Can't believe my ears

Just listened to a broadcast about treating people who have depression with KETMINE

I read about what it does to the body and the unnatural effects it has.

I know that my Daughter in law uses it in her vets practice to render an animal unconscious for operating !!!!

The 'doctor' spoke quite knowledgeably about how good it is

Jesus wept and wept

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  • Ketamine. Typo

  • You should be able to edit your post to correct typos. 😀

  • I've just done a quick Google and looked briefly at one or two articles. That is SCARY!!!!!

    But if a GP prescribes it, there will be side effects, which means prescribing something to deal with those, which keeps Big Pharma happy.

    Cynical??? Moi???

  • You're not kidding, that is scary!

    drugs.com/sfx/ketamine-side...

    I wonder how many people who are experimented on with this stuff have had their thyroids tested and/or have tried T3.

  • It was on radio 4 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Lol

  • Having suffered w depression for many years and having been faced w the choice of remaining depressed or undergoing ect (I recovered in the end w/o ect) I think we have to accept that there are folk who have depression w no apparent organic cause and they need options to help them live and recover.

    I had been screened for physical causes (incl thyroid and adrenal causes) in a mental health care environment as a teenager and no primary physical cause was found. That is not to say that if I looked at those test results now that I would not find over time that the parameters had changed, but at the time this was state-of-the-art stuff where the intention was to take a fine tooth comb to find any health imbalance that could be responsible. I was very lucky, my mum had excellent private health insurance.

    I would not have been in a hurry to sign up to treatment w ketamine (it was used recreationally in the 90s and I never liked the sound of it then) but often clinical use takes a different form to a different end.

    Of course we should be better at diagnosing and treating depression caused by hypothyroidism and other illnesses, no one would advocate treating the depression and not the cause, but in some cases it is a standalone dx.

    People w depression need good health care and reasons to feel hopeful. I feel like sometimes on this forum it is treated like it is nothing more than a symptom of some unknown (or known) physical problem, and that is not always the case.

  • puncturedbicycle,

    I very much agree with you - I am certainly in no position to judge the doctors or the patients in this report.

    If it works, and every sensible alternative has been tried, then it is up to the sufferer and their doctors to discuss and decide. It couyld be the only thing that would ever work - or the worst thing they have ever tried.

    Obviously, in the context of this forum, we would hope and expect liothyronine to have been properly trialled, most especially as it is a well-known medicine with a very high level of safety.

    Link to abstract:

    thelancet.com/journals/lanp...

  • The reluctance of doctors to consider that hormonal treatment (such as liothyronine) might be effective is a problem. We know it can be used in euthyroid folk for treatment-resistant depression. And of course a percentage of those people will not be helped and will need to try something else.

    We should remember that we're envisioning a theoretical rosy future whereas if t3 was out there on the market being used in the same way ADs are (ie prescribed by people who often don't know much about them) it's not unreasonable to assume we'd have similar horror stories about people having strokes and heart attacks after being prescribed the wrong dose, or people who have terrible side effects (not all of us thrive on it) begging to be taken off it.

    Just as some find their mental health improves on thyroid hormone replacement some find it gets worse. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the market was dominated by thyroid meds instead of ADs.

    I took more than a dozen different ADs over time (not all together lol, maybe someone should have suggested it), stopped counting after that. I do regret that I didn't try liothyronine earlier. I had recovered by the time I introduced it into my thyroid treatment so it's impossible to say if it would have been effective.

    So I think in most ways I am in agreement w others here, just pointing out that not all depression diagnoses are frivolous and myopic misdiagnoses of what should be a uat dx.

    And just to be even-handed about it, nothing I ever tried was the worst anything, generally drugs were either ineffective or had some side effects I didn't love. Fluoxetine was an absolute game-changer for me - the best thing I ever tried - and gave me temporary access to a different way of being entirely. If it hadn't stopped working for me I'd probably still be on it. Not to invalidate the experience of others, just to contribute my own.

  • puncturedbicycle,

    Completely agree about potential for misuse of liothyronine - or pretty much any other medicine.

    We need to see personal experiences such as yours. Thank you.

  • I was there giving ect

    It was barbaric then

    It is now.

  • For a very small number of people it is their only hope and what would be barbaric would be to deny it to them.

    I was lucky enough to have had a wonderful psychiatrist, utterly compassionate, well-informed and respectful, and if liothyronine had been on his radar and/or permitted at the time I have no doubt he would have offered it.

  • BBC London radio was also promoting it with the so-called bloody doctor today. Like Ken Loach said, the BBC were and still are an extension of the gov.

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