Arab7 years ago

Hi RhubarbAndCustard, 

I have Graves (not active at the moment). To years ago, I was put on beta blockers, Carbimazole and Warfarin. 

I too put on around 2 stone, and I'm just beginning to lose it now.  I've been off Carbimazole for a year, although I did take Chinese Herbs which did the same job until October 2015. 

I'm sure the administrators will reply to your question, but I have to say, I followed all the things they suggested might help i.e., getting ferritin, D3, B12 checked, and looking at the supplements that would be helpful like magnesium, zinc and selenium. 

The most important thing is to give your body a break from the ravages of active Graves, which can take a good few months, and worry about your weight when you come off the medication. It might take a while, but I'm happy to report that I'm only 10lb away from normal, so it can be done! 

Hope this helps you on your way, and stick close to this site, and the sterling advice offered here. It's helped me beyond words! 

Arab. 🙂

Nathalie70 in reply to Arab7 years ago

Hello Arab,

Which Chinese herb did you take? Bugleweed, motherwort? I'm about to be off Carbimazole as my TSH receptor antibodies are almost negative and I would interested in natural therapies.

Thanks!

Nathalie

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Arab in reply to Nathalie707 years ago

Hi Nathalie70, 

I actually went to see a Chinese doctor in Oxford. I live on the Lizard in Cornwall, but this doctor has such a good reputation and has helped other members of my family with various illnesses, it was worth travelling. 

He gave me Traditional Chinese Herbal medicine n the form of a brew that I made up every day, and divided into two doses.  

This had the same effect as Carbimazole, but without any side effects. I took this for 9 months, weaning off Carbimazole and carrying on with the herbal, and then finished in October last year.  

I'd highly recommend him to anyone,  and would go back to see him if needed.

If you'd like his address and number, I can message you.  

Kind regards, 

Arab.  🙂

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Nathalie70 in reply to Arab7 years ago

Yes, please send me his address. Thanks a lot! When you stopped Carbimazole, on which dose were you and how long had you taken Carbi before switching the Chinese medicine?

Many thanks!

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Arab in reply to Nathalie707 years ago

Hi Nathalie70, 

I'd started on 60mg of Carbimazole- ( I was in real trouble and hospitalised with AF), and spent 14 month on it, finally on 5mg, before deciding that maybe there was an alternative route to take. And by that time, I'd done an awful lot of homework, and asked questions on this site! 

I spent maybe six weeks taking both before taking the plunge and stopping the Carbimazole. 

My readings continued to be euthyroid, and after a while I told the Endo nurse that I'd stopped Carb, and was taking an alternative route. Not popular- I think her retort was 

'You'll be back sooner or later' - very positive- NOT! Lol! 

I'll pm you his details.   

Arab. 🙂

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Nathalie70 in reply to Arab7 years ago

Hi Arab,

60mg of Carbi!!! wow!!! I started with 15mg, then 10mg after 2 months, then 5mg as my TSH had reappeared and I was going hypo. After 7 months of treatment, I'm now on 2.5mg since last week as I have hypo symptoms and elevated TSH on 5mg. I'm so weak and have so much muscle pain that I was put on sick leave. My TSH receptor antibodies are almost normal.

As it's a relapse after 2 years of remission, my endo wants to go the RAI route and I'm refusing to go that route for a "mild" graves compared to yours.

Your experience is cheering me up.

I'm going to read your PM.

Thanks!

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Arab in reply to Nathalie707 years ago

There is a school of thought that Graves runs a course of flare up and remission until the Thyroid finally becomes defunct. I think it's Elaine Moore that wrote this - worth checking her book(s). There's no rush to have your Thyroid zapped at all! It will settle down again after this flare up according to her study of Graves.  

Good luck with the Doctor. He's very well respected. 

Arab. 🙂

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Nathalie70 in reply to Arab7 years ago

I read her book but I cannot remember this part. I should read it again. What do you mean by "defunct"? That's the thyroid become hypo?

Thanks!

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Arab in reply to Nathalie707 years ago

By defunct I mean that the Thyroid stops working effectively altogether. 😕

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Tankhutembo in reply to Arab5 years ago

Hi Arab, I have graves disease too, can you pm details of the Traditional Chinese Doctor in oford please. I would like to try something different, am so fed up of tablets

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Arab in reply to Tankhutembo5 years ago

Will do. 🙂

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Hidden in reply to Arab5 years ago

Hi Arab,

I am very interested to know more about Traditional Chinese natural herbs medicine you were taking. Please message me whenever you have the chance. Thank you.

Lori

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Arab56 in reply to Hidden5 years ago

Hi Lori,

I saw a doctor in Oxford who is Chinese, and practices Traditional Chinese Medicine.

He was thorough, and the herbs I took had a similar effect to Carbimazole.

I’ll message you his details if you are interested.

Arab. 🙂

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Hidden in reply to Arab565 years ago

Hi Arab,

Yes, please do.

Lori

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Pepparoni in reply to Arab564 years ago

Hi Arab I've been taking Carbimazole for Graves for 6 years -with the dose gradually increasing. I am interested in looking at alternative ways to control my thyroid - pleae would you message me the details of the chinese doctor in Oxford as well? Thank you

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eeng7 years ago

A daily supplement of Vitamin D? How much?  If you just take the standard 800iu over the counter supplements you won't get any worse but you won't improve your levels. People take colossal amounts (eg 20,000iu) for a couple of weeks to improve their levels, then take at least 800iu to keep them there, often taking 2000iu a day over the winter months.

Have you had a recent thyroid blood test? If so can you post the results (with the ranges) here? Some doctors think that if the results are somewhere in the range you will feel fine. This is not the case - you need your TSH result to be 1 or less and your FT3 and FT4 results to be above half way in the range. Even then losing weight can be an uphill task. It sounds to me as though you are undermedicated. Depression is a symptom of hypothyroidism.

If you haven't had a recent blood test get one done first thing in the morning and don't take your Levothyroxine for 24 hours before the test.

Nathalie707 years ago

I have Graves and I turned down B&R as NHS doesn't monitor the antibodies - too expensive - and as a result, there is no way to know when to stop it. You could maybe simply stop it and be on Carbimazole only. I have done it twice as I relapse a few years after being cured a first time and I only gained 4 pounds each time. Nevertheless, I put myself on a protein diet with absolutely no saturated fat. Maybe it helped.

Vitamin D: I had to stop taking it as it made me gained a lot of weight when I was on remission. Vitamin D is an hormone and can have all sorts of strange effects - fatigue, muscle weakness and pain, dizziness.

madge1979 in reply to Nathalie707 years ago

How depressing !! I've been taking D3  to supplementbGraves disease !  I have out on a few pounds I know but didn't think it was D3 Thot it might be carbimazole   Oh dear !

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Nathalie70 in reply to madge19797 years ago

Everybody is different: vitamin D may have nothing to do with your weight gain. I took vitamin D for one year during my remission and I relapsed. Don't put too much hope in this vitamin.

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Nathalie70 in reply to madge19797 years ago

I come from the south of France where people are exposed to a huge amount of sun and the number of people with an over-active thyroid is the same as it is in the UK. The theory linking lack of vitamin D to hyper doesn't seem valid.

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eligosol in reply to Nathalie707 years ago

Vitamin D is essential for all who have autoimmune illnesses such as Graves or Hashimotos.

I have been taking Vitamin D on a regular bases since 2009. Last year I started taking 5000 IU every day and have also worked hard on adjusting my T4/T3 combination as T4 never stabilised my hypotyreose (due to Graves and TED treated twice with radioactive iodine ).

What I must point out is that Vitamin D never lead to weight gain. And to underline that - I have lost 20 kilos since January 2016 i.e. in 5,5 months. I am finally getting rid of the extra weight put on by a badly regulated Thyroid disease, where the only solution has been upping/downing T4 for nearly 25 years!

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Nathalie707 years ago

Vitamin D gives me muscle pain even with small doses and dizziness. I took vitamin D for one year and relapsed - Graves.

I'm in France and I've just seen an endo in a hospital specialised in thyroid disorder and vitamin D destroys the thyroid and has to be avoided for people with Hashimoto.

I trust French medicine a lot more than the NHS and the endo I just saw was amazed that vitamin D is given, especially with such huge dose as yours.

It's strange your post came just after my appointment.

redeyes25 years ago

I'm in USA and gp prescribed high dose Vit D and 200 selenium as supplements for grave's. So interesting that every country has different treatments.

RhubarbAndCustard4 years ago

Hello, I just thought I would update you all, I am on a waiting list for a Total Thyroidectomy, I am 100% comfortable with my choice. In regards to my weight gain, I decided to join Slimming World in January when I tipped the scales at an unbelievable 3 stone weight gain. I have now lost 3 stone 3Ibs and my aim is to have lost 4 stone by Christmas, it hasn't been easy but seeing the results really helps motivate my willpower x