I.have just had my. Second hip.replacement and it's now six weeks on
My disgusting employers sacked me half way through treatment as I was still unable to.walk.. But now six weeks on I made it unaided up and down two.flights of stairs about 20 times as I was cleaning my sons room and as haven't yet had any physio this was my.physio for the day. Finally hooray I'm.walking again.... But I've been.exercising whilst cleaning my.own house.. A little as my hip.is still sore as the muscles were cut and they need strengthening.. But I've also been.eating the suggested fat burning foods.. Protein s.. Ie avocado. Brazil nuts lentils.tomatoes.. Eggs, spinach.. No cruciferous veg as bad for thyroid.. I only eat three small.meals a day.. Drink.Green tea.. Ive given up smoking and sugar.. And yes you all.know under active thyroid.. But I.weighed myself and after a month of green tea.. Lots of water.. Eating all.the fat burning.. Apparently some of these foods boost metabolism.. But I've put on.weight.. I'm now ten.and a half stone.. Ive done everything possible to lose weight but I just put it on.. I have my.thyroid pills before food and try to get out as much as possible but nothing has worked.. Sooooooo upset,!!!!!!
Can anyone help with sensible suggtions
Please?????
Regards
Astro
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ive just looked at the link you sent.. thats practically what i do eat,,
i dont like pasta, and i rarely eat potatoes, only if im making leek and potato soup for my boy.. other than that i hardly eat them.
Im much more likely to have root artichokes, or something. I rarely eat bread, only one burger bun with soup and thats all the bread i have all day or all week. i still cant lose weight.
Im going to book a docs appointment and see if its water retention related?
I would love to try the slim n save diet you have tried and tested, I've been trying to shift three stone for years.
Is it a club like slimming world, weight watchers etc, slimming world I tried I can't eat all what is expected I only have a small appetite, weight watchers I stuck with it rigid for six weeks didn't lose an ounce.
I would be very grateful if you could tell me more about slim n save.
Congratulations on your weight loss, keep it up and look forward to hearing from you.
First thing I have to say is well done on making the progress you have after your op
Second thing is that there are no fat burning foods, all foods contain calories and too many calories consumed are stored as fat. Avocados while being good for you are very high in fat, albeit good fat, as are Brazil nuts.
Are you counting calories? If not isuggest you do. Check out your individual BMR and take into account your limited mobility then aim to keep your intake 500 calories a day less than your requirement to lose 1lb a week
I don't know what your height is so can't even guess how much overweight you are but I am 5'2" and to lose weight I have to keep my calories down to around 1400 a day and do lots of walking and 3 Aqua aerobics classes a week. Age also plays a factor.
Keep drinking the water that will help and good luck
I was advised that Brazil nuts are good if you're hungry between meals, but i dont eat many of them, and i only have maybe two avocados a week..
I am unsure how you count calories since may things dont have a calorie counter on them..ie,veg,, nuts,,, etc.. also i was advised to have yoghurt and muesli,, well i have that for breakfast and i often dont eat till about 5 or 6 and i dont have a big meal then,, something like a veg burger and soup, since i have a hernia and cant eat alot.
so if i have any smaller meals i dont think i would be even hitting the calorific value of your meals.
Thats why i was getting so fed up ,, I went up and down the stairs 20 times yesterday , i didnt have a great deal to eat , and lots of green tea, and when i got on the scales at the end of the day , i had put on 4 pounds!!!
I cant walk on the pavement without a crutch as its all lumpy,, but if the surface is flat like in doors i can walk,, the main thing is im out of pain,,,
However on seeing my surgeons registra today he advised, no extreme movements with my hips , swimming no breast stroke as one has to do the frog leg thing ,, EVER AGAIN! He also said no yoga sitting as one can dislocate the hip!!! so exercise is limited, dancing and swimming limited,,in fact alot of movement limited!!! No tunning jumping,,blah blah,, so no playing tennis shuttle cock sports,, things like that,, cycling yep!!!! woopeee doo!!!!
but i seem to put on weight if i do any exercise,, i tried to walk with a heavy back pack to strengthen my muscles , and to make it a bit harder so i lost some weight,, but my hips told me not a good idea,,!!!!
you are holding fluid, due to hypothyroidism and inflammation. you would need to eat 3,500 calories, in addition to your normal diet, in order to gain 1 pound. To gain 4 pounds, that means you consumed an an additional 14,000 calories..if it was food related.
i am sorry if i sound frustrated but..Greygoose and i told you what we think. Yet you seem not to notice and are fixated on losing this fat, which is not, through exercise and dieting. People lose weight/fluid with t3 medications and treating your hashimoto's thru functional medicine, so you can get rid of it. Yes, it is curable! I told you, you have myxedema and its fluid, not fat, yet you seem like you are ignoring the advise given. As long as you believe your doctor and think your treatment is adequate, you will stay ill. i know, because this has happened to me for 6 years.
Yes, Faith, you're 100% correct. Myxedema was the cause of my huge arms and odd fat deposits. Taking supplement NAC and hot yoga/dancing did something to shake things up and the mucin crap vanished!!!
i have not had relief and now am so tired and in pain, that i cannot exercise. I have just learned that i failed my adrenal stim test in 2012!!! i was told it was normal. maybe too little cortisol is my problem too? Any help here would be appreciated. i hate doctors!
I just wanted to tell you what I have learned... One you should not weight yourself everyday.. In the event you feel you should it should be same time everyday preferably in the morning after you first urinate.. And never weigh yourself at end of day as everyone skinny or heavy will always weigh more.. It's normal you drink? Eat throughout day and scale will always reflect that.. Be patient
Try Google. There's a great calorie counter. Just Google calories and whatever the name of what you're trying to assess the value of. Like ,' calories big orange'. I too struggling to lose the stone I put on and was convinced I must have been calculating calories wrongly. So I wrote down every single thing I put in my mouth and then worked out precisely the calories with the help of Google every night. And I had calculated correctly but seems 1k-1200 \ day doesn't shift any weight and unlikely to do so till optimally mediated. Dammn 😨
Ah just read this. Maybe you could ask about physio or occupational therapy as you need to get back into exercise gently when you're ready. I don't know if you're stressed. Stress makes symptoms worse and slows us down more when we are hypo I believe. To help it's good to meditate or use mindfulness. There are loads of helpful videos on YouTube. They are the only thing that help me sleep since giving up smoking. I've read a better nights sleep can help with weight liss too...something to do with melatonin. Also increasing endorphins and serotonin, exercise, sexy, laughing...watch good comedy films. When changing your diet to completely healthy still doesn't make you lose weight gotta try other strategies...never give up, don't lose hope. X
Hi there! I had my second hip replacement on 14 January so probably a little before you and I have put weight on as well! But be kind to yourself, you have had major surgery plus the idiot of a boss putting extra pressure on you. I do t know about you but I put more weight on with this one than my first which was 6 years ago and so 6 years older which I feel does make a difference but I think/know several factors contributed to my weight gain. I was just improving so much on NDT and for the last few years had bumped up the different vitamins I have been taking and also the amounts as I hadn't been converting well so I had gradually been losing weight over that period with even trying so disappointing to know I have put a lot straight back.
I was told I must stop taking these a week before the operation and took a dip in form even for that short while. I came out of the operation will what only could be described as having a third buttock! the normal two but a third more on the side! One the second day after I started being sick after every meal so I don't think I was getting the full benefit from my meds either and again went down hill even more. Trying to be kind there forced me into taking a PPI an hour after my meds and it should have been 4 and other little thinks went wrong which didn't help either. Movement wise I was ahead of schedule but I was S helical of the new regime of doing anything I could if it didn't hurt and may gait still isnt right walking down stairs. Next week I am House Manager in a theatre with no lift and the stalls level is already about a row of shops so it is t going to be easy but if this had been my job I'm sure I would still be signed off or be on very light duties. I'm also 68 do would be difficult to do this for a living. Your boss should have been more caring. It was the pain killers making me sick and the anti sickness pills didn't help at all so o was pretty weak for quite a while. This last few days ice started to lose some of the swelling so I'm hoping I e turned the corner. I don't think I was like this with the first, just one sickness bout after surgery so may be being older does come into the equation as well. You sound to be doing well after six weeks and yes you need gentle exercise but you need to rest as well. If you feel like crawling into bed in an afternoon then do it! You will be better for it so yes push yourself but not too hard and I'm sure the weight will start getting back to normal soon. I had a very wobbly period after about 7 weeks, still in a lot of pain as had to stop my pain relieve but I couldn't decide was I doing too much or two little plus I felt my leg was twisted. She gave my a thorough examination and explained the some of the muscles were fine but others still very weak and this was why I felt like I did! It was normal and do on her advice I altered my day, up bright and early and even that takes time as you know then my exercises and if I could manage to get my shoes on myself and it was dry outside a walk. Then lunch and a little of my exercises as not to harm digestion then bed got at least an hour, sometimes I did sleep but usually listened to the radio or watched tv but tried to keep fairly flat to rest the hip. Then refreshed would go another bout of exercises and then a little later ate tea but didn't do anything too sensuous befor bed but relaxed so a little pushing, better paced exercise and a lot of reflection and realization that I was doing well. Think back to the days when just getting in and out of bed took such a long time and so very painful and give yourself a pat on the back and praise your achievemts. I'm sure the weight will go as your body heals and you are able to do more. My first him I had a pulmonary embolism and busted back into hospital and the picked up the norovirus in hospital so barrier nursed so I mistakenly thought this time would be easy-it wasn't! You need time to heal and yes it's very frustrating but don't worry, it will happen. I made a big step forward about 10 days ago do listen to your body and everything will drop into place but it needs time.
Sorry this has been so long winded but I'd forgotten how difficult the first time had been as well and as we are in the same situation I wanted to share my experience in the hope it will encourage you and others who may experience this in future years will know and remember that it is major surgery and although it seems forever at the time it is t really and also you had this operation for a reason, you were in pain but you swapped it for another kind of pain but one that will get better over time you have for there before and you will do that again!
I read and enjoyed your story however long,, im just hoping that by my questions and answers I can help others,, so if i cant find it ,, i have to ask it...
Yes my tit of a boss,, welll the carrots they dangle at that place put the fear up most of the officers there , who think they have to produce high figures every day or they will lose their job,,,
So may are losing their job that they fear if they make any mistakes they will too ,,the fear is very real especially if there are others dependant on you,,
Anyway,, my disgusting ex work told me i was out of time to appeal, and they wouldn't re employ me anyway because of the health and safety issue of employing someone with two replacement hips for any job involving the public ,,the risk is too high.
Any how ,, I have had my two hips replaced within 4 months of each other, as the osteoarthritis pain was too much, however the recovery each time was very different..first time i was very very ill after the operation as i reacted very badly to the anaesthetic,and due to my very sluggish thyroid it took ages to leave my body , weeks even, and i was throwing up all over the place, and my right leg and muscles were soo painfull i couldn't lift it for weeks and it felt like a ton weight. My muscles felt like id twisted something , like yours,,but i feel that is something to be expected as what they do in the operation. However my left leg was much faster as the anasthetic was different and i was kicked out of the hospital after four days, and i was walking alot sooner, but i still have to walk with a stick,, however in side the house i can walk alot, but i have a hernia so i cant eat alot, and i still put on weight when i exercise, i dont eat tow massive meals as i am only 5 ft,, so i dont eat alot ,, i gave up smoking , cut out sugar, and i try and jig a bit when doing the housework as i was told by my surgeons registra that i am not to do the frog legs in breast stroke swimming, no extremes of movement ever,,app it risks dislocation,, im getting very depressed as the osteoarthritis made my back muscles jam up , and now im out of pain but only allowed limited movement,, and with my underactive thyroid this is making life hard as i am used to being 7-8 stone as have been all my life and all of a sudden im 10-10half stone and looking dreadful and feeling really crap!!
I was going to say this. Sacking someone when they are off sick is not allowed. Take them to a tribunal, you will win, and you won't get your job back although I'm guessing you wouldn't want to work for an employer like that but you should get some good compensation.
This isn't factually correct - you can dismiss whilst off sick but you have to follow the appropriate process. Taking an employer to a tribunal is also a very costly business unless your union will support you.
apparently even my union says i was out of time to appeal but i was soo ill the first time after my first hip replacement in nov 2015, that i wasnt in any state to appeal until feb,,when i had to get myself fit for the second one, as the pain was far too great,, i dont know what employers think but when youre in pain with osteoarthritis,,ive got to say having had cancer ,, the pain of osteoarthritis is even worse than having a baby,,and worse tha evey tooth in your mouth rotting from toothache,,
any how with my under active thyroid my weight has balooned to 101/2 stone and im really depressed ,, what ever i do i seem to put on weight not lose it,, i only eat two meals a day as i cant eat any more as ive a hernia..???
thankyou very much for your reply,, im hoping that if theres any one else out there whos having the same probs that my queries may help them too
Hi Astro - Have you considered re-contacting your Union - is it ACAS? I would also contact your local Citizens' Advice Bureau and ask to make an app. to see one of their Advisers. Take ALL the information - medical, Union, employer etc. etc . - everything you have with you to the app. and they may be able to help or sign-post you to another organisation. Do hope you can sort this out. Regards, Jax
I've just lost over 14kg. I was found to have T2 diabetes. I was given dietary advice - they are going for diet and exercise treatment - but after a week I bought a blood glucose meter and started 'eating to the test'. I check my blood just before I eat then two hours afterwards, by keeping the blood glucose level as low as possible I found the weight just fell off without having to diet.
Basically I follow a low carb high fat diet although I eat quite a lot if carbs - I have discovered I just can't eat products with grain and keep my bs low. When it spikes on my case the sugar was being stored as fat. I also eat fats - I wouldn't say I ate high fat products but I'm not afraid of fat if you know what I mean.
Whenever I have cut out bread and grains in the part I have lost weight so I must have been doing LCHF without realising it - it goes without saying that I never eat cakes biscuits cereals sweets etc and I never drink diet drinks - just good old water and decaf tea and sometimes decaf coffee.
You could look at the Michael Mosely Blood Sugar Diet, that might help. I've also got Davina's Good Carbs book that's good but it includes cereals and grains which I don't want to do.
You are aiming for a 'Mediterranean' style diet really and I have to say I had to make big changes in my eating style and although I always ate fairly well I eat a much better diet now. I also eat a lot of nuts - I'll have a handful of nuts and seeds for lunch most days. I also start my day with an omelette, sometimes a mushroom one, other days with blueberries and raspberries and as a once a week treat I make it with a mashed up ripe banana in it - very yummy.
Very well done on getting back on your feet. You've done well - really horrible to lose your job like that though, hopefully you will find something better once you are back in your feet again 🙂
I'm also really careful about potatoes, I discovered that nice 'healthy' jacket potatoes really spike my blood as does mash so I've settled for a few baby new potatoes which are fine. I eat masses of vegetables now - I try for all sorts in a mixture of colours. I'm more careful with fruit than I used to be because of the hidden sugars Whispers mentions below. I used to eat fruit all the time between meals - I've pretty much given up grapes and pineapple and have cut back on bananas too. I take B12 and vitamin D - my Pilates teacher / physiotherapist tells us that's what we need for strong bones (plus K) and I take CoQ10 as well.
thank you,, im glad youve found something that will work for you.
Im not diabetic,, so blood sugar isnt something that concerns me.
however its nice you hope that i will get another job, but my ex employers will say they let me go on health grounds so bang goes my chances of ever getting a job again,, even working from home,,, which in uk involves answering poxy survey s and getting many unwanted phone calls or conning people that multilevel marketing will work for them!! we i did Am way in the past so i know that its all a big con!! so im not getting involved.
Any way..my mother is diabetic , but ive had the test and im not, its just a very sluggish thyroid and ive had a test and my gp says that im optically medicated..but im soo tired all the time and when im used to being 7-8 stone and now im ten and a half stone its very very depressing!
exercise is very limited as im not ever allowed to do extreme movements as risk of dislocation.. and im sure when i run out of money i will hardly be eating anything and still looking like a beached whale
Gosh it sounds like I've upset you, I certainly didn't mean to do that and I wasn't suggesting for a minute that you were diabetic.
What I was really getting at (albeit in a long winded, round about and obviously clumsy way ) was that it might be worth trying a low carb high fat diet - switching to 'good' carbs and avoid grain based carbs to see if that helps you in the same way it helped me.
I still eat lots of carbs but they come from vegetables - rather than being grain based and although I eat fat I wouldn't say my diet is 'high fat'.
My T2 started at Christmas and was steroid induced - I was given a short course of steroids for arthritis - hopefully is will only be temporary, but losing two stones with my new way of eating has turned out to be the silver lining in what felt like a big black cloud. Discovering you have diabetes is quite a shock when there is no family history of diabetes in the family.
I know how miserable and depressing it is to put on weight and how frustrating it can be when a doctor tells you your thyroid is optimally medicated yet you know something isn't right. Hopefully you will find something that helps
I see people at the medical referrals classes at my gym (free hour long sessions twice a week with a doctor's referral) and we get people who have had hip replacements who make good recoveries and my own father in law had a double hip replacement in his 60s and completed the long distance West Highland Way walk the following year so don't give up hope of getting moving again. You might never become a gymnast but you needn't be an invalid.
oh no you havent upset me at all,,im just upset that i cant loose weight and ive had my second hip operation and im in pain and fed up ,,its not you at all,, i just dont know what to do my hypothyroidism isnt helping at all, im trying to drink more water but i think my body is just retaining water . I was advised to drink more water to make my body think its hydrated enough so i m trying that but it just gives me wind!!!
That's ok. Being in pain is no joke, hopefully as you get fitter things will get better for you.
They do say to drink more water to keep hydrated, maybe if you try it gradually and build up it won't give you so much wind.
Keep a record of everything you take for your thyroid (I know it might sound a bit over the top ) and how you feel and hopefully eventually you will be able to see which doses etc make you feel best etc. and you can use them as proof for your doctor.
Losing weight is all just so difficult isn't it. I'd definitely say to try avoiding grain based foods - don't know if I said it but even the 'good' grains don't do me any good.
I do have to say it can be a bit difficult to find something to fill the gap left by grains but you'll get there eventually. I now make an omelette for breakfast and just avoid bread.
I use a real egg along with some of the Two Chicks egg whites you buy in cartons in the supermarket, I usually put in blueberries, a chopped mushroom or mash a banana into it - really delicious - but bananas are more carby than berries so I save that for special days.
I avoid sugar and sweeteners too - like the grains you get used to it although my weakness I'd sugar free jelly with blueberries and a spoonful of thick cream.
Dear Fruiy and nut case I did hear there were herbal benefits in ashwaghandha, and bladderwrack if hypothyroid .I would be very interested to know what you think of these
Sorry, I don't have any experience of either of them, I have Graves Disease and I've always been a bit wary of mixing herbal cures with any meds - I don't take thyroid meds because I'm in remission but I take other meds for long standing conditions and I don't want to take anything that might mess with them.
You could always post a new question asking about them, im sure there are other people who are probably using them.
fThere is nothing wrong with eating cruciferous veg, they are not bad for the thyroid if cooked and eaten, like everything else should be, in moderation. Green tea does very little and a lot of people with hypothyroidism e drinking it anyway, it depends if you are th1 or th2 dominant.
You need to cut your self some slack, its very difficult to lose weight with thyroid problems as its often not fat weight but inflamation weight, and if your levels aren't bang on and that includes your vitamins and minerals ( you would probably benefit from a boos tof b12 if you had anasthetic) then fat weight will stick. Because you have been inactive for quite a while due to your op, you should hopefully start to see a bit of improvement now you are becoming more mobile, but I would research other things to try, for example, how much grains do you eat? hidden sugars? even healthy fruit and veg can be packed with hidden sugars, things like this, especially with limited mobility, will not help. Good luck on your recovery and I hope you reach full health very soon.
Ive got to agree with the green tea thing,,id doesn't do a thing drinking it dosent help the metabolism at all. Myth again!!
I must admit i do know there are hidden sugars in things, but i eat savory more often than sweet,, and although i watch and love cooking programmes,, i feel like watching the darned things makes me fat,, i did go to work every day whilst i had the osteoarthritis, and that involved walking to and from work which my horrible bosses made me do whilst in masses of pain,,then they sacked me just after my second op!!
i cant believe how disgustingly they treated me,, i wish i could find a worse word for them but there isnt one in the whole uk vocab that fits the vile way i was treated after 30 years,, however im out of pain,, but have to work on both leg muscles both sides as they were pulle d about and cut and allsorts,, but albeit that doest worry me as thats time,,and physio ,,its the fact that what ever i do putw weight on ,,thats whats bothering me and i dont know with my under active thyroid what to do as the extra weight wont help.
well im only 5 ft,, and vie been used to being 6-8 stone all my life,, and id only just bought a lot of clothes as i hadn't treated myself in ages, and that was two years ago when my knee and hip went, now i have lost my job because of this illness and i cant wear any of my clothes that i had then and i cant afford to spend any money on buying any, as i cant pay my bills on what the govt give,,so i will be eating very little and prob putting on more weight,, i was nine stone when i was pregnant with my children,,
that was very hard work for me then ,, im ten and a half,, and i feel like im carrying quads..so it really is a problem.. i feel dreadful
I went up and down two flights of stairs last night twenty times cleaning my sons bedroom,, i put myself on the scales and nearly screamed,,id put on four pounds and i had not eaten a thing,,, i thought this is madness,, ive not eaten, ive drank water all today and all the exercise cleaning and running up and down i should d have lost weight,, no!!!!
im panicking as my surgeon tells me that it wont help my new hips to out weight on
The best way to lose weight in many doctors' opinion is to make sure your calories don't exceed 2000 per day. Preferably a bit under, but no less than 1800. With under 1800 cKal per day the body goes into starvation mode and increases cortisol production, which tells the body to store fat on the stomach area and also metabolism slows down. So eating less is not the trick as such. It's not so much how many calories, but what kind of calories.
Instead of trying to eat foods that burn fat, it's better to avoid eating foods that make one gain fat, because if one eats fat gaining foods, the fat burning foods are not helping. That means all foods that increase insulin production i.e. sugar (you mentioned you don't eat already - good to look for hidden sugars too) and high carbohydrates which stop fat burning and increase gaining weight. So Avoiding all foods with added sugar and refined flour is a good idea.
So whole foods (vegetables), good quality protein (meat and dairy) and healthy fats (Extra virgin olive oil, butter, avocado, nuts - very important not to avoid - Healthy fats also trigger fat burning). These are good foods for weight loss.
Exercise as whenever the current situation allows, but walking is the best exercise for weight loss. Diet is 90% of weight loss and 10% goes for exercise.
There's a lot more information on Dr. Eric Berg's website on his video blog. I've learnt a lot there. Not sure if I'm allowed to put a link here so you can find it with his name. His clinic is located in Alexandria, VA, USA.
You can eat cruciferous vegetables, but just not overdo it. They by themselves will not slow down thyroid. Stress is a lot worse at doing that. When stress is high, thyroid functions slow down and vice versa.
Eat rather 5-6 times a day with breakfast, lunch, dinner and 2-3 small snacks in between. This way metabolism will keep going.
If you have hypothyroidism and medication, it's important to avoid stress and negativity. You might like to check about the thyroid medication working with your doctor. Relaxing walks help the thyroid too.
Also Dr. Mark Hyman has good ideas. I hope this helps a little.
well i make my own soups,,dont put any added sugar in them, or make them with anything that does any of what i said.
Ive given up sugar,, and smoking
,, and i have a hernia in my tummy wall so eating 5-6 times would be far too much food,, im only 5ft!!
i cant walk all that far,, but i was trying to walk with a heavy backpack and i still use a stick as i cant walk about the pavement as they are dreadfull.. but i discovered that i cant walk all that far with a heavy back pack as my muscles cant do it yet,, so even without one,, its only been six weeks since my left hip op and 5 months since my right ,, and my muscles are still weak, i cant get up from the ground without help as i ve learned thats going to take a while too i spoke to my surgeons registra and asked about swimming , dancing and gardening,, he said no extreems of movement and no breast stroke legs ever,,,!!
dancing i asked him , and again no extreems ,,im getting rather fed up of restrictions
i have seen many lose weight with no change in diet or exercise, by adding t3 to their thyroid meds. Also, you may be sensitive to the foods you eat. i found out i am , as well as not having proper digestive enzymes and good gut bacteria.
Getting rid of the Hashi's and healing your immune system should be priority. It is temporary and many no longer have it, once they treated their underlying causes. You were never this heavy in your entire adult life ad it happened once hashi's and hypo set in.
Is your hypothyroidism under control? Do you feel well, apart from recent op obviously? Do you have any remaining hypo symptoms?
astroscope - have you tried increasing this dose? Or adding T3? Or trying NDT? Your GP is a muppet.
My weight has increased by around 50%, am now close to obesity and no matter what dosage of T3 I took the weight still kept piling on. I had a heavy metal toxicity test (urine) done via Genova using DMSA, it showed that I have high levels of toxicity especially lead which is blocking my thyroid meds from working.
Good luck with your recovery from the op, can't be easy at all so do be kind to yourself.
good luck with yours too,, its really hard,, my gp doesnt feel there is a problem but there are several i can see its a health centre, and im just trying everything,
Inside Health on Radio 4 was interesting on this subject this week or last - there seems to be a connection with our intestinal (or somewhere) bacteria, it seems that if too many have been destroyed we gain fat and antibiotics are known to destroy some of those bacteria. Faecal 'milkshake' from a thin person may be a solution!!!
Oh yes Whispers, wouldn't we all and if the pre/pro-biotics had the same effect we'd all be slim ... but ..... I'm afraid it's the milkshake only that does the trick.
Maybe we'll have to become like sheep/rabbits, one or other eats their pellets ... it doesn't bear thinking about does it! :-))
Hiya,you may be having too many calories still or need to re-adjust yr thyroid pils- one peanut has 7 calories so 10 peanuts are 70 calories also if salted they retain that green tea etc which increases blood pressure and also weight gain
i see where youre going,, i will check out nut calories,, but i dont eat peanuts,, mostly brazil nuts , a bout 5 a day,, and almonds about 3 a day and hazlenuts,, that are all in muesli,,,and probiotic, yoghurt,,but i dont really eat a great deal as i cant,, soup and a quorn veg burger quickly fried in coconut oil which doesnt have calories fried or not.
I eat prawns, and sea food which i m given to usnderstand is protein but i have crackerbread with .. and i eat spinach raw,, i dont eat a lot,, so im just fed up at whatever im doing its putting on weight,, and no im not having the imaculate conception but it feels like it
Hi again, then look again on what you eat _ nuts whatever kind as a rule are in the same group, and coconut oils as all oils are loaded with calories - crackerbread if creamed needs to be watched, yoghurt too may have a lot of added sugar if not natural so are soup & if creamed in particular - hope this is of help
did you mean thats where you are getting your pre and pros from? if so, its not enough, nor the right type, and with it been in a food base its more than likely oassing through your stomach and gut before it has time to colonize. Have a read of the stuff I have started to use, its called symprove
Hi Astro, I totally agree with whispers, there is nothing wrong with eating goitrogens - the proof? You've been eating spinach, and spinach is a goitrogen, and it hasn't killed you. lol The list of goitrogens is longer than you can imagine. But, if they Don't make you feel bad, then no reason to stop eating it.
I would go one further than whispers, and say eat them raw if you like them raw. Just all things in moderation. I take it you're on thyroid hormone replacement - Levo (how much?) - well, warnings about goitrogens are more for people who aren't on THR, because goitrogens temporarily affect your gland, not the hormone you are taking orally. So, enjoy!
And, talking of thyroid, when did you last have your levels checked? You know, an anesthetic will raise your TSH and lower your thyroid hormones by increasing rT3. It's a protective measure that the body takes to stop you over-doing it while you recover. But, the result will be that you put on weight/can't lose weight. Your level of T3 needs to be optimal for you to be able to lose weight. I very much doubt if yours is.
The problem is, that in trying to lose weight, you could make the situation worse. If you Don't eat enough calories - and by enough, I mean over 2000 a day - you won't be able to convert your T4 to T3 correctly. So, that will make you more hypo and you'll put on more weight.
And exercising, will not only use up your calories that you need for conversion, but it will use up your T3 - which will make you more hypo, etc.
So, you need to eat well, by which I mean cutting out the processed foods and the sugar, and not push yourself to do more than your body can tolerate - and you'll know if you've done that, because it will take you several days to recuperate, while your T3 builds up again.
Green tea will probably not help you lose weight, I think that's a bit of a myth. I Don't know, it might burn fat, but I've never seen any proof of that. But what you're dealing with probably isn't even fat. Can you pinch up the skin on your arms?
If you can't, then it isn't fat, it's a form of water retention. And all the dieting and exercising in the world isn't going to get rid of it. You need to have good levels of T3 to get rid of it.
Whisper also mentioned nutritional levels. These are very important for weight loss. You need to test your
vit D
vit B12
folat
ferritin
to see where they are. If they aren't optimal, then you need to supplement them. Never mind how good your diet is - and I Don't doubt it is good - you are not what you eat, you are what you absorb. And hypos have problems absorbing nutrients. So, we have to give them a boost. But, sub-optimal nutritional levels will impede your weight-loss efforts.
So, things to do : if you haven't had a recent thyroid blood test, get one. Ask for TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus antibodies. You might not get them all, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
At the same time, ask for the list of nutritional blood tests above. You might not get them all but...
Ask for a print-out of the results - it's your legal right to have one. Post the results on here and let us see exactly what's going on. These are the first steps to a new you! OK?
That video is interesting, is it the same for your tummy? I really struggle to shift the weight too but I don't think I'm on optimal levels of NDT yet. Does this only apply to the arm or can you try it on your belly? I can pinch my arm but not my belly!
I think it dépends how long you've been hypo, so how much builds up Under the skin. What we're talking about here, is a gooey substance called mucin, that collects Under the skin and retains water - it only happens in hypos, nobody else.
Given that I was hypo for about 50 years until I was diagnosed, it's not suprising if it's build up everywhere on my body. I was a very 'chubby' child!
Once it's well established, I do think it's next to impossible to get rid of - my experience, anyway. That's not to say that you can't get rid of the water, because you can. But you need good levels of T3. However, it would appear that the water can always come back again.
But, I think if your hypo is caught and corrected early enough, optimal treatment will get rid of the mucin. But this is all theory. I Don't think anyone has ever done much research into this, if any.
Ah ok thanks for letting me know. I'm 32 and got diagnosed three and a half years ago although I reckon I was probably suffering for about 10 years. I'm trying the autoimmune paleo diet at the minute. It does have huge benefits to my health but I find it really hard to stick to it when I don't loose weight! I think I need to persevere with it and hopefully I'll make some progress.
Ah ok, I think it's probably time I got my bloods tested again then. I can't pinch any of my belly! It's really difficult! Looks like it's the myxedema.
Apologies to the original poster for going a bit off topic but I'm joining in about the skin pinching and mucin.
Every now and then (randomly) I suddenly change from being overweight to losing weight. I don't change what or how much I eat nor do more exercise, I remain exactly the same in all respects as far as I can tell, but the weight just falls off to the point where sometimes my arms, feet and ankles are so think they look like skin covered skeleton and I cover up.
So, I think the mucin does go, because most of the time I can't pinch any skin but in these rare bouts of being slim I can.
Having been found to have low ferritin I have wondered if the weight loss occurs when my ferritin levels are good.
Just because you lose the water weight, doesn't mean you lose the mucin. It could still be there, under the skin, ready to absorb more water if your thyroid levels go down.
Yes, Grey Goose, but what I meant was that if our skin and flesh return to smooth and firm, as mine does, then it doesn't matter if the mucin is still there. If we could find out how to remain in that state, with it there but not ugly or uncomfortable, then I think we'd be happy with that wouldn't we?
And, GreyGoose, apologies if that last message sounded argumentative, I often do but don't mean to be, the old mind likes to think deeply about things, to question and debate, and you come up with a lot of information and good advice which is thought provoking.
Oh dear - when I use those blow hand driers the skin on the back of my hands flaps about all over the place. I always hope no one nearby is watching - it looks kind of freaky
well i had a blood test that tested my t3, foliate and ferratin levels my gps wont look for they say rare as hens teeth,,,
AND no i cant pinch my skin on my arm it goes straight back, im a bit wrinkly there,, maybe it could be water retention,, i do go to the loo alot in the night,, vit d i take supplements and b 12 also and lots of vitamin and minerals i take supplements.. had a full blood test after my second hip op as i lost quite a bit of blood!!! well i wouldnt have had a clue,, lol out of it completely.. but i had a blood test recently and my gp says no cause for concern,,
but when i ask for another sick cert as im now on benefits whilst i have physio as noone will employ me the way i am with a walking stick,, until im fully fit and can do simple getting up and down from the ground without a prob , and walking,with a stick,, and being able to sit on normal chairs that i cant at the mo.. i have to have them certain heiights.. but i will ask the gp about water retention when i next have an appoinment.. you could be right there,
thats the first sensible suggestion ive heard ,, thats something i will have to ask the gp
Seriously, astro, do you think your doctor is going to know anythink about water retention or what to do about it? I bet you he'll just say 'eat less and exercise more'! The complete opposite of what you should be doing.
So, did you get a copy of your blood test results when your doctor said there was nothing to be concerned about? Always, always get a print-out of your results when you have a blood test. Then, if you post them on here, people will be better able to help you. You just cannot take your doctor's word for any to do with thyroid because they know so little about it. Rare as hen's teeth! Well, anything would be rare if you never test for it.
i had to stop vit k when i had the op and after for about six weeks as vit k caused your blood to clot,, i was on blood thinners so i wasnt allowed vit k ,, i can now ,, so i will take it wheni take my vitamins ,, i wil say although i havent lost weight the water thing is helping with the bloating, but im confused about everything else .
No, that's vit K1. The one you need to take for calcium control is K2. Not at all the same thing. But I Don't think doctors have the slightest idea of the difference!
Have you got your latest blood results as your thyroid medication may not be optimal. Please post blood results. It is healthier to be a bit overweight on the BMI charts longevity studies have shown. So please dont under eat. We found in overeaters anonymous that eating normally is whats needed to lose not overeating or undereating as you have been doing. You have had surgery so you need to focus on getting your strength back with nourishing food. Eat a wide variety, lots of fruit and veg. Three meals a day with nothing but fruit in between is a good plan and make that 3 really enjoyable meals.
I struggled for years taking off weight. I didn't quite understand what you mean by; (... eating the suggested fat burning foods.. Protein s..le avocado.) What do you mean by protein s..le?
I have read that not only carbohydrates, but too much protein will also turn to fat storing sugar in your body.
The most important thing to do if you go with LC/HF (Low Carb/High Fat) is to reduce protein to 20 gr a day and increase good fats from animal, coconut, palm oil og daiery from cream and butter to your diet. With LC/HF you will feel full for a long time as bloodsugar will stay steady. It is the ups and downs in blood sugar crawing diets that boost insuline, the fat storing hormone.
No, not palm oïl, please! They are destroying the Rain Forests to meet the demand for pâlm oïl, so let's decrease the demand for the sake of the planet. There's plenty of olive oïl to be had, so let's leave the palms out of it.
The lies about growing Palm Oil destroying the Rain Forest capaigned by the soy industry sits deep in people. Read what researceher dr. Bruce Fife has on the subject in The Soy Deception.
Red Palm Oil is one of the worlds healthiest oils with more antioxidants and carroteen than tomatoes
Red palm oil is the premiere form of palm oil just as virgin coconut oil is the best. Like virgin coconut oil, red palm oil has undergone minimal processing and is considered to be of superior quality to ordinary palm oil.
Palm oil is extracted from the red, fleshy fruit of the oil palm tree. Palm tree fruits can be harvested four times a year, and a tree bears the fruit for 25 years.
Soy, on the contrary, is a one-year plant grown in a much bigger erea, using pesticides. That is why the Soy oil industry is destroying the rain forest, and not the Palm oil Industry.
The Soy Deception
How Palm Oil is Protecting the Amazon Rain Forest
The soybean industry is up to its old tricks, attempting to demonize the tropical oils. This time, the attacks are in the guise of environmentalism. However, if the truth were told, the soy industry would be exposed as one of the world’s worst offenders. Palm oil production, on the other hand, is protecting areas like the Amazon rain forest from destruction.
Oh, I'm not standing up for the soybean industry in any way, shape or form! Soy oïl is a terrible thing. And I think they are also doing their part in destroying the Rain Forests.
Nor am I doubting the quality and desirability of the palm oïl itself. It sounds like a very good oïl - much better than sunflower seed, or peanut.
But, quite apart from all I've read from other sources, and the photos I've seen, we have a member on here whose son is there, on the spot, watching the destruction as it happens. And she has told us all that he's told her. Are you accusing her and her son of spreading lies, too?
im giving your water retention thing a bash,, im having lots more water with lime and various flavours ,, natural fruit etc,, to see if it was my body holding on to extra water.. im giving it a month
What exactly do you expect to happen in a month? It has nothing to do with how much water you drink or what flavour it is. Drinking too much water can be dangerous, anyway. No, it's to do with your T3 levels. Low T3 made you put the wter weight on, and only optimal levels will help you get it off.
Well, you could try holding a gun to his head, but that's illegal.
I Don't know. I've never had to try because I've never had a problem getting it done in France. I just say, oh! And FT3, please. But I guess that won't work in the UK.
Ask for a referral to an endo, because they are said to be authorised to test it (rediculous situation! So much fuss about a little blood test!). Or, you could get it done privately.
you need good carbs to lose weight, people with hypo need to eat differently to healthy people if you're not getting enough good carbs and good fats you will never see any difference
Palm oil is cheap and found in so much processed food because it is cheap! And no much good for you or the environment. High in saturated fat. Production linked to heavy deforestation and loss of habitat for certain species.
Wish I could help, that must be so frustrating!!! It sounds like you're doing all the right things! Maybe you need your medication increased? Good luck to you!!! Hang in there!
im trying now to drink lots more water with lime in it to see if that helps !!!
i will give anything a go ,, especially with my two new hips that im not allowed to do any extreeme movement with !! im going to ask my physios what i can do as its really depressing me ,, ive always been used to being 8 stone and now im 10 and a half !!! and bloody miserable
don't know if you are taking levothyroxine or ndt but you really need to wait a couple of hours after eating before having anything to eat. I would do a separate post writing your latest thyroid blood test results it is possible your undermedicated.
also please think about eating a certain amount of carbs.. fruit and veg don't cut them out from your diet. Carbs give us energy. You really need to try and eat a balanced diet and maybe get some blood work done and see a dr that can help you figure out why you are putting on weight etc. Also we can retain weight if we are stressed and have adrenal issues. Good luck with everything, sorry to hear you are suffering atm.
ive had a blood test and apparently 75 mg is fine ,, but im just so fed up as two new hips means i cant exercise like normal people,, and so its got to be food based and i dont eat that much , rather cant as i have a hernia too ,, im not having much luck at the moment quite honestly ,, nothing seems to work and im really depressed since they sacked me at work for not being able to walk properly ,,they couldn't wait till i had my operations ,,im walking with one stick six weeks after ,, i dont think thats bad , still hurts ,, but its not half as painful as it was.
I am sorry astro to hear you are having a hard time of it I really think you should get some blood work done check your t3 and t4 levels from what you are telling me it seems like something is going on maybe thyroid or something else
you need to get an endo to properly look at you and go from there.. well if you can find a good endo.
not saying you should do this but a lot of people don't take levothyroxine cause it does not work for them or they add t3 to there levothyroxine really think you should do a sep post with new blood work and go from there and see what others have to say
are you gonna get your hernia removed
I had a hernia when I was 14 I think had it removed it is a very easy op
sorry to hear about your struggles I have had a lot of crap happen to me in life but I am not saying you are like me but I am always the type who says no time to feel bad if something awful happens I have to pick myself up and do something about my life.
I hope you manage to find a new job
if I where you I would start meditating
if you need to talk you can aways private message me
I have said it before but I will say it again if you are struggling with weight you are prob still having thyroid issues or something else is going on but I am not a doctor but if I had to guess it is prob your thyroid. We are all different but only time I have put on weight is when my thyroid is not properly treated.
Sorry to hear your struggling so much at mo. Hope you feel better soon. Hugs
I can feel your pain,its not easy but i can see that your still putting the weight on even though your eating the right type of food.
Maybe keep a good diary to see what you have eaten that is making you you put the weight on.this way it will help you and keep your portion small and instead of eating 3 meals make it more but cut the size u will hopefully lose it.
I wish we could meet up locally and do something about all these problem and help each other.
Our doctors are ready refer us to have weight reduction op but no other ways of sorting it out. Specially when your finding it difficult in losing the weight. Why can't Dr just refer us to the right department to help us thing trying things on us. I can't find a way of losing my weight and dad up I've not seeing the Dr now for awhile.
We as group could do something ourselves if only we had meeting point and it would us.
Eat more greens and small portion of proteins and lots of water.
If anyone has got a solution that is working let me know.
We are fighting demons when it comes to our health and professionals don't help. Who can we turn too.
I recommend reading "The Calorie Myth" by Jonathon Bailor. A calorie isn't the same in all foods. Even though Avocados are high in calories that is ok. You have to look at the foods you eat as healing yourself. Part of your hypothyroid is having adrenal fatigue. I have the hardest time losing weight. I count that I lost 114.40 grams this week as good. I count grams lost and not pounds as I lose so slowly. It is because it will be slow as your adrenals are healing. Get Thyroid antibodies checked too as well as your TSH, T3, T4 and Reverse T3.
You have my every sympathy, like many people with hypothyroidism, I have put on over 2 st since being on Levo (recently started NDT). Tried every diet going. I have lost significant weight on the Cambridge & other very low cal. diets but quickly put back on the weight & since ascertained from my research that people with underactivethyroid should not go on these types of diets apparently it exacerbates the problem further lowering our metabolic rate. Anyway I was giving up hope after previously being a slim person when my friend told me about the South Beach diet. I bought the book on Amazon for £2! It is based on no gluten, no carbs no root vegetables, no fruit etc for the first two weeks but you can eat plenty & have healthy snacks which really helps (sugar free jelly helps to fill sugar craving). There are lots of nice recipes. I lost 8lbs in 2 weeks & have lost a few more since. I did get constipated but I have chronic problem so took natural supplement which you can get from Boots, Holland & Barrett, so pleased. A friend of mine told me this type of diet works but I had previously thought way too restrictive as I love my food but it does work with no calorie counting & I have done my fair bit of cheating so probably would have lost more if stuck to it properly. It gives me hope for the future. X
Hi. I just wondered have you ever tried Slimming World? It's done wonders for me, I have lost 2 stone and kept it off for a year. It's kind of the antidote to yo-yo dieting which was a curse on me for many years, and excercise isn't crucial for weight loss on the plan. It's also endorsed by the NHS and you can get sometimes get a free referral, although it's only £5/week.
Works for many, so thought I would share in case it could work for you xx
I managed one day a week on 600 cals and find that with keeping to 1200 daily can nudge a half a pound off...
I find the web page and app....My Fitness Pal is a great help to keep me on track.
I am the same. Went on the diet chef meal plans and actually put on 5lbs and I stook to it for 8 weeks. Did weight watchers and lost nothing. I am trying t3 now, see if that helps. Last time I was in t3 I put on weight though.
I'm having similar difficulties. Advice given leave an hour or so before food to take your thyroxine. Avoid caffeine and indigestion remedies. Do high intensity aerobic exercise. As I wasn't feeling any better on thyroxine I stopped taking it four weeks ago in the hope I'd lose weight and wouldwouldn't feel so bad as had some new symptoms since taking it about two years ago. Anyway it was with monitoring from the gp who said as I was only borderline hypo it was my choice but had to have blood test to check changes. Plan was to be prescribed or list at for fat burning as I already have a super healthy diet. Kidney function had to be tested first. Before got results went in to gp about eye problem and had to go to a and e immediately. After being assessed there it was concluded that my 12lb weight gain in last month and my stroke like symptoms were because of hypothyroid. They did a brain scan and I hadn't had a stroke. But it just goes to show how important it is to stay on thyroid Medstead. Also that without them weight gain will increase dramatically. They told me with the Medstead I won't feel any better but without I will feel a lot worse. So your Medstead are probably helping you not put masses of weight on and you need to exercise as much as you can. The most beneficial exercise my hypothyroid friends and myself have found for weight loss is aqua aerobics. Think this is because water bears the weight yet it is still high intensity. Good luck fellow sufferer. Keep positive. 🤗
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