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Adrenavive II experiences or advice

Hello, I had my appointment with Dr Peatfield yesterday :) so glad I made the trip. He has suggested that adrenals may be my core issue, perhaps stopping my thyroid working effectively. I am doing a saliva adrenal test and some extra thyroid tests (the urine one) and I've bought some Adrenavive II which he recommended.

I just wondered if anyone has any experience of Adrenavive II? Or any tips generally.

Thanks

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I cannot give advice but am glad that Dr Peatfield was able to consult as he's not been well recently.

I hope your adrenals will soon be restored.

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Thank you :) yes Dr Peatfield was in good spirits! Good to see him doing OK

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Yes, I take Adrenavive II and have done so now for over a year. After six months I had a cortisol saliva test and the results were good. I had another test recently and again results are good. I initially had very low levels. I take one 250mg an hour after my morning thyroid meds and one 125mg a hour after my early afternoon meds.

Hope this helps.

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Thank you :) this is good to hear! Does taking it give you more energy? I am sooooo exhausted. I know not to expect a miracle cure, and I must take it slowly with treatment so I don't crash, but hoping for some more energy in life.

Has it had an effect for you on sleeping? I generally manage 6 hours at most. And when I was on antidepressants I could sleep no longer than 2 hours! So I worry about insomnia returning. But Dr Peatfield said that adrenal fatigue can cause trouble sleeping, so medication for adrenals hopefully should improve sleep.

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Yes, I had severe symptoms of very low cortisol: anxiety, depression, insomnia, feelings of something dreadful happening. When I began taking cortex these feelings gradually diminished and went away. Low cortisol also affects the conversion of T4 to T3 and this meant very little thyroid meds were actually penetrating the cells in the body to do their work. Hence, I was hypo despite taking an adequate amount of thyroid hormones.

When you are hypo for long periods of time, puts a tremendous amount of stress on the adrenals whereby they become under-productive. It is cortisol that is needed to help metabolise thyroid medication. By supporting adrenals helps thyroid meds do their job. You also need optimal levels of vits and minerals as well as iron.

It sounds as though you are doing all the right things to move forward in your health.

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Thanks so much. I'm so sorry to hear you've had a tough time like this too! But glad you've found results. And that gives me hope too!

I'm in such a sensitive place I have been unable to tolerate supplements and too exhausted to cook healthy meals! But I'm learning ways to gently find easy ways to top up my vits and minerals naturally and healthily. Though it is tough!

Yes definitely got hypo symptoms and Dr Peatfield is checking this out as well.

It's reassuring to hear a positive story, thanks

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I use Adrenavive III and it is a good as the Nutri-meds stuff I used to take, but much cheaper as it doesn't have to be imported from the US. BUT, it has taken a lot of years to get to a state where my adrenals are mostly OK and I don't think it will happen with just supplements - I used healing sounds, meditation and plenty of rest as well.

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Thank you for your guidance there too! And I agree it's not just about the meds. I am an alternative therapist too, so know exactly where you're coming from :)

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I went to see Dr P last week and he recommended I start Adrenavive iii which I did from Saturday. I also reduced my Levo from 75mcg to 50. However after two days I suffered fainting, extreme exhaustion and the inability to focus or understand anything. I had to stay in bed. I think it might have been too strong for me but I'm not sure. Adrenavive ii is a weaker version and I expect this is probably easier for the body to use. Taking the right dose is probably key. All the best with your treatment.

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Thank you for the warning! Yes I am Very sensitive so I will be treading carefully. I am sorry you had this tough experience! Did you let Dr Peatfield know what happened? They said to contact them if anything negative happens and stop taking it straight away. Just wondered if you were able to get in touch and check whether to try again but maybe half the capsule if that's possible, or maybe even just some crumbs at first! Hoping my capsules will arrive today, and will see if I can half the dose... I had been wondering this and Dr Peatfield and Lynne said I might be able to.

They said to increase after 7-10 days if I feel better, but even tthere I'm wondering whether to go slower. My urge is to rush as I'm so desperate to feel better and have been feeling awful for ages... but I know this could lead to a crash. I know how sensitive my body is...

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Hi tinkerbell22, thanks for your reply. Yes I did let him know and I'll be having a proper phone consultation on Friday. For now I've been asked to stop the Adrenavive iii. Dr P said I should reduce the levothyroxine immediately so I did that upon his advice. He said my body isn't using Levo properly. Dr P and Lynne also asked me to increase the dosage of Adrenavive iii after 7-10 days but clearly I won't be doing that just yet. Dr P said I was one of the worst cases of Adrenal Fatigue he'd ever seen so maybe that's why he recommended the Adrenavive iii. At what point were you asked to take the saliva cortisol and urine thyroid hormones tests? Was this 7-10 days after taking Adrenavive? Dr P also recommended Progesterone cream but I am not going to try anything else new for now.

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Yes I'd say take it easy! I'm new to this but that seems to be a fundamental factor wtih adrenals and everything connected to them, make changes slowly. Don't rush...

I was just reading how Dr P says if you get a reaction like you did it could be the thryoid hormones suddenly getting to work because you took adrenal support treatment? And the therefore the key is to lower your thyroid meds. So this fits with the advice they gave you.

I'm so sorry you're having a difficult time too. But glad you have an appointment by phone tomorrow :) I hhope it goes well!

We decided it was best for me to take the ccortisol / adrenal saliva test Before starting the Adrenavive. We discussed just starting the Adrenavive but felt it best to get test first, but then start Adrenavive while waiting for thr results of the test. He's pretty sure I need it, and that I've had adrenal problems for 30 yrs... so not in a good state either.But good to do the test ininitially. I had a blood test for cortisone via my gp and tthough it's within range, Dr P said it was a little low.

The thyroid urine test, he said I could wait before doing this, as the key is to get my adrenal test before treatment. But I could also do both now. I bit the bullet and bought both just so we can see where we're at at a ground level, before any treatment.

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Sorry just noticed this. Where did you read about how Dr P says if you get a reaction it could be the thyroid hormones suddenly working after taking the adrenal support? I've been scouring the internet for an explanation for days.

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Hello, I read this in the information pack Dr P gave me after our initial consult. Did you get this? The specific document is called Understanding Treatment of Lowered Metabolism on A4 paper, 9 pages long. The bit I'm mentioning to you is page 5, last paragraph. It matches what Dr P said to you, so he is telling you what's in the document as well. Hope this helps xx

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I was also given the information pack and I did read it but this was probably a few days ago and since then I've not been feeling that well. Thanks I'll have another read.

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Also, I'm learning the importance of only changing One thing at a time. You mentioned you canged the Levo dose at the same time as starting the Adrenavive? It may have been the ccombination of changes that triggered a bigger reaction?

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Adrenavive II is just adrenal cortex and no adrenaline, it's half the dose of adrenavive III, it works pretty well. Since taking it I've noticed my anxiety has gradually improved with 6 mths of treatment.

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Ah that's super you've had this positive experience :) well done! Thanks for sharing

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B COMPLEX VITAMIN AND VIT C GREAT FOR ADRENALS TOO.....

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Thanks! Yes, I have some vitamin deficiencies but find every time I take a supplement I have a funny reaction one way or another, so am having to just raise my levels by finding foods/drinks that help gently. I'm A right sensitive one lol. I do hope I can manage to take the Adrenavive ok!!

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there is a drink called mighty maca on amazon that helps with adrenals...I mix a tiny scoop in a cup orange juice, you barely can taste it....and it has other nutrients in it....alkalizes the body and supports the adrenals...a dr invented it to help with her own adrenal issues...I started it last month....

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jacrjacr just seen this thread about Adrenavive II. Interested in the mighty Macs on amazon but can only find capsules. Is there anything on the name that I have missed. Is it Macca Greens?

Thank you

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You can buy the raw ingredient of maca. I say raw, it's actually powdered. Organic too which is great. I add it to my veg smoothie each morning and my husband just puts it into cold milk. You can put it in virtually anything really. Soup, fruit juice, yogurt, plain water... It has amazing benefits and lots of nutrients and minerals

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Thank you Noelnoel

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Can I ask those of you who saw Dr P with across the board low cortisol.. how low it was? I have 4 lows as my saliva test results and have been told I prob need hydrocortisone to treat them but I would like to explore other options and am interested in the adrenavive. Does it work for such severe adrenal fatigue? Many thanks

Chloe

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Hi SeaVee79, so sorry I've only just seen your question now. Did you have any success in treatment? And are you still looking for the answer to this question?

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How did u do on a Adrenavive II ? I am starting it too by Dr p advice.Iam so nervous .Could you tell me how was ur journey with it!?When it started actually work?

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Hi Ari3, I didn't continue Adrenavive in the end, but it did help me initially. I took it about 4-6 months. It helped me feel more alive. I am very very sensitive though so I only took a tiny bit at a time (quarter of a capsule!). I had a lot going on with high sensitivity to other meds though at the time, and I decided to focus my input on my thyroid meds. So I stopped taking adrenavive. I didn't stop it because it didn't work for me, just that I found I could only tolerate one type of medication a day, and for me the priority had to be my thyroid meds.

Are you on any thyroid meds? I have read about people having difficulty taking both together as adrenal treatment can give you a surge in how your thyroid hormones work. So you can end up with your thyroid meds very suddenly being too high. Just something to be cautious of.

I would suggest starting with only a tiny bit of adrenavive. I bought empty capsules and divided a capsule into small amounts so I could reduce any risk of negative effects. But I am very sensitive...

Hope this helps and good luck

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Iam on 1/4 grain NDT morning and 1/4grain afternoon.She told me to start on 1 capsule a day.If iam sensitive than I should start half capsule a day for two weeks and than increase on 1 capsule a day.Why iam on Adrenavive is because I have suffered from anxiety and panic attacks many years and been on citalopram and I came off than my hypothyroidism started and Hashimoto since last year sept.I started on a Levothyroxine could handle 50mcg as when I upped dose I suffered from stomach pain I had muscle and joint pain etc had also allergic side effects from it -rash and breathing difficulty .i stopped it .i tried twice attempt to Levothyroxine I couldn’t continue and also had depression.Secondly I started with t3 only I couldn’t contiune just with 5mcg morning and 5mcg evening first day I was really good for couple of days it gave me booze once I started to up the dose I suffered from sharp stomach pain diahrea I felt so dizzy had fainting attacks and low sugar levels (iam not diabetic) just couldn’t rise more than that.I started NDT and again I can’t raise more than 1/2 grain as I feel dizzy light headed shap stomach pain and cracking spine (that thing started once I was on levothyroxine and hasn’t gone since).hissing in ears is so so loud I live with it for many month.Dr.p told me I have adrenal issues and I told him how hard my life was as a child too and stressful at work and since I came in uk .As I child I was abused and didn’t have easy life after anyway....suffered from panic attacks and anxiety disorder.He told me to start with Adrenavive and that adrenal issues are stopping for medication to work.I have stomach pain all over my stomach so so bad hissing in ears has gone really bad and loud I have severe spine pain with cracking sounds and popping joints all over body and iam only 31.Could be my adrenals are really bad!?i also have done SST test in hospital recently .awating for results .i just want to get better :-(

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I understand, and I'm so sorry you've struggled so much too and been through so much. I've had a long rough journey too, and I'm still not well but I've learnt So much, and definitely made some progress. You will too. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other, little steps. Listen to your body.

You sound sensitive so I'd recommend just taking a quarter of a capsule first just in case. I noticed a difference immediately.

What brands of levothyroxine and T3 did you try? I've just been writing in another conversation how I had severe reactions to UK brands of levothyroxine but US brand Synthroid I tolerate. And T3 I buy online too, so that's not UK either.

It could be an adrenal problem at the root of things for you. It is worth trying and seeing how you feel, but I'd definitely go cautiously given your history of symptoms. It's better to take a tiny bit and not get any reaction than to take a little bit too much and set yourself back with a reaction, as it takes time and energy to recover from a reaction. It's easy to rush when we're desperate for a solution, it's hard to learn to slow down and take it carefully. Been there, done that and got a good set of t-shirts lol...

Have you had vitamin B tested? If vitamin B's are low they can cause anxiety too. I benefited from some vitamin B when I could tolerate it.

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Yes I decreased my dose of Adrenavive II on quarter a capsule and I can feel the difference now no dizziness finally.i guess iam sensitive like you ! So could you pm and take me through ur journey a bit about this Adrenavive .How did u increase the dose slowly -3/4 capsule a day for how long and than did u up the dose and how much and again for how long ? What did u notice while on Adrenaviveii? Pls I need ur advice as u r the same sensitive as me .i would appreciate all ur efforts towards helping me .was u on thyroid med before u used Adrenavive or u used it for some time and than upped the dose of thyroid med ?i can surely feel that my hypo symptoms are slowly creeping back as I was on 1/2 morning ndt and 1/4 afternoon (it was not final dose) but I needed to decrease dose of 1/4 grain and stay on 1/4 morning and 1/4 afternoonfor now while iam on a Adrenavive

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I found I couldn't increase my adrenavive as it would make my head race, so I found a tiny dose that I could manage and then I was fine on it :) it really is trial and error, very much so! Taking little steps. Seeing how your body and mind react to a little bit, then wait and see how you do, then try a tiny bit more, then wait and see how you feel. Some days your body and mind can react differently to other days! How much sleep you have has an effect too. So beware of ups and downs that are natural. You may need to change your dosage accordingly. Some days my sensitivity is higher than others, as a result of tiredness / lack of sleep / menstrual cycle or even if I've not been eating properly! There are so many factors to consider. I find it important to keep a diary of my doses and key symptoms and sleep, and any major notes (e.g. a stressful trigger that could affect how I react to my meds). Whatever happens, it's best to start low and creep the dose up. And be very conscious of signs of creeping up too high.

I think I generally had a 1/4 adrenavive in the morning and then when I felt this was balanced ok, I settled on 2 doses of 1/4 adrenavive a day (one early morning and the 2nd at lunchtime). I didn't always stick to 2x a day doses though. I listened to my body.

I must say though, I've since read that T3 can be used to help the adrenals!!! There's a book called Recovering from T3 by Paul Robinson that mentions this. I didn't follow his other book about T3 and adrenals specifically, can't remember the title, as it involves waking yourself up about 5am lol, and I couldn't bear that as I have insomnia and my sleep is therefore incredibly precious when I have it. But reading this about T3 made me stop adrenavive and focus on T3 instead. I've read varying information about adrenal glandular like adrenavive, not all positive, and found I connected more with T3 as a medicine. However, I take a micro dose of T3 compared to other people!!! I only take about 4mcg a day total! And that I divide into 2 doses.... I grind up my tablets (using a Carex tablet grinder) and use a "microspoon" (also on ebay) to measure the powder, and place the powder from the microspoon into an empty capsule. I divided one tablet of T3 into as many microspoons as I could get out of a tablet. I then counted the number of capsules I had. I then divided the dose of the tablet by the number of capsules I had with t3 in them. This told me how many mcg there were of T3 per capsule, so I knew how much T3 was in each of my microspoon doses.

Some may say there is no way that this tiny dose of T3 is big enough to have an effect, but for me it does and is vital to my existence lol! It gives thyroid hormones as well as helps my adrenals, so it's a double win!

Adrenavive helped me feel alive, happier and more like myself. It gave me a little extra energy, but not enough to do much. Just a little boost. But if I took too much then I would feel high and my mind would race. There was a fine line. I find T3 is the same. But on top of the benefits of adrenavive I also have stronger nails! And less hair loss! So clearly my t3 does something. I take T3 with 75mcg T4, non-British meds. I have also started homeopathy and this appears to be helping too.

It sounds like you need more thyroid hormones if your hypo symptoms are returning, so maybe change the balance again, as you don't want to slip into too hypo to cope... It can quickly escalate.

I took adrenavive before starting thyroid meds, for a month. When I started on thyroid meds I stayed on adrenavive. But I couldn't tolerate the UK thyroid meds I was on. After months I stopped taking the UK thyroid meds. I also had a break from adrenavive and tried natural thyroid. I think I tried some adrenavive again for a while but then read about T3 helping the adrenals so I switched to T3. I had a jumble of efforts in many areas with thyroid meds and adrenals, so there was no clear plan as I tried to find my way.

Everyone's different, but I hope this helps in some way

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When u was on a adrenivive was u on dr P supervision or you decide yourself your doses .did u check adrenals as well during your course of treatment and after how long time u did check from starting it treatment on adenavive?

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Where did I buy empty capsules and how did u decide in 3/4 each? Did I use any accurate scales?

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Hi Ari3, I bought my empty capsules on ebay :) They're a lifesaver for me, as I often need to take smaller portions of meds / supplements. I'll reply to your other message here too

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Thank you so much I feel such a great energy today I can’t explain I tried half capsule of Adrenavive II it made me bit dizzy and same symptoms like u had exactly like a zombie 🧟‍♀️ lol and than I tried one capsule I was even worse so decided this morning to try 3/4 and iam like a new born baby (of course far from it but I can feel the bloody difference ) no dizziness or anything just increased energy.I rang to Lynn and spoke to her she said usually people start with one capsule or half but that’s fine if I feel ok with 3/4 to start with and must be now at least for two weeks until adrenals will kick in.I guess we want results straight away but we must take things easy as u said! Some people are more sensitive than others and we are those who are very sensitive I guess.The only question is how did u manage to put that powder in each capsule it should ow been a hard job.Any tips or advice should be appreciated .u take ur time once u have time just pm me pls .Sorry so many questions -just want to get better

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Ahh super, Ari3 :D see if you can stay on that dose a bit, but listen to your body and do what you feel is best. Glad you experimented to find Your dose.

Lol no worries. I understand completely. And yes the powder is Very tricky! I found with adrenavive I could manage to hold an open half of an empty capsule in one hand and put the lid down in front of me ready to use. And have the open adrenavive capsule in my other hand. I can then sort of gently squeeze and rotate back and forth the adrenavive capsule to get the powder moving and tip it gently into the empty capsule. Sometimes I perch the lid between other fingers at the same time (you get used to that lol), but yes it's very fiddly. I saw on eBay once you can get capsule filling stands/machines but I decided I was better off as I was doing it individually/manually. I put a piece of paper or kitchen roll under where I'm working to catch the powder that inevitably drops lol. I tend to make up a small batch so I can just grab a capsule when needed.

Since swapping adrenavive for T3, I bought a "microspoon". A tiny spoon on a long stick! It's fab! And might help with measuring out your adrenavive and making up capsules. They cost very little on eBay. They come in different sizes.

Hope this helps and good luck

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What size of capsules should I buy? They have sizes on eBay! Could u please direct me my lady thank you :-)

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I mean empty capsules.Did u buy gelantin or vegetable ?

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Hiya, I buy size 2 (the smallest) cellulose. That just suits me as I have difficulty swallowing ;)

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Hi Ari3, I just realised, I didn't mean to suggest that adrenavive isn't right for you, re my comments about T3 and adrenavive! Just that was my experience :) If you've found something is helping then keep at it:)

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Hello this post is one years old but could u share ur expierence about adrenavive how did u up the dose also by using thyroxine side by side ?

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