Is that even possible?

[madness07]

Hey guys!

As my first visit with endo is over I have one question.

Is it possible that having 3x norm antibodies and having changes in thyroid is normal and that I don't have hashimoto? Started to develop more and more symptoms also.

[shaws Administrator]

Hi Madness007

What was your Endocrinologist's opinion - I assume he suggested you don't have hashimotos? How did your consultation go?

[madness07 in reply to shaws]

It was the worst i expected. That having elevated antibodies is normal sometimes, and that changes in thyroid are natural. That I do not have hashimoto and even if i would have she wouldnt treat me coz there is nothing to treat. Thats why i ask if such a thing is even possible.

I was diagnosed by an experienced endo, i changed him only coz he is in different country than i live. And instead of appointment with doctor i was supposed to, i met with very young lady, which went on rampage as soon as i mentioned dr Toft's name.

Now i am going back to my country to meet dr who diagnosed me first.

[shaws Administrator in reply to madness07]

I am so sorry you had such an upsetting consultation. It would seem to me that you know much more than the person (supposed to be Endo) you consulted.

Some doctors think antibodies are nothing at all but we know that antibodies are attacking your thyroid gland and you will eventually become hypothyroid. If she went over-the-top when you mentioned Dr Toft she must not know that he is the Queen's consultant when she is in Scotland. So he must have something going for him.

If you go back to your country I hope you get a more accommodating doctor. I think you are far better to have ditched the Endo as she appears to know nothing about treating a person who has thyroid antibodies.

[madness07]

So is what she said possible?

[shaws Administrator in reply to madness07]

As I'm not medically qualified I will give you two links. Others who have Hashimotos will probably respond.

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

This is an excerpt from the following link:-

Hashimoto's disease should more properly be called chronic immune thyroiditis, and can be detected chemically by the presence of antibodies, the rise in TSH, and low blood levels of thyroid hormones. Where the TSH rises, but the thyroid hormone levels remain in range, the condition can be called subclinical hypothyroidism. It is worth noting that the antibody levels may diminish as hypothyroidism becomes established, or where treatment with thyroxine is given.

It frequently happens that Hashimoto's disease is missed because of undue reliance on blood tests. Usually the T4 is low, although it may not be out of range. So too, may be the T3. This will suggest poor thyroid hormone output. While in the normal course of events the TSH normally rises in this situation, it may actually be normal, or even low. The reason for this is a down-grading of the hypothalamic/pituitary axis due to the state of hypo-metabolism that the low thyroid function induces. (This also applies to adrenal function, which it may be remembered, can also be damaged by autoimmune disease.)

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

[Clutter]

Madness, if your thyroid peroxidase antibodies or thyroglobulin antibodies are 3 times over range you have Hashimoto's. UK doctors are peculiarly unwilling to call it Hashimoto's and may call it thyroiditis or chronic thyroiditis.

Hashimoto's attacks the thyroid gland and eventually destroys it causing hypothyroidism. It can take a long time until thyroid levels are abnormal enough for a hypothyroid diagnosis and symptoms may precede abnormal bloods by months/years. You can slow progression, but not stop it, by adopting a 100% gluten-free diet which may also help reduce antibodies.

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/diagno...

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

[Heloise]

At the moment I would say that you do have Hashimoto's because those antibodies show that you have had lymphocytic attacks. Most think it is permanent but some doctors feel it is curable. This type of doctor would look for the cause. There can be over 20 causes as far as Dr. Clark is concerned.

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