 1,500 as this wouldonly lead to binging due to undereating.A littleknown fact that I haveseen work dozens of times and long term is that people do not need to under eat to lose weight, they need to eat normally to return to a normal weight.It can behard tojudge whatis normal hence my use of calorie countingand hard tobreak outof disorderred eating habits which tend to be caused by eating the latest guru's idea of a miricle diet.
Thisis not to say that I agree with the calories in and out theory which s a very simplistic approach to a very complex and confusing problem but alsorts of issues in the mix such as hormones, genetics, state sponsered encouragement toward eating disorders and eating preferences as wellas culteral and family norms, the mistaken drive to be thin which is more unhealthy than being over weight. I also think that women are supposed to bea bit plump and are fighting against thier natural shape.Ialso have a theory that our food prefernces maybe down to our ancesteral heritage and we have a tendancy tocrave foods accordingto ancestrial homelands.So somebodymight do well on a high fat, high protein diet with innuit ancestors or massi mara (I think they eat high fat).Iam a cornish girl so just need lots of pastys.
I am off to log caloriesbefore bed and have found a lovely site on which todo so. I am recruting people from there to thyroid uk toget hormones sorted first.
Angel_of_the_North in reply to
Glad it works for you. When I was a body builder I counted not just calories but protein, fat and carbs all the time every day. It gets obsessive and I'm never going there again. I'm not sure about the ancestor thing. It's attractive, but most us are so Heinz 57 now that it would be hard to pin point an ancestor. My family is Jewish, but I can't stand baked rice and potatoes, which was a staple of Gran's. And I love cauliflower and cucumber.
in reply to Angel_of_the_North
My freind was telling me about her freind who had a transplant she said liver but I didnt think that was possible.She said that he used to hate pasta then started tocrave it all the time after the op only to discover that the donor was Italian. Weird ad spooky.
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OMG, that is just so funny
I tried this for 2 weeks and lost 7lbs. It's brilliant. However, I fell of the wagon as I found it quite hard to sustain. Mainly because I'm not much of a cook & I'm too limited. I think if I had time to look at more recipes I'd find it a doddle. I felt great on it too.
I eat a low carb high fat diet and it is the only way I've ever managed to lose weight and keep it off. My blood pressure has gone down and my gut health is better than it has ever been. This is just my personal experience, but eating this way suits me very well.
Me too. Carbs for me equal fast weight gain. I need an increase in levo which was granted by one GP following January blood tests and removed by another today! I've gained 16lb since December and feel rough again having initially lost 8 stones with hypo treatment. I will have to go to the Surgery yet again when I can finally get an appointment which takes three weeks at least. In the meantime, should my levo actually arrive tomorrow, I will simply take the new increase prescribed and told to me earlier today on the phone by the receptionist! The pharmacy lady then rang to say I hadn't been given an increase but they could deliver tomorrow Yet the increase of 25mcg daily is on my record ha ha. MADNESS. Even a smallish amount of levothyroxine can make make a huge difference and they tend not to make bigger increases without further blood tests. I am going CRAZY here. Been messed about December January, then again March April. One GP prescribed the increase, now he is on holiday and another GP has said no. Yet previously they said no GP would overrule another!
I will take extra all the same and argue about it later. Low carb higher fat is the only diet method that works for me now but since December my weight has been slowly but surely increasing again. My dear firstborn son died aged 42 on December 7th in Addenbrooke's and I thought perhaps I'd been eating too much since out of grief. But the symptoms of under-replacement are very clear - I'm several years now into levothryoxine treatment and I've been regaining fast - also having to sit on or lie in bed due to exhaustion all day long. Very depressed. Cant sleep. Muscles ache. Hair falling out again on legs, arms and body.
I knew I needed more levo but my Surgery has lost seven GPs over the past 18 months including my own wonderful doctor of 30 years who was the best-liked and most conscientious GP at that Surgery. If he said he would call me at home, he did so the next morning. He was wonderful, gentle and sort of shy but 100% pro-patient. He took early retirement last May aged 55. What a loss he is to the NHS. Even the receptionist and blood nurse told me recently that they missed him terribly. Best GP they've ever worked with. Thanks to Tory policy my GP and many others have retired and that lovely kind nurse has now gone to work for a private hospital.
No wonder patients suffer. Everyone here knows that thyroid disease is already a Cinderella ailment incorrectly understood and poorly treated, My replacement GP is good but alas on holiday right now. I asked for a phone call at home and waited ten days so far. IDIOT surgery didn't tell me he'd just gone on two weeks' holiday. So I waited every day until today and finally rang the pharmacy to see if they could help me. They said, oh, he's on holiday until next week...
If you feel rough don't be fobbed off. I am sick of it and the pharmacy lady is lovely. She said oh no, not again! They're always getting your prescriptions wrong. She went in personally to sort it out and got my levo for tomorrow BUT they took away the ordered increase. She rang to tell me and said she can't change the prescription but make an appointment.
Ah Lord!
xx
5 years ago I did the Atkins for 6 weeks and lost a stone. I felt great but struggled after that time and the weight just piled on. I am now retired and struggle to eat well. I also have a very sweet tooth and just have to give in to it. Oh well !!! Jo xx
But you can buy sugar free chocolate and sweets and meal replacement items online. Try LOWCARBMEGASTORE and AVIDLITE. For wonderful sugar free recipes try my favourite site, ALLDAYIDREAMABOUTFOOD. There are lots of low carb stores online.
Google low carb recipes and tons of sites will appear. Google low carb store uk and again tons will appear.
No need to go without sweet things. Use erythritol powder or xylitol powder for baking, tea, coffee, cold drinks and home made sugar free ice cream. Both replace sugar spoon for spoon but are calorie and carb free,
With a bit more information and practice low carb is easy peasy xx
Most sugar substitutes are worse for you than sugar and have the same bad effects on blood sugar and insulin, Make sure dogs don't get hold of anything containing xylitol as it can kill them. Low carb is easy if you are an omnivore, but quite challenging for a vegan. Even nuts contain lots of carbs.
I am vegetarian and have been since age 14. I am nearly 64 now. I was a strict vegan for four years and never felt well. So I decided to be a lacto-vegetarian and (of course) buy only organic milk, free range eggs etc. A small concession and by no means fully adequate but I find that we can't do everything perfectly. I am on a very low fixed income. Most cheese is no longer made with animal rennet, thankfully. Vegan cheese I find disgusting. I don't like Alpro and hypos can't take a lot of soy as it interferes with our absorption of levothyroxine and perhaps of T3. I hate Vitalite spread! Foul. Olivio is also foul. Bertolli spread, likewise.
I can't see any harm in erythritol which I prefer to xylitol. I don't eat a lot of sweet goods but it's nice to bake low carb scones with almond flour and coconut flour now and then and have them with cream and low sugar jam. Moderation is key, Appetite is reduced on low carb so the temptation to guzzle every low carb scone or cake or tortilla is suppressed!
Never really been attracted to sweets and desserts: when I was a kid I was grounded for eating an entire cucumber on the way back from the shops (not my cucumber, the family's), so my dad had to go back and buy another one.
Some argue that it can be more complicated than 'calories in/calories out'. There is increasing evidence that environmental toxins play a part in the increasing 'diabesity' epidemic. In a talk currently available on the online Diabetes Summit, Michael Murray spoke about the role POPs (persistent organic pollutants) and the increasing levels of environmental pollutants play in our metabolic health. These compounds are hormone disruptors some refer to as 'obesogens'. There is scientific research on this and people like Mark Hyman and Chris Kresser have addressed it. Possibly another interesting piece to consider.
healthline.com/nutrition/5-...
chriskresser.com/how-toxins...
Even the BBC mentioned the influence of the gut microbiome on weight, and the fact that it's not just the calories we eat but the ones we absorb (and we absorb more from pre-processed food like ready meals).
Yes, another factor. It's obvious that in addition to personal lifestyle decisions, it's a complex, multifaceted problem involving what we're doing to our food supply and our environment (internal and external). The question is whether we, as a society, have the will to address this, which will involve taking on powerful interests and entrenched behaviour. I feel especially bad for children who are increasingly set up for poor health from an early age. 
Having been slim, strong and healthy all my life until tt I found it soul destroying. I gained 6 stone in 2 years after thyroid removed. Having been a sports woman until then I just trained harder and ate less but still gained and I was running 4 nights a week with army buddies plus riding daily dog walks etc. I hit a brick wall.
2016 I stopped Ndt and levo and went T3 only. I did HFLC sticking to strict macros and lost 3 stone last year, still creeping down a kg a month. I eat a quarter of what I use to when slim lol.
Only real downside for me is I rarely go out to eat anymore I don't eat evening meal with hubby any more as we eat entirely different foods and I only eat when hungry. So I cook his meal and do something else till he has finished as I do him roasts 4 nights a week, his fav and I would be just too tempted to scoff a roast spud. It deff works for me but I feel it's bit antisocial. I live mainly in France and it's quite common to eat this way but it takes every bit of will yo avoid french bread xx
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