Ignore the reference to soybeans and tofu - they are not a viable option. 
Good sources of protein - for Thyr01d - and any... - Thyroid UK
Good sources of protein - for Thyr01d - and anyone else that's interested.
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Great info gg
One of the main ingredients needed to make thyroid hormone is tyrosine (an amino acid from dietary protein).
When eating protein the body breaks apart the amino acids and sends them to whichever part of your body needing some.
Sulfur-based amino acids are required for optimal liver detoxification, the building of glutathione (a powerful antioxidant) and tissue repair.
Other protein & amino acid sources for vegans could be rice, pea and hemp protein powders added to smoothies.
Supplementing Betaine HCI & digestive enzymes will optimise digestion and absorption of proteins.
I am not vegan or vegetarian but eat only a little meat due to digestive problems.
Flower
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Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional and this information is not intended to be a substitute for medical guidance from your own doctor. Please check with your personal physician before applying any of these suggestions.
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LindaC• in reply to
It is great info from gg - I am not a vegan or veggie either but these aspects are always great to know.
Flower, I have started adding L-tyrosine in capsule form to my supplemental regime [which includes glutathione, Betaine HCI and Digestive enzymes]... not sure whether I should have added L-tyrosine because I'm on T3 only BUT it seems to have helped??
It is a constant journey Thank you gg and flower xx
Useful chart for vegans, however I show up intolerant to all these foods (also milk products) so unfortunately have to get my protein from meat. The pressure is put on us to eat less (no) meat now, which does not acknowledge the fact that there are a few of us who can't do without it.
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Laughton,
Who is putting pressure on us to eat less meat?
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laughton• in reply to
Flower,
I see many articles by Nutritionists who seem to be against meat eating, also some of the Climate Change groups who believe that
if people ate a vegetarian diet it would be better for the environment
because the animals (who are raised for the meat) cause a lot of climate problems. Then there are generally people who love animals
(me included) and do not like to know they are killed for food. Maybe
I notice all these references more because I do feel sorry that I have to
eat meat to stay healthy.
laughton: "The world is full of 'crazies', don't let them rent a room inside your head." 
Choice is everything, so they say!
A friend and me at uni used to swear we would take a banner around saying, "Save The Grain"... at the times when animal rights were really rife [going into uni departments to destroy...]. Lots of animals simply wouldn't exist at all if they weren't reared for food!? (Some of those very people have little similar compassion for starving children... if they collectively did, it would have been ended!)
Hey, eat your meat - many of us enjoy it: [I could live without it but choose not to].
Ah, your email saddens me. The animals would exist if we didn't eat meat, they would be out in the wild, living in nature.
It seems true that originally cows (and other animals) came and gathered round human settlements but they weren't inviting us to trap them and eat them.
Speaking for myself, I do give to charities for poor children as well as animal charities.
Yes thyr01d, the reality that many creatures must live in horrible conditions saddens me, saddens me immensely, but it is what it is at this point in history. No one has any right to question whether you or anyone else, personally, donate to x, y, z.
If I could change anything, it would be to stop wars... stop children being abused... the list is long and within that list, quite high up, would be the elimination of intentional animal suffering but that would not be top of my list; for ME to take that stance would represent 'craziness'. [I've two friends with that as top of their list!].
Humans cannot stop killing one another... that is my biggest concern. I have always doubted that age old line, 'treating animals better will lead to better treatment of humans' - NO - it is the other way round! Until humans are either 'taught' or acknowledge the value of one another, the people at large ain't going to be crying over those animals when they barely respect humanity itself.
So, in this horrible economically driven world in which we must reside, having animals just wandering around, deciding whether to join us, simply isn't feasible any more. Were they trapped? And WHAT nature... today nature is 'managed', land is hugely owned... I have no religion, but those who do would say that animals - like other food sources - are here to feed us: [how else could we ALL be fed?]. My question is: what other purpose do animals serve? [Don't forget that dogs and cats are eaten, as a viable meat source, in some cultures... a friend mentioned above wrote to the President of one such country... she was mad then too!] Of course, I am bound to pose the question: "And what purpose, pray tell, do we serve"? The philosophical debate is endless... I meant no disrespect to you or anyone, re your views but everyone else has their views too.
Yes, it IS all very sad indeed: I agree xx
Your reply is very interesting LindaC, we have opposing views but I enjoyed reading your considered views like you I respect the differences. Look how differently we think:
I don't believe we or animals serve any purpose.
I believe it is wrong to cause suffering to any other sentient being.
I believe that if people were to think deeply about the suffering of animals inflicted simply for the pleasure of the taste buds (as in pate de fois gras) they would make different choices and start to feel compassion for other beings and I think they might then think about not killing/harming other humans.
I think that wars (and terrorism) will only come to an end when human values change. I believe most wars arise out of the desire for more prestige, status, wealth or power. I think that if these things were no longer valued and if we put far higher value on such things as kindness and sharing then there would be nothing to fight for, we could all live and let live. You'll probably think that's a hollow dream.
Do you know that more of our land is unmanaged and unoccupied by humans than is managed and occupied? A fact I only recently learned.
Like you, I wholly respect your right to your views and do not think mine are right, they are only beliefs, nothing more.
Your reply likewise thyr01d, I entirely share most of your views [other than eating meat, yet I could very easily become vegetarian and enjoy that]. Sadly, time has jaded my optimism in some arenas of life, especially where the notion that power could and/or would be given up; (not unless a UFO landed and put all mongers in their place ). Power seems to be that [un]quality where those who seek it are the least ones likely to use it for 'good'; even with friends and family, that characteristic seems veiled with such a horribly thin veneer. Much of this seems like politics to me... even workplace politics where good people stand back [not pushy or grasping] often ensuring that the inevitable s*it rises to the top. Such a knotty one is power: I favour a 'truly' Benevolent Dictator, where we collectively 'fall in line' for THE common good (all been tried before, but not the truly benevolent, then whose version of 'good', truly benevolent?]. Everything you describe is how I too would wish life to be; not hollow, but a B D would be needed
Oh I am so with you on, 'If people were to think deeply'... that would indeed be top of my wish list. I see scant evidence of people in general thinking more deeply [my academic background in psychology, began with a year in philosophy, theory of knowledge and formal logic and I am, of course, very 'down to earth' too], and it seems to me that people today are more 'spoon fed' on 'how and what' to think as much as - no more - than they ever were. This is so disappointing with age.
Human values changing: I used to dearly hope to see that change in my lifetime... yet sometimes see quite the reverse. Anything said here is not specifically encompassing individuals or small groups; rather, a sample of that which passes for 'popular culture of today' (which, of course I, along with lots of others, do not include my/ourselves as being any part of).
For example, food fed to children may well have changed in some quarters, yet many parents today cannot [or will not] even cook a meal. Food has been degraded in so many ways... not least chemicals and poisons yet, apart from the minority, 'they' seem not to be too concerned to scream loud for change... some happily watching garbage and playing at being 'Barbie' (oh how soul destroying this is even to write ) - which is of course their choice... but I see a world becoming less 'civilized' for trivia.
As for 'kindness and sharing'... spent my adult life being that to the very best of my ability and, if you saw my life televised, you would roll around laughing at the sheer irony of those long held beliefs; that has never had me even consider changing... I will never change what and who I am.
Yes, the amount of land unmanaged and unoccupied is really vast; hopefully it stays that way, otherwise more of the planet will be recklessly destroyed before someone, somewhere has the good grace to 'do something' ethical!
Thank you thyr01d, what a wonderful exchange - really enjoyed it - and please accept my apologies for the initial post that you replied to... I fear that my impatience is sometimes less in check that it can be and I also appear too flippant. Take care and be well xx
Thanks Linda I too have really enjoyed this exchange and there is no apology at all needed. Flippancy lifts our spirits and I love your authenticity and wish I had the courage to be more authentic, more of the time.
You too take care and be well xx
Thank you too... now, if only people [on the face of it quite opposed to each other's views] could really enjoy their dialogue, then your dream and mine could be realised in no time... I think many more than I imagine would seek to do that yet are too afraid... you sound very authentic to me. Ah, but my courage has led me to some strange places
Seasonal or whatever or not you choose to do, Greetings xox
I think so too Linda, many are afraid.
and...
Seasonal or whatever ...
(I rather like the idea of parallel universes and many gods, fairies, dragons and all the other wonderful, possible-myths, that abound so that whatever anyone celebrates they are right!)
Greetings to you too.
xox
Now B D would approve... because s/he would have no interest in being 'right', since there is no such thing xox
Wonderful Linda. Reminds me of Thich Nhat Hanh's suggestion for moving towards happiness "never mind seeking the truth (ie what's right) ... only release your cherished opinions"
This is so cheering. Who, seeing our first opposing posts, would have thought that we could so swiftly move towards each other and reach such harmony, mutual respect and discover shared wishes for the well-being of the whole world?
Yes thyr01d, and I really believe that if people could just keep out of their immediate focus their fiercely held pre-conceptions, then we could pretty much all live in harmony. Whilst always saying that there is NO 'right and wrong' [only a couple of branches of pure maths where there is something even approximating 'truth'], when I sometimes find myself not really liking someone [rare but it happens, I am human!], I totally LOVE when I've got it 'wrong' and find they are simply not as I [mis]perceived... I believe this stuff begins and ends with ourselves. Love Thich Nhat Hanh too. Yes, mutual respect and agreement with all you say: [I really could become veggie ]. I am so very, very pleased to have met you: THIS truly is what it is all about. xx
You and I could while away many hours gently exploring this kind of philosophy. What cheers me is a research study that revealed that in large areas around where groups meditate daily there are fewer conflicts and more harmony. Tiny actions can make big differences.
Do you by any chance read Byron Katie? xx
Sorry to interrupt a private conversation - but I do get an email every time one of you posts on this thread.
I can't help feeling that you're both being rather niave here. You seem to think that everyone is capable of being nice and kind and caring. But that's just not the case.
4% of the population are psychopaths. These are the people that are torturing animals - or have been brought up to be unking to animals by psychopath parents. These are the serial killers. And these are the people that rise to power because they are so ruthless and interested only in themselves and their desire for domination.
They have no interest in other people, no matter what they profess. They have no empathy, no conscience. They just want what they want and to hell with everyone else. Other people - and animals - only exist for their pleasure.
And there's absolutely nothing you can do about it - except shoot them. They cannot be 'cured', they cannot be made to care. There is something fundamentally missing in their make-up, and there's no way of putting it back.
And the worst thing about it is that they always have a following of weak, lost souls, who see them as some sort of prophet, and that are willing to do whatever they say. People who are willing to die rather than be disillusioned in their 'god' figure. Such as the congregation at Wacko. Those type of people could be saved, but they Don't want to be. And these people are capable of anything.
And that is the real world, my darlings. Hard and cruel and bestial. Human beings are basicaly stupid, greedy and just not nice, (with certain exceptions, of course) and they are instrumenting their own down-fall. And maybe that isn't such a bad thing!
Hi Greygoose and our conversation is open to all, your input is welcome.
My daughter, who is deeply saddened by all she sees, would agree with you, especially in thinking it will be a good think if humans destroy each other and leave the planet free for the animals to live in freedom.
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Unreserved apologies gg - it does, however, seem usual on here for conversations to kind of evolve within posts. In line with that which turned into a 'private conversation', and carries the very message against intolerance... perhaps a little private message 'nudging' to us saying, "Hey get off my post" would have sufficed? Part of the harmony of life is spontaneity and good intent...
As for naivety: on my part I have worked within mental health [with the variety 'the system' used to ban from their psychiatric departments, i.e. personality disorders and the like because psychiatrists could not handle their ways], so I have experienced the full spectrum of garbage dressed up as human, in ways that the public at large are unlikely to imagine exist. Gg, don't assume what you don't have to "Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected", Occam's Razor, William of Ockham c. 1287–1347)
So, do you think that aside from my academic background in psychology [including options in clinical psychology and psychiatry] and decades of experience working within M H, that I don't know what people are like? I could not be more aware of the disgustingly foul nature of 'humans' and where psychopathy and its assorted variations on a theme are commonplace within way more than 4% of the population... indeed you too will know some of them, even within families they lurk (at least one in many families known to me). The 'devil' can, and frequently does, assume many a pleasing form [shape]...
Of course there is also experience of personal life... one of those married my son [unknown to everyone... she is a Histrionic, Narcissitic Personality Disorder- indeed would fit in well today with the 'let's all look alike girlies' - and highly skilled at hiding what she is]. For the past ten years - in particular - she has relentlessly tormented my son, who gained full custody of his children, only to be later thwarted by this sicko [oh, the Lives and Loves of a She-Devil was re-enacted, with a little extra twist]. She has done her best to destroy the young minds of my amazing, smart grandchildren... (no fear, I retain contact with them, bring them over here on vacation) and all is as well as it can be, what with them in the USA). Of course nothing can be done... it is through and through them like 'Blackpool rock'... scum Blackpool rock [likely genetically passed on too, as its largely personality based... since IRO 70% of the variance within our personality is genetically acquired]. I won't go into other relatives, friends and their issues, for that would serve no purpose... above was said to have you see that I know what happens in the real, as opposed to 'Oh look how lovely peace would be' world. Oh, I so well know about life 'my darling', for sure.
People who are 'taken in' and 'seek out' gurus... just a sad fact of life due to the 'sausage_factory_effect' of parents who do not encourage individuality [or simply don't know themselves, beyond choice of clothing and household goods, yet look at my son... where the very opposite applied!]. Sadly, people seek to mindlessly conform, seek to 'blend in' to be 'just like everyone else' due to personal insecurity and, well, quite often plain ignorance. Lots of problems within society stem from our 'X-F**tor_let's all look alike_think? (I wish) alike_don't rock the boat... all for a supposed quiet life'... there lies our huge problem within any given society, be they religious freaks or otherwise 
Poor lost souls... all of which are permitted to vote [in this pretence of democracy] have both my pity as well as my scorn, for failing to use their critical faculties. You'll get nothing from me amounting to 'pity for them'...
In general, I like what you have to say... that will not change for the very reason(s) that thyr01d and me were discussing. Yup, the world is indeed full of crazies [don't let them rent a room inside your head] and society at large tends not to give a F... But the value of two people being able to connect in an ethical, decent way is, even for a cynic like me, always a wonderful thing. And, believe it or otherwise, psychos do not dominate the world... much animal abuse is carried out by 'that everyday neighbour'... who no one would ever imagine or suspect as being "The Psycho In Sheep's Clothing".
Now, I hope we can put this little episode behind us and behave like the adults we all know we are? I will contact thyr01d personally and will endeavour, in future, not to permit messages [which veer TOO far outside of the post] becoming too personal. Again, I apologise if you or anyone took offence [another one of today's supposed 'rights'... to take personal offence at any/everything] at such a wonderful exchange between people.
No, I didn't take offence. It's just that every time one of you posts, I get an email, and it's clogging up my in-box. If it were relevent to the subject, I wouldn't mind - and yes, threads often do divert to other subjects, but not for such a long conversation. I was trying not to be offensive, either, but obviously I failed! lol
But the family psycho I do know about, because I married one. He ruined my life and exacerbated my illness. And I was so niave I had no idea what was going on! I wasted 27 years of my life trying to 'save' my marriage (only to be criticied by people, when I finally did get a divorce and escape, as having 'given in', and not 'stuck it out'. But those were people he'd sucked into his web and who didn't see him through the same eyes as me, see him as he really was!)
I also worked for one. And my daughter worked for one. But the trouble is that people think all psychos go running round with a chain saw, and Don't realise that they're everywhere - even living next door. I'm pleased to hear you say that they are more than 4%, I was being conservative.
But I sincerely believe that the world is ruled mainly by psychopaths. And I disagree that those who Don't want to eat meat are 'crazies'. I think that's a terrible thing to say! Admittedly we are omnivores, and need meat as much as veggies, but it's perfectly understandable that people might find it disgusting to eat a dead corpse. Or to object to the way food animals are treated. Did you know that the dogs and cats you mentioned as being eaten in some countries, are skinned alive and thrown into boiling water? I'm not surprised your friend has written to the president of that country. I have been campaigning against it myself. I also campaign about bear bile farms, and the treatment of hunting dogs in Spain - not to mention bull-fighting. And if that makes me a 'crazy', then so be it! Far better that than the opposite. And, by the way, I think most bull fighters are psychos, too - narcistic personalities at the very least.
Anyway, I'm glad I gave you and thyr01d the chance to discover each other. lol
Merry Christmas
Yes gg, we all encounter such types every day... many seem not to realise that [maybe they are them too ]. And no you didn't fail... sometimes we just need to come out and say stuff.
No, it was not my intention and I don't believe I said that people who don't want to eat meat are 'crazies'... the crazies are those who try to control those which they perceive as 'weaker' and then try to inflict their beliefs on them. I have no 'control need' in me anywhere. Yes, the friend was not a vegetarian but a great animal lover... some 'tin-pot' president was never going to listen to someone emotionally spouting about cats n dogs, a source of meat in that country. Her effort became disproportionate re much time she could have spent with her own animals or helping more here. Sometimes knowing who, when and where is more important than idle efforts where no one would ever listen. Still, if it makes people feel better... that is, of course, their choice. I stand up for many issues around the world, only where something seems able to be done but that is my choice... not knocking anyone.
As stated, I like what you have to say, and shall continue to do so... nothing, but nothing of this nature offends me at all. [I find some doctors offensive, when arrogant and ignorant, with closed minds to anything other than their little views ] Thank you for 'introducing' thyr01d and me via your post.
Merry Christmas to you too xx
Yes, I used to meditate [Trans'l] until my heart rate became so low... me passing out does nothing for anyone I agree, little by little can bring enormous change [and avoid further polarization]. I have not read Byron Katie. My favourite used to be Don Miguel Ruiz, in particular, "The Four Agreements" and "The Voice of Knowledge" [on inner peace]. Yes, we could indeed while away many hours... xx
That's pretty amazing then because Byron Katie is very well known, admired and respected in the USA and some of what you write could have been written by her.
Must look up Don Miguel Ruiz, thanks for the pointer.
GG joined in our posting, not sure if you'll have received an alert but you should be able to see above.
xx
Ah thyr01d, simply all in my head, likely mixed from the accumulation of years of personal and 'absorbed' treats from others... no I haven't seen or read B K.
Like you I feel we are being pressured to eat less meat. Like you I simply could not do without it because of bad reactions to so many foods - not necessarily processed foods. I eat fish too, but nowadays the oceans aren't the healthieslt of places and I am a bit concerned about the chemicals that get dumped there.
Pressure or not I eat my meat with no regrets 
I like my chicken and I am not going to feel sorry about it. I can eat most food from the list above but...
But yeah they do try to pressure us to ear less meat and it does make sense. For a kilo of meat the usage of fresh water is ridiculous.
Fortunately I have access to game so half of my meat is "environmentally" better.
Choices , choices. We do what we have to.
I was a vegetarian for about 20 yrs, but reluctantly had to eat a small amount of meat because like you i am intolerent to all but 3 off that list too. There is tremendous pressure, as if we don't feel uncomfortable enough at eating an animal which i do still find hard to do. All the so callled healthy foods I am intolorant to, it is difficult to explain this to people. I dont feel so bad knowing i am not the only one. Thank you for sharing your post.
Thanks for this Greygoose. As a thyroid vegetarian on a g/f diet, who is being nagged by my health group, they stick to conventional teaching. I am also trying to loose weight. So for the new year, this type of eating is going to be a real help to me.
Beaton, Don't try to lose weight until your T3 is optimised because it won't work. And could make things worse.
What do you mean by'conventional teaching'? What are they nagging about? You've piqued my curiosity! lol
Hi Greygoose, I think I have my T3 at a reasonable level, although last endo visit she wanted me to add T4 and reduce T3 on a sliding scale. I have no intention of doing that and have stockpiled my T3. My exercise class was causing me problems, needing to up my T3, but I've found if I delay my second dose I can cope. I've also explained I must not push myself, which is something I do all the time.
As to the weight side of things, the teachers in the group (same people as exercise group. NHS led.) tend to stick to the Eat well plate, which I find does not suit me. Too made grain based carbs and low fat which is the way they would like me to eat.
Strangely when eating that way I craved chocolate, which I put down to not getting enough fat in my diet. Since returning to my own way of thinking I have dropped a dress size.
I hope that explains things.xxx
Arrrrggghhh They just Don't get it, do they! Low fat is the last thing you should be eating. The body needs fat, and eating fat doesn't make you fat. Glad you resisted that temptation and are eating your own way. Sounds like a waste of time, that group, making people sicker, rather than better.
Exercising uses up your T3, but I bet they Don't know that, either! So, T3 at a 'reasonable' level might not be enough. What is 'reasonable', anyway. The point of thyroid hormone replacement is to take enough to get rid of all your symptoms, and being unable to lose weight is a symptom. So, that says to me that your T3 level is not 'reasonable' enough.
Besides, your weight gain probably isn't even fat, so not amount of dieting and exercising will get rid of it!
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I am smiling.I think I know the group you are referring to!
My husband has just spent 12 weeks with an NHS based weight loss group and also brought home the portion plate .....religiously filled in his food diary at every meal and it nearly drove me mad.
I welcomed him joining the group as what man will listen to his other half ?...... so thought it would be good for him to hear it from someone else.
Boy am I relieved that he signed off this week !
He now weighs the same as when he signed on and the change in diet has altered his warfarin level which has meant upping his intake !
When he told them at the clinic that he was attending the weight matters class they said that would be what had altered his reading.
He is borderline diabetic and has just had a second TSH test after waiting three months which is again over 7.......7.41.
Needless to say he is seeing his GP next week !
I personally thank my lucky stars I discovered Thyroid UK!!
Thanks for the info on reasonable T3 levels being needed in order to lose weight,as I am just beginning to make headway with that.x
greygoose• in reply to
You're welcome. Pity your husband had to go through all that, though. I must be very demoralising.
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Yes it was a shame,but something he wanted to do.
Right now I'm concerned about his thyroid,wondering how long he's had a high TSH ? If it hadn't been for a raised sugar level blood test it might never have been tested.
He's had heart surgery,parathyroid surgery,is on warfarin,calcium,heart tabs,blood pressure tabs and a weekly alaendronic acid tab.( took himself off statins)
I shudder .......quite a chemical cocktail.
greygoose• in reply to
A ghastly cocktail! Has he had a heart attack, then? Getting him on to thyroid replacement will probably make him feel a whole lot better!
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He had a heart attack back in 2009 and needed a replacement aortic valve.( Bovine)He was told that with an animal valve he didn't need warfarin and yet was put on it when back home.( was told by his surgeon that it was only needed with a mechanical valve.)
The parathyroid op came in 2012
( 3 removed ) also a pace maker inserted.
He has done so well and I am proud of him,the way he deals with it all.However,I do worry about all the pills he takes.
greygoose• in reply to
Yes, it must be a worry. Still, if you can get him diagnosed, he might be able to come of some of them soon.
... and when your thyroid level is good, your body is perfectly able to process (good) fats well. The "low fat" craze is one of many stupidities inflicted on us by allopathic medicine hype, and is one of the reasons so many people are now enjoying ;( the side-effects of statins. Grrrrr!
Not at all, Kai-An. Glad it's useful.
Hi gg, this is really good of you, many thanks for your support and interest.
I am still stuck though. The phytic acid in nuts, seeds and pulses is a problem as is their digestibility which won't work around the yoga teaching and I'm trying to be gluten free. Soy flour, tofu and miso were my solution. All I can think of trying is either vinegar or citric fruit juice with every meal to 'dissolve' the phytic acid.
There has to be a way.
If there are any vegans out there who've found a solution, please let me know.
I'm afraid I Don't really understand the problem with phytic acid.
Isn't soaking nuts supposed to get rid of the phytic acid?
Have you tried coconut flour? Or is there phytic acid in coconut?
I have heard cooking nuts is supposed to make them more digestable, but i still have problems with them.
Hi Greygoose, I think soaking does remove some of the phytic acid but until my ferritin levels are beginning to rise I'm very reluctant to take in even small amounts.
Maybe you need to come and live with me for a term to see the problem of finding foods that provide sufficient protein without upsetting the thyroid or ferritin!!!
Not sure about phytic acid in coconut but I used to have a lot until I read something else bad about it, which, as I do, I have now forgotten.
It's all a journey and we are all finding our ways through, I am so grateful to you and others on this site, especially the administrators.
Oh, I have my own problems finding something to eat! Problem is, I Don't like food. End of. lol I Don't enjoy eating. I can never think of anything I want to eat. I'm just sick of the whole process.
I only eat meat twice a week, maximum - and that's when my daughter gives me lunch. I Don't buy or cook meat myself. I eat it reluctantly to please her. I very much doubt that I get enough protein, but Don't know what to do about it.
And talking of that, I realise that I am now late for Sunday lunch with my daughter, which will he heavy on meat and cheese, and possibly eggs... And I'm not in the least bit hungry, even though it is half past one UK time...
Gotta go. xxx
Oh Greygoose I am cheered to read this, half my problem is like you a lack of interest, food is necessary fuel, often an unwelcome interruption to my day. Breakfast sat all ready but untouched until 11.30 this morning.
So glad to have met another similar!
I didn't have breakfast this morning, just a cup of cocoa. Because I knew that if I did, I would have no interest in lunch! As it was, I didn't have any interest in lunch, anyway. lol I put a potato on my plate, poured some melted cheese over it, and then played with it for a while as I chatted to the company. I think I may have actually eaten about half of it. But I can't say I enjoyed it.
Dessert looked beatiful! A chocolate and pear Christmas log! But I Don't like chocolate much, and I Don't like pear very much, and I dislike the two together. But I ate a small slice to be matey.
However, I shan't be eating tonight, that's for sure! We'll see tomorrow morning...
This is hilarious, we are so similar, especially around pear and chocolate together.
Other foods I can't understand anyone eating yet people seem to absolutely love are: apple pie with ice cream, Christmas cake, Xmas pud and mince pies, I can manage the pud well doused with brandy and with a good helping of rum 'butter' but luckily now all my offspring are grown up and with no in-laws I can just say 'no thanks'.
I'm wondering if you are very slim gg? That's a bit personal so ignore if you like. I'm not slim but if all the advice on calories in energy out were correct I'd be skinny!
Rambling a bit - got a lot of work I ought to be doing ... instead I'm enjoying the distraction of your amusing posts.
Oh! I hate apple pie!!! And I'm not very keen on ice cream - won't eat vanilla. I wouldn't eat a shop Christmas pudding or mince pie, but my mum used to do lovely ones. So, I ate them as a child. Mine aren't so good.
There are so many things I Don't like boiled potatoes - if I'm going to eat them I have to have about half a pound of butter. I think my biggest hate is green beans! You, know, the French type green bean (not the good old British runner bean, I can eat those) I cannot bear the thought of putting a green bean in my mouth! Ugh. Dark chocolate - I can just about manage the milk type. Sometimes. Most biscuits - I think Hobnobs are vile! lol Swedes, parsnips, brussels sprouts... I could go on and on, but I won't bore you any longer. But the problem is that even things I do quite like - ish - I can't be bothered to eat them.
Am I slim? No. lol But at the moment, I'm not fat, either. My weight has yoyoed all my life - irrespective of 'dieting' - because, of course, I did, when I was younger and didn't know any better. But then, my life-long Hashi's probably explains that! Certainly, my silhouette has never reflected the amount I eat. Because I've been slim at times I've been eating the most, and obese at times I've eaten the least. But, that's hypo for you!
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thyr01d
Phytic acid is known to chelate important minerals and inhibit enzymes (including pepsin needed to digest our foods) when eaten in excess.
Yoga teaches balance (in all aspects) so eating what is beneficial to your health is surely the healthy option and not to eliminate physic acid foods (nuts, legumes, etc) totally but to consume at acceptable levels and soak whatever requires soaking? ?
I have read that too many nuts can block iron absorption and then whole grain rice which is the highest in B’s should be used for daily consumption but contains phytic acid so the info is mixed and confusing.
I eat a little of everything.
Flower
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Hi Flower
What you've written seems right and I'm not finding the info confusing but putting it into practice as a vegan is tricky because I have very low ferritin levels at the moment, which I suspect is from the phytic acid.
I am not eliminating totally foods with this phytic acid but trying to find a balance where my body has sufficient protein, that's what's difficult. There's a lot of phytic acid in pulses and nuts, good sources of vegan protein and foods like spinach prevent the body from accessing the ferritin that mine currently needs, so GreyGoose has kindly tried to help.
Any thoughts and suggestions are welcome, you are all very kind.
Thanks - that list was very helpful. Nuts are always a fine protein eaten daily!
No, Kai-An, thank you for the suggestion, but it definately wouldn't revive my interests in food. lol Not in any aspect of it.
Twice in my life-time I've worked as a cook, so I do know quite a bit about food. And my dinner-parties used to be the talk of the town. And perhaps that's part of the problem. I'm all fooded out! I'm just not interested in eating anymore.
And, at the same time, I think about it all the time. I can write about food endlessly. I quite like leafing through cook books and looking at the photos. But that's as far as it goes. Sorry.
Apologies GG for not picking up on your gentle hint and thanks for tolerating the long discussion clogging up your inbox.
That's OK, thyr01d.
Merry Christmas! x
By the way, what are you going to eat for Christmas??? Myself, I will be surrounded by food supplied by others, and I will just pick at it. lol But I think it will mainly be rice and seseme sauce that I eat.
I'm Lucky in that I'm not badly affected by anything I eat - I didn't even know about phytic acid - except soy - and there's never any of that in my house! It's just that all my enthusiasm for food has gone...
GG I had no sense of smell or appetite when under-treated, just nibbling & hibernating too! Now my interest is back & I have a bit more energy, thank goodness. (I won't mention vitamins).
J
Oh, there's no way I'm undertreated - I self-treat. lol And I have quite a good sense of smell and taste. Too good, at times! And I do get hungry, some times. I just can't find anything I want to eat. For the first time in my life, I have no restrictions on anything - not budget-Wise, not trying to please other people, etc - and none of it means anything anymore. It's all just plain boring, most of the time, and other times it's nausiating. Oh well, whoever said life was fair? lol
Hi Greygoose, rice and sesame sauce is rather good.
My daughters will make swede and lentil bake with white wine and dill sauce. One of them was considering making an Xmas pudding too, though they both love chocolate as does one of their partner's so, it's more likely there will be chocolate cake for pud!
I do feel hunger and if I ignore it I can't concentrate and if I carry on ignoring I get over-emotional, so I do eat, but for some reason now there's no tastebud thrill.
Is this how you are?
No, it isn't. I Don't feel any conséquences if I Don't eat. Often I go without dinner in the evening, because nothing tempts me. And then feel a tad hungry around midnight, but I just go to sleep and forget it. But if I do eat, I can taste alright. I just Don't like the taste of most things.
My daughter made me some butternut squash soup last week. I took one sip and gave it to the dog! She said I might find it a bit lacking in taste, but I found the opposite! lol
Just now, I ate a boiled egg. I didn't want it but haven't eaten for a while, so I decided to try, and surprise, suprise, it tasted wonderful! So, I'm glad I made the effort. lol But it was an effort.
Would that be coral lentils? They're OK, but I cannot stand green lentils. And that's mostly what they eat in France. My granddaughter loves them, and I just can't understand why. lol
I'm really not keen on chocolate, either. My daughter says she's making two Christmas logs. One all chocolate, and I can't remember the other one... But it will probably be the other one I try. One year, she made a tiramisu log, and, I have to admit it, that was just divine! lol
Yes, coral lentils.
How curious. Do you think you have a slow metbolism and you listen to your body so rather than eating like everyone around you, you naturally follow your body's instincts?
My son is married to a French young lady, I can't understand why they live in Manchester when they could move out to the south of France and enjoy far better weather, not to mention food, wine and conviviality!
In case we don't chat again before Christmas, enjoy the celebrations.
Probably because Manchester is where the work is - there's not much work in the South of France.
I Don't know why I feel like I do about food - perhaps just, as I said before, I'm all fooded out. Done too much cooking and eating in my time. It's all just too much hassle.
Merry Christmas!
Oh, and the other log is going to be lemon, she just told me! lol
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