Drinking Milk

[shelon64]

Every time I have a small glass of milk, whole, skim, or 2% my throat feels like it is locking up, and it's like I have a big air bubble that won't come out. It stays like that for at least 24 hours. I love milk but I only drink it once a mo. and that's just a small glass, less then a 1/2 pint. What is wrong with milk?

[galathea]

Lactose? Have you tried goats milk?

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[Learner1]

Many people are allergic to casein, a milk protein. It blocks methylation, too, affecting your ability to detoxify, replicate DNA, etc.

There are many substitutes these days, hemp, flax, almond, coconut milks, etc.

Or, you might try sheep milk or goat milk.

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to Learner1]

I believe that in the UK the non-animal alternatives cannot now be called "milk" at all. Alpro, for example, use "drink"!

This is because of the confusion caused - it could easily read that "almond milk" has a similar nutrional profile to animal milks. Whereas it is actually very different. Children fed with non-animal milks have suffered malnutrition, sometimes severe, because they were treated as equivalent.

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

Care to explain what CAFO means?

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

Thanks - many people here would not recognise the abbreviation.

[Summer64]

I'm experimenting with lactose free milk at the moment to see if it helps my IBS. So far so good. I use Arla which is cows milk with the lactose taken out and therefore tastes the same as ordinary milk. It's £1.35 for 2 pts in Tesco so a bit dearer.

[Chippysue]

Coconut milk and almond milk is nice

[HLAB35]

I make kefir from local, organic whole milk (cows raised on pasture) and it has helped with lactose issues - basically it contains bacteria that produce the lactase enzyme that breaks down lactose. However, it could be that you are properly allergic to casein - so should be looking at milk alternatives as your reaction sounds like anaphylaxis. Did you try taking an antihistamine to reduce the swelling, as this may help in an emergency? I would visit your pharmacist for now if I were you and then ask to have an allergy test with your GP in the near future.

[elaine2447]

You're quite right about antibiotics in the U.K. of course. There was a farmer being interviewed and he said well when a cow has mastitis the milk is pasteurised! Who wants to drink pasteurised pus! I only ever drank organic milk but I have since given that up, always knew I was intolerant but in small amounts was okay. In the U.K. it's illegal to sell unpasteurised milk and with good reason and I for one would never drink anything unpasteurised having unwittingly been given it in Italy in the late 60's. Even then it was illegal there and thanks to the hotel I ended up in hospital and unable to work for three months due to having brucellosis.

[elaine2447]

Sadly everything to do with animals is appalling and profitable. We had a scandal at Christmas with our holier than though Marks & Spencer when PETA did an undercover investigation of their chicken farms.

[Katepots]

Almond milk, yum yum!

[MrsBoilie]

Milk makes mucus! Since taking it out of my diet my breathing is better, my cough has reduced and my acid reflux has pretty much gone. I know it's important for calcium so I take a good supplement.

[Katepots]

Ps we have a small farm all animals free range. Cows just grass fed and grass finished, no antibiotics ever. Very healthy and happy. We are about you just need to find a local farm and pay them a visit. Supermarkets, bah!

[posthinking01]

Try lactose free milk sold in most supermarkets - it is called Lactofree by Arla.

[posthinking01]

Forgot Waitrose etc also do lactose free butter - cream - and cheese.

[Carolcatfanatic]

Hi shelon64

There is everything wrong with drinking milk for all human beings past weaning age. There are issues with the fact that the milk is from another species and that the hormones in milk from a cow are designed to grow a baby calf, whose growth rate is rapid and massive compared to a human baby's growth rate fed on human milk. Also, dairy cows have Mastitis which means that when we take milk, we are taking on millions of pus cells, which are not killed off during pasteurisation. It is a cruel industry with the calves being separated from their mother at birth and fed milk in a trough; not allowed to suckle, naturally as the milk is primarily the result of the state of perpetual pregnancy of the cows, the main purpose for the dairy industry's profits. notmilk.com gives a plethora of information which i have found to be true by experimenting with abstaining and reintroduction of dairy myself.

Look around at nature; you will see mother animals physically push their young off their teats at a certain age as they know that taking milk past a certain age is not good for their young and it is not good for the mother's wellbeing either as minerals and vitamins are depleted and all mothers need to recover from pregnancy, birth and lactation.

I too cannot take any milk or dairy products as I get the exact same symptoms; lumpy, swelling throat, post nasal mucous drip and feel very fatigued and flu-like symptoms. On the recommendation of a health/diet guru, i tried goat and sheep milk and dairy products, only to have the exact same symptoms and developed the usual snotty, hacking cough and infected sinuses as i do with any other dairy products.

I also attribute the bowel cancer I had (i grew polyps) to my daily consumption of dairy ; milk in tea, cheese sandwich, fromage frais, yoghurt, cream at the weekends, using milk for packet sauces and pasta, cottage cheese, quark, etc etc. Too much red meat and meat in general was consumed too. If you look at labels, as i do now, you will see the dairy industry is very greedy and wastes nothing as whey and milk solids and lactose are stuffed into much of the processed food we eat and drink, even things you would not imagine to contain milk or dairy by products.

I have Aldi supermarket soya milk; which i know is not the best thing in the world for Hashimoto's but it only has 6% soya. I limit my intake though, and also take almond milk. I miss cheese; it took a long time of mourning for dairy but it will be 15 years (in March 2017) that i am cancer free. I now choose not to have any dairy (even chocolate can trigger symptoms of a cold ) and I am definitely much better off for it. It has been proven many times in my household as i withness my daughters who still have dairy muck with hacking coughs, colds, snot galore and my husband and me (both dairy free) are unaffected and don't "catch" their colds !

[shelon64 in reply to Carolcatfanatic]

I was diagnosed with per-cancer to my bowels, stomach, and lower esophagus. The last upper and lower GI the doctor took out 2 polyps and gave me the diagnosis. I guess I am going to eliminate all dairy products from my diet. Thank you!

[Carolcatfanatic in reply to shelon64]

Wow, I am glad you have had the polyps removed and that you are being monitored. I had polyps in the colon and one in the rectum that was the monster. I had surgery, chemo and a stoma/ileosotomy bag for 14 years.

Reversal and major hernia repair last year. Recovery has been a struggle to manage the my bowel function, as i lost most of the rectum during the low anterior resection and formation of colo-pouch made from the colon in 2001. I also lost another 10 inches of small intestine last year as there were adhesions and hernia was strangulating causing life-threatening blockages.

Our bodies cannot handle the extra growth hormone in milk and dairy and it can develop into tumours. It did in my case I am sure.

[julieju in reply to Carolcatfanatic]

How strange but very interesting. I don't seem to tolerate milk very well at all. I get bad indigestion from even a small bit in my tea. Same with cheese & pastry. Eggs are OK.

[JOLLYDOLLY]

We use lactose free milk now as a family and gluten free products. I personally, can be sensitive to certain foods. Not allergic but sometimes, I get like an itching sensation in my throat. Even some shell fish I have to be careful with.

[posthinking01]

I am hyper allergic to most chemicals - due to Lupus etc. - so if there was anything that bad in it - I would come out in a rash and be on the loo most of the day and I am not.

[posthinking01]

that is your opinon - not all organic food is good for you.

[Ebs73]

I have awful joint pain when I consume cow dairy. I fell off the milk wagon for Christmas and am now in pain and limping! I live cheese and ice cream and everyone was indulging so I joined in 😮 now I'm paying the price. I normally use goat or sheep's dairy and am grain free and avoid refined sugars etc I also use coconut milk as some other vegan milks are dubious! Good luck in finding an alternative milk ☺

[Stourie]

I was brought up on a farm and used to go out to the byre and milk the cow into a cup and drink it. Lovely, but don't think I'd like it so much now.

Jo xx

[Katepots]

I haven't but I should!

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

If you wanted to, you could impose a comprehensive microbiological testing regime on cheeses. There is sufficient time to do so between original making and maturing of most cheeses.

Doing so for milk would be much more difficult because you need to do so in a very tight time between milking and sale of the milk.

I have often eaten raw milk cheeses, and still do, but there are question marks over them. For example:

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-...

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

That is why I posted a link which included the fact that there is controversy. Agreed.

[waveylines]

My sister has an allergy to milk products so has to avoid it. I do think you should get yours checked at the GP as it sounds like a serious reaction that could increase and could affect your breathing. In other words it is possible that you might need to carry an antidote in case you inadvertently absorb whatever it is that is causing the reaction. Also it would be helful to know precisesly what in the milk you are reacting to so you know what to avoid in food and drink.

I recently undertook some tests to find out what was in sticky plasters could be causing a big skin reaction. I had 120 patch tests.....never got as far as the pric tests they were proposing as they found the substances causing it. Not what I thought and turned out to have implications for skin creams, soaps and fabric softeners as well as make up. I wouldnt have thought of these just stopped using plasters!! Lol....

[elaine2447]

I stand corrected, I thought it had been banned all over the U.K. not just Scotland but I assume by law there is a health risk on the label. Having been what I went through in 1969 and still suffering the consequences, I would never drink anything unpasteurised nor give it to my children or grandchildren, it's just not worth the risk. I know pasteurisation was introduced initially because of TB but there are still farmers who I believe would be unscrupulous and could easily sell on a cow infected with brucella with no visible symptoms. I don't believe it is caused through uncleanliness, not sure, but is highly contagious and can even be inhaled, vets, meat packers and slaughterhouse employees are more at risk. I remember decades ago the government didn't think vaccinations justified the expense but I am not up to date with that as I say I just avoid it.

[shelon64]

I have no problem with butter, it is just milk.

[MiniMum97 in reply to shelon64]

Milk is high in lactose but butter is low lactose. As you have no problems with butter, suggests it may be the lactose. Try some lactose free milk and see if you still get the same problem.

[Carolcatfanatic]

I avoid processed foods as much as possible and try to eat clean 80% of the time.

It is very difficult to be totally clean eating when my two daughters aged 21 and 24, who still live at home, favour processed foods and eating out in shopping malls at the dodgy chain restaurants that has become a "lifestyle" . I try to cook most meals for my 8 month old Grand-daughter, who also lives at home with her Mum. Lots of fresh veg, no wheat or dairy and small amounts of chicken, turkey and sometimes small amounts of pork medallion with the veg.

I cook fresh vegetables, soups, prepare salads much to the rejection of my daughters. It is worrying as I fear the legacy of bowel cancer and general ill health they are brewing for themselves, but what can you do, eh horse ... water ... bah! I am a fan of Jason Vale Juicemaster ; juices, smoothies and clean eating recipes. Fish is very acidic, so I have to limit that too. I am back on the juice, smoothies, salads, soups diet next week, following recipes in Jason Vale's app/new book Super Fast Food; No Chef Required which are really easy to prep and taste good.

[SewingBee]

I can totally relate to that. I changed to goat's milk years ago.

[SewingBee]

I forgot to say that I have 'Oat' milk on my cereal.

[rubyred777 in reply to SewingBee]

Hi SewingBee , I would love to have a bowl of cereal everyday. Can't tolerate milk. Even the lactose free milk bothers me. Soy gives me gas. Rice tastes like water, and I believe almond milk gives me gas. I have never heard of oat milk. Is it good? Ruby🌹

[posthinking01]

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl... - see link

and many years ago I saw a programme regarding organic vegetables that have non chemical fertilizer put on them which of course would be great - but it was slurry based from the cow herd - I have Lupus and organic vegetables - are a no no because they might contain elements considered safe which indeed are not.

[DollyCon]

From being a small child at school where we were forced to down those little bottles of milk at break, I have hated milk! Just tasting it makes me heave!

Poor old cows. They do their best but I agree with everything about antibiotics in farmed products we consume.

But hey! Happy New Year all!

DollyCon

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to DollyCon]

They were so often somewhat off. When they weren't hanging around getting warmed up in the sun, they were being defrosted[1] by the boiler. Either way, they were disgusting.

Have since, in my cynical way, wondered if school milk was old, leftover milk. The milk at home was never as foul.

Thankfully, they were only a third of a pint...

[1] I am sure winters were colder and we had far more frosty mornings...

[Carolcatfanatic in reply to helvella]

Oh man, your words took me back to primary school and having a battle with my teacher who was forcing me to drink the white poison. I was heaving into the waste paper bin that she put beside me. I went all shades of green and in the end my Mum wrote a letter to exclude me from taking milk. Shuddering nasty memories !

[Taminaone in reply to DollyCon]

DollyCon depending on your age the school milk was probably from grass fed cows with no antibiotics/hormones pushed in - at least that would have been the case in the 50s I would think. Often wonder if that is why the war generation, now in their 80s and 90s are living so long because though food was rationed what they ate was from pure organic soil, no pesticides in those days.

[DollyCon in reply to Taminaone]

Mmmmmmmmmn think you could be right. Not only that but food was scarce. My mother lived till 92 and was an abstemious, healthy eater.

[j1964]

I have the same problem if I don't drink it often enough, I get reflux from it. If I drink it every day I don't have any problem. Wierd!! I guess it must be some kind of lactose intolerance. So, maybe just try the same and see if it solves the problem. If not you may be too intolerant. My sister has an intolerance to lactic acid and takes a pill of some sort before eating or drinking products with a lot of it and is just fine.

[LeVern]

It's made for baby cows! If it causes you problems you obviously need to stop drinking it. Do your research it causes problems for lots of people. Ever tried almond milk?

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to LeVern]

Almond milk is nutritionally very different to any animal milk. Whilst it might provide a substitute for use in, say, tea or coffee, it often has more sugars and less protein - with numerous other differences.

I am sure your research will have explained the other nutritional differences which could be of the utmost imprtance.

[SewingBee]

Oats milk isn't difficult to find and it's great because it doesn't change the flavour of the cereal. Shake it very well though before you pour!

[Ill_us-Ions]

Lots of things wrong with processed milk. Try goats milk, or better still if you can get it raw (goats milk).