Anyone maintaining an AIP and low histamine diet at the same time?

[dang]

Hey guys, on top of Hashimoto's I also have a number of digestive issues, I'm sure a lot of members here do to. I've been trying to maintain an AIP diet, I went through the restriction phase, and reintroductions, but ended up reacting to a bunch of foods on the "safe" list. Then I learned that I am Histamine Intolerant. So now I'm trying to balance the AIP with a low histamine diet, and I'm totally lost. On top of this I react to meat (haven't eaten meat other than fish in the past 10 years) so I'm incredibly limited. But I'm currently trying to reintroduce chicken (last two attempts have made me sick).

Would love to hear if someone has success balancing these two diets. If anyone knows of some resources where I can find recipes that consider both diets together (probably asking for too much here). Or just any dietary advice is super welcome, I want to be able to stomach regular foods again, and I also want to lower my thyroid antibodies.

Thanks!

[Silver_Fairy]

Sorry, can't help much, but lamb is the least allergenic meat, so maybe try that?

[dang in reply to Silver_Fairy]

That's good to know thank you! I didn't even know meats could be allergenic.

[greygoose]

How is your stomach acid? Do you know? Do you have acid reflux at all?

Have a read of this article - especially the last bit about home testing :

scdlifestyle.com/2012/03/3-...

[dang in reply to greygoose]

Thanks for sharing this link, I've never tested my stomach acid, but I will now after reading this information, I wonder if I can get the Heidelberg test covered by insurance. I did have acid reflux for many many years. But I went Gluten free almost a year ago (thanks to the advice on this forum) and haven't experienced reflux since. However I tried eating chicken a short while ago and had light reflux that lasted about a week.

[greygoose in reply to dang]

Well, if you couldn't digest it, that would cause reflux, as the undigested food fermented in the stomach.

[dang in reply to greygoose]

It could very well be, but what could cause me to not be able to digest chicken or meat? I have a problem digesting all sorts of food, often things go through me without being broken down. My nutritionist practically gave up on helping me recently after finding out I'm Histamine Intolerant, gastroenterologists just give me PPIs and antihistamines that give me even worse brain fog... So now I'm kinda on my own trying to figure out how to fix my stomach. I really want to be able to stomach foods and get off all the supplements I'm currently taking.

[greygoose in reply to dang]

Low stomach acid will cause you not to be able to digest chicken and meat. That's why I asked.

[dang in reply to greygoose]

Ah ok I didn't know that! Thanks for your help greygoose!

[dtate2016]

I have Hashimoto's and digestive issues . I was tested and found to have low digestive enzymes . This was done by a private Doctor Who said many of us lose digestive enzymes as we age . The simple solution was just to add digestive enzymes - There are many good brands out there and you don't have to take them every day just when you need them . My doctor told me that lack of digestive enzymes is a reason why desiccated thyroid hormone doesn't work for everybody . That over one third of the people don't metabolize the natural thyroid because of digestive enzyme issues . I've always had enough of my own digestive enzyme to metabolize armor thyroid or other types of natural thyroid - But I have had problem with meat especially beef from time to time . Digestive enzymes stop the indigestion within 5 to 10 minutes .

[dang in reply to dtate2016]

Can you recommend me what type of enzymes I should be looking into? I know absolutely nothing about digestive enzymes, I'm just learning everything now. Is it possible to rebuild enzymes in the stomach or do you have to take them with every meal?

I had my Diamine Oxidase enzyme tested and it was so low it didn't even read on the scale. I bought some DAO supplement, but I haven't tried it yet. I don't think other enzymes were tested.

[dang in reply to dang]

Sorry I just re-read your post and I see you don't have to take them with every meal (good to know).

[dtate2016 in reply to dang]

I take a multiple digestive enzyme ( somehow I think we're not supposed to recommend any brands I'm not sure what the rules are to tell the truth) The contents of this particular digestive enzyme and again there are many - but this one contains : Betaine HCI, Alpha amylase, Pepsin (ratio 1:10,000), Bromelain, Papain, Bile Salt, Pancreatin, And Lipase.

Again I have taken other brands and other multiple proprietary blends. Here in the states we can buy these at any health food store and usually there's someone knowledgeable at the health food stores if you just ask them for digestive enzymes that show you the whole isle of them. I'm assuming there a health food stores in the UK maybe you call them something else .

[dang in reply to dtate2016]

Thanks for the info, I'm actually in Germany so I'll see about asking at the pharmacy here (pharmacies here have a lot of homeopathic and alternative meds whereas I can't find health stores like back in North America), and I'll also do some more research into such enzymes as I was just reading about them for the first time last night. By doing research on this last night I also realized I've been taking certain strains of probiotic which are making my condition worse. So now my next step is to find the right single strain probiotics, find a good digestive enzyme, and figure out how to take the DAO supplement.

Thanks again for your recommendation!

[JAJsasper12]

I hope you get this message! I am in a similar situation. I couldn’t eat meat until I found a certain farmer that would basically feed his animals what I didn’t have triggers too. I found out I have a long list of food sensitives and once I started eating meat that avoided these as well when the animals are feed I could do it. I still can’t eat pork or shellfish bc high histamine. But I can eat grass fed beef- it has to be 100% a lot of places says grass fed but then at the end they are given supplemental grains or feed to fatten the up so it’s not “100% grass fed and finished”. I was able to find this at certain whole foods but I had to ask 100% to make sure it was 100 %. Chicken was much harder to find. Soy is on of the biggest feeds they use and one of my biggest triggers. So I found a farmer who lets their chickens be free range and eat what they find and also feeds them a feeed only when necessary (like in winter) and it is free of anything that isn’t AIP and is non gmo. I can finally tolerate it. Before that I had not eaten chicken in 9 months I know it’s hard to go without. Same goes for fish- has to be wild caught. Not all that day they are wild caught actually are- they are in fact in the wild but inside a cage and still supplemented at food. I especially has found this true for how resteraunts label their “wild” fish. So again ask 100 million questions. There is a wild slamon and haddock at Costco I can eat. They also carry a keto wild salmon I can not eat. But I know there are now a lot of places online that will ship true wild caught fish. Which I plan to look into soon. Good luck! It’s so hard to find something that will work. I haven’t had butcher box but from my prilimanry looks at it it looks like the beef might work.

[dang in reply to JAJsasper12]

Hey sorry for the super late reply. Yea I think we totally feel each other’s pain! 😅

For me it has more to do with how fresh something is, so I know certain farmers / stores where I can get proper fresh chicken and that works for me. Same with fish, I’ve learned the brands that I can handle, has to be frozen first or else the histamine levels are too much, and only a few brands seem to freeze their fish fast enough after catching to avoid the histamine issue.

Actually I didn’t know what my issue was for many years and I just realized that meat was giving me issues. Until I learned that I have these intolerances I went 12 years without chicken!! 12 years!!!! Haha, I’m so glad I can eat it again.

I’ll certainly never be able to have cold cuts or anything processed, but the fact that i can have a fresh piece of chicken has done a lot for me, physically, mentally, and even socially (as I’ve found some restaurants I can actually go out to).

Thanks for reaching out. As unfortunate as it is, it’s also nice to know that there are others dealing with these issues. Most other people will never understand, and some even poke fun not realizing how much grief and stress such intolerances can actually cause in one’s life.

[jacobite33]

Hey Dang,hope your well!

I know this is an old post but it was showing up in the AIP diet.How did you get on with reintroducing chicken?

Will