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Just for everyones awareness, my RLS was way worsened by the covid vaccine and so far it seems to have been a permanent side effect. I had RLS since I was a kid but tyically lasted 10 to 30 minutes each night whereas after the vaccine (within days) it shot up to 2 to 3 hours. I wanted to make sure I share my story here in case anyone finds it useful.

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Which Covid vaccine did you have? I've had two Astrazeneca and two Pfizer since Feb '21 and none impacted my RLS. I know that Joolsg reported RLS symptoms after Moderna vaccine, but I *think* that didn't last (hope I've got that right Joolsg ?)

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the7thsong in reply to ChrisColumbus

Pfizer. It has been 2 years now so to be honest I'm not really still holding out hope.

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SueJohnson

It does affect some people that way. It is probably because it can increase inflammation, but it is not permanent.

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SueJohnson

Are you taking any medicine for your RLS?

Have you had your ferritin checked? Improving your ferritin to 100 or more helps 60% of people with RLS and in some cases completely eliminates their symptoms. If not when you see your doctor ask for a full iron panel. Stop taking any iron supplements including multivitamins that have iron in them 48 hours before the test, fast after midnight and have your test in the morning. When you get the results, ask for your ferritin and transferrin saturation (TSAT) numbers. You want your transferrin saturation to be over 20% but less than 45% and your ferritin to be at least 100. If they are not, post them here and we can give you some advice.

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the7thsong in reply to SueJohnson

I'm on pregabalin since then yes and medical cannabis - both of which together put me to sleep.

Yes, ferritin is 105. Cannot see trasferrin saturation on my results, will look into that :)

Thanks Sue!

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SueJohnson in reply to the7thsong

You might want to increase your pregabalin temporarily to help with your reaction from the vaccine.

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Hi 7th Song, sorry for hijacking your post. I wanted to say that there’s a very intricate relationship between immune responses (such as when we encounter a virus or get a vaccine) and the central nervous system. Here’s a relevant article e-jsm.org/journal/view.php?.... Most people (73-75%) of new or worsened RLS saw it disappear within a few days.

Allow me to venture a guess, your body is still fighting a ghost/foreign protein that is long gone. But I believe there’s more to the story. When your body thinks it’s under attack it releases a hormone called hepcidin that keeps iron out of the hands of the alleged invader. In cases of actual bodily invaders it’s a great little trick because every microbe loves and needs iron. I further believe that despite your healthy ferritin you need some extra circulating iron at night. I recommend trying one or two capsules of 25mg ferrous bisglycinate on an empty stomach, about two hours before bed and before your RLS meds. That’s what rids me of RLS in one hour for one night. Thus I must repeat every night. If it doesn’t rid you of RLS in one hour then go on to your other meds and think about continuing to take the iron in the hopes that raising your ferritin will lessen the RLS.

EDIT: Well, well, look at what I found. I quote:

“Inflammation, therefore, causes alterations of iron homeostasis hallmarked by functional iron deficiency (ID) as reflected by high iron content in reticuloendothelial cells and consequently high serum ferritin levels whereas circulating iron levels are low. Subsequently, inflammation limits this metal’s availability for erythropoiesis, thus causing anemia, termed as anemia of inflammation (AI) [7]. AI is highly prevalent in patients with infections since the underlying immune-mediated iron restriction is considered as an important host defense mechanism to limit microbial proliferation and pathogenicity. Indeed, iron is not only essential for multiple cellular processes for eucaryotes but also for microbes including viruses [8,9,10,11,12,13]. Of importance, over 80% of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 presented with inflammation-driven imbalances of iron homeostasis upon admission, which predicted an adverse clinical course [14]. As ferritin also has pro-inflammatory properties, it has been speculated whether or not hyperferritinemia in COVID-19 might contribute to its pathogenesis and severity [15,16,17]. Accordingly, we herein analysed for persisting alterations of iron metabolism in survivors of COVID-19 aiming to evaluate their prevalence and their association with persisting pathologic processes linked to COVID-19.”

The answer is YES, imbalanced iron homeostasis persisted after the Covid infection was gone. respiratory-research.biomed...

My point in all this is that I think you have mildly elevated ferritin due to mildly elevated hepcidin due to a hyper vaccine immune response. That elevated hepcidin is causing lower than normal circulating iron at night which is provoking worse RLS symptoms. Iron is the grease and glue that keeps everyone’s dopamine transport system chugging along. And that circulating iron in your blood (not ferritin) plummets at night -in everyone. Only we who have RLS and very little stored BRAIN iron rely heavily on that circulating iron and we just can’t handle that drop at night whereas the non-RLS world handles it just fine. This is all just speculation on my part in terms of your worsened RLS… post-vaccine.

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Meanwhile some things that can make RLS symptoms worse for some people are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, sugar, carbs, foods high in sodium, foods that cause inflammation, ice cream, estrogen, dehydration, MSG, collagen supplements, electrolyte imbalance, melatonin, stress and vigorous exercise. Some things that help some people include caffeine, moderate exercise, weighted blankets, compression socks, elastic bandages, masturbation, magnesium glycinate, low oxalate diet, selenium, 5 minute shower alternating 20 seconds cold water with 10 seconds hot water finishing with hot water for another couple of minutes, hot baths, distractions, applying a topical magnesium lotion or spray, doing a magnesium salts soak, vitamins B1, B3, B6, B12, D3, K2, if deficient, and potassium and copper if deficient, massage including using a massage gun, using a standing desk, listening to music, meditation and yoga.

Many medicines and OTC supplements can make RLS worse. If you are taking any and you list them here, I can tell you if any make RLS symptoms worse and if so may be able to give you a safe substitute.

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UPDATE: I've seen your Reply above that the vaccination was 2 years ago

And how long ago was this? Most of us in the UK of a certain age will have had 3 or 4 Covid vaccinations since early 2021 and I've only noticed a few posts commenting on this affecting RLS - and generally temporarily, probably because of inflammation as SueJohnson posits

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That's becuse the vaccines cause inflammation and RLS is also mainly caused by inflammation of the nerves. Food is often a cause of inflammation (e.g the classic beer belly is due to the inflammation caused by the alcohol) so try avod all foods that are causing this inflammation. There are many lists which can be found on the internet (though I haven't found red meat which is on some lists to be a problem). I've found that the main foods to avoid are refined carbohydrates like bread and sugar and refined seed oils like sunflower oil or canoa oil. I only use cold pressed olive oil or coconut oil. Also reduce sweet fruit and stick to things like berries which also contain antioxidants which protect from inflammation caused by any oxidative oils that you can't avoid.

By doing this I've eliminated my RLS without resorting to medication.

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I believe it, and this is why I took no Covid vaccines even though I worried about my elderly Mom, and of course other people too. Did my best to test, mask, and be cautious. Not to mention I thought I might never get to see Europe again due to the mandates. Had read about numerous neurological side effects, and asked my neurologist. He didn’t say not to take them, but he also said there wasn’t enough data to know what effects it would have on my RLS. It’s scary to think that could get worse when I was already on drugs I didn’t want to be on (Horizant, yuck. Lyrica - terrible side effects. Gabapentin - ok but hoping to not go up in dosage).

As a side note I never got Covid until December 2022. While I was quite sick, thankfully it never went to my lungs. And in the weirdest twist, my RLS was almost nonexistent during that month of illness.

I wish everyone peace who is grappling with this issue, vaccines or no. It’s a tough thing. My spouse was hospitalized with Covid (got it on a work trip) and it’s not something to take lightly. OP I truly hope this side effect subsides with time.

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SueJohnson in reply to BocaMom

My guess is the reason it was non-existent when you had covid is because the virus thrives on iron and sugar, depleting iron and iron stores in the body. In an effort to protect itself, the body may sequester (segregate) iron in the form of ferritin. That said 1.7% have their RLS get worse when they get covid.

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BocaMom in reply to SueJohnson

Great theory Sue! It’s one of those mysteries I will always wonder about. Wish it was something that could be studied extensively. I thought maybe all the inflammation went to my respiratory system instead of the rest of my body. (??)

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Makes sense to me. Both Pfizer & Moderna have been known to cause neurological issues. And that is what RLS is. You might check out some of the vax detox routines out there, like proteolytic enzymes to break up any residue of the protein spike.

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No, no one should check out “vax detox” routines like proteolytic enzymes. It’s not the spike protein that lingers, it’s the ANTIBODIES we produce that lingers and for those of us who tend to be “over reactors” then just about any foreign, even benign, protein can cause neurological/auto-immune type reactions. To repeat, it’s not the spike protein that’s the problem, it’s our bodies over- reaction to it via antibodies. If we stopped production of a vaccine, antibiotic or food item (peanuts, dairy, gluten) just because a few of us over-react, then we might as well go back to the dark ages where people would die from an infected cut.

Where did you read about “vax detox” - on Newsmax? That is the least credible source of information out there.

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I’m glad to report that I’ve had 5 Covid vaccines without a problem. They were all Pfizer.

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Oscarcat63 in reply to Grammieof4

Yes,, me also.2 AZ and 3 Pfizer.

No I could say, anecdotally that they made my RLS worse... i did gave a severe headache after each.

However, I am aging, I had no meds for rls until after my 4th vax, and I was on quetiapine...

I know rls is progressive....I expect it to worsen without medication.

I know some psych meds make it worse.

But hey, everone is different !

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Canterberry

Totally agree with you! Vaccine caused very very mild RLS to go through the roof. The sleep issue it has caused is absolutely terrible!

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FLAME43 in reply to Canterberry

I found extreme attacks after having the vaccination, and had 5 injections for dentist work and it seemed to worsen again, wonder if it could have that affect

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I'm sorry this happened to you. The spike protein was the worst element to use in an MNRA DNA shot as it then resides everywhere in the body. The same issues and others occurred with me from Omicron (I even got diagnosed with emphysema, never smoked or drank, ex-triathlete and the diagnosis through a CT scan got reversed too). Listening to different doctors who treat 'long-covid' or vaxx injuries, I resorted to ivermectin as that is a go-to and it simply worked wonders, is very non-toxic too. I was desperate so would try anything if I thought it might work. There's a very informative thread on reddit 'debateVaccines' that you can search for jab effects and detox. I wish you well again.

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Ivermectin can be quite toxic and there was a surge in calls to poison control centers because people were listening to goof balls that were pushing it for Covid. No one should self administer it. The vaccine does NOT cause the spike protein to go everywhere. It stays mainly in the muscle where it is injected and is mostly gone in a few days, as is any foreign protein. The body launches an attack (antibodies) and that attack is somewhat more widespread.

There’s always going to be “over reactors” - be it a Covid vaccine, Shingrix, an actual virus or a peanut. When someone who has that horrible peanut allergy ingests a nut, it’s not that the nut protein goes everywhere, it’s that there is a “storm event” caused by the person’s own immune system that brings about anaphylaxis and possibly death.

So to reiterate - NO, the spike protein does NOT replicate inside you and flood your organs and stay there forever. Viruses replicate (not spike or peanut proteins) and become part of your cells and some viruses do stay in your body - mostly dormant. We and other mammals evolved over millions of years with these viruses inside of us and many of them play an important role in maintaining a balance among our own personal zoo animals. The human body contains more foreign microbial cells than human ones.

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Please google 'The Media Fell for a Viral Hoax about Ivermectin Overdoses' which says this: WebSep 6, 2021 · The Associated Press recently reported that 70 percent of calls to Mississippi's poison hotline were from people who had taken ivermectin. This was an error: The actual figure was 2 percent . Remember, Merck donated ivermectin to the world as a 'miracle drug' to quote Anthony Fauci, not a horse dewormer. I'm skeptical you're a paid author of some of the horse dewormer posts:) Penicillin and other drugs are used for human as well as animals. smh.

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Where did you get your ivermectin and what dosage did you take and for how long? Sorry, but I don’t believe in conspiracy theories or cover-ups. I would love to see any legit article talking about ivermectin as a tool to detox from a Covid vaccine. Have you embraced the FACT that the spike protein used in the vaccine does NOT reproduce and spread through-out your body and overwhelm your organs. You lose all credibility when you make statements like that.

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I got my ivermectin from a doctor and friend in 2020. I 'micro-dosed' on it when visiting people or traveling about three times. When I had omicron in January of 2022, I took 3 mg daily for five days. There are literally no side effects, this can be easily looked up. Certainly not kidney failure as with remdesivir. I got alot more from an online source and would be asked for it for 'my sick wife, daughter' etc... enough I had to order more. My brother had the double jab and two boosters along with COVID soon after each booster for a total of three times. He has vaccine/COVID damage in the form of an enlarged aorta, high blood pressure and now, peripheral arterial disease. None of this runs in the family, he's 62 and an avid cyclist. The spike protien DOES jump from cell-to-cell, this is undisputed and I've attached the link for 'a' study/explanation. None of this is conspiracy theory. Neither are the record profits of the drug companies manufacturing mnra vaccines. You can also be compensated from a taxpayer funded vaccine injury fund (The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program) as drug companies are not liable for any damage. Here's the method of spike protein that enters cells. Ivermectin attaches to the spike protein and is effective in keeping it from spreading. You might also read 'The Real Anthony Fauci' by Robert F Kennedy jr, now a 2024 democratic presidential candidate. It's so well annotated-that is about 1/3 of the book. No one (including Fauci) has sued him yet. I love science, I love reading detailed, well-written pieces and studies on both sides. I do not love big pharma and the FBI working with twitter to cancel and suppress information.frontiersin.org/articles/10...

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Of course the SARS Cov 2 virus, along with its spike protein, replicates and attaches to cells (via enzymes on the cells) through-out our bodies, though mainly in our lungs I believe. You do know that it’s the ensuing cytokine storm that takes most people out. Hence the use of steroids. The molecule or two of spike protein in the vaccine has no ability to multiply and invade cells the way the complete virus does. However, like with any foreign protein introduced inside of us, the body will go on the attack and neutralize the protein. It’s our own body’s reaction to that tiny piece of protein that can cause flu-like symptoms in the first few days after a vaccine. That’s a good thing. Then our bodies will remember that protein the next time around when the virus floods our lungs with it.

At this point I can tell I’m just talking to a wall. You’re lost in the weeds my friend. Time to claw your way out.

Finding, testing and implementing treatments for viruses is such a daunting task it’s beyond your wildest imagination. So how you can pass judgement on what should or shouldn’t be used by doctors and hospitals in terms of Covid is laughable. Your and your brother’s experience does not a clinical trial make. But you know that. Right???

Like I said before, I was willing to bet the farm that Nitric Oxide was going to be the panacea. I read a few articles that anecdotally showed it improved lung function in Covid patients and also possibly stopped the virus from replicating. You see viruses replicate, not pieces of protein 🤪. Well, I would have lost my farm. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/367... Nitric oxide does NOT stop the virus from replicating.

And though it’s not mentioned in the article, too much inhaled nitric oxide can be VERY dangerous, just as ivermectin can, whether you accept that fact or not. The article did NOT determine whether or not NO might improve lung function in Covid patients. I accept all this. Just wish people like you would accept ivermectin’s complete and utter failure to treat Covid.

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The spike protein DOES lodge in different body organs including the brain and reproductive parts. This is a fact not disputed (anymore) by even big pharma or WHO. Please do some reading, 'Chronic' by Dr. Steven Phillips is good, and you can simply search podcasts for Dr. Paul Marik, and others. Dr. Pierre Khory was using steroids and z-paks early on but the narrative and directive was to do nothing and simply put patients on ventilators with no early treatment. For the sin of providing early treatment, Khory lost one job and left another as it was too painful to watch patients killed. The only anti-viral approved is still remdesivir (better known as 'Death is Near') that causes irreparable kidney damage in -"The fatality proportion was 36.45% in AKI cases with remdesivir treatment." (see link for study). I watched as my friend's son was put on remdesivir and a ventilator and then dialysis for his kidneys the remdesivir killed. The only conspiracy here is firing the 'early treatment' doctors who wanted to save lives.Link for remdesivir kidney damage, 2022: frontiersin.org/articles/10...

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Ivermectin doesn’t touch Covid or your make-believe replicating spike protein vaccine boogey man. You still havent given me an article about how the spike protein molecule in the vaccine grows and spreads and overwhelms the body. However, I found one for you from a reliably red state. nebraskamed.com/COVID/where...

MRNA/subunit proteins have been used for a long time now in vaccines, including for Hepatitis B. Proteins can’t replicate/reproduce - only living things can, including ones like bacteria and virus’. I don’t care if you inject a molecule of pea protein, soy protein, b12 or spike protein, it will never turn into 2, much less 2000 molecules. And if hospitals did give Covid or Pneumonia patients B12 shots as part of a protocol, I guarantee, there are millions of moronic conspiracy theorists out there who would claim that it was the B12 shot that killed their husband, brother, son, not Covid or pneumonia

Remdesivir, along with zinc, Tagamet and steroids, were given to our past Psychopath in Chief, when he contracted Covid. I, as well as the top doctors working on the Orange Blimp, believe these things saved his life. All of these things were used to treat tens of thousands of other Covid patients as well, with some success. Ivermectin was tried in clinical trials with ZERO success. It kills Covid in Petri dishes - that’s it, not once inside humans.

Get over it. There’s no conspiracy. A lot of substances were tested and failed. Including my personal favorite, inhaled nitric oxide. I invested a $1,000 in a company that had come up with a portable way of delivering nitric oxide. Lost about 99% of that money at this point. You don’t see me crying foul. Ventilators were a last resort, after all of the aforementioned were tried.

Remdesivir appears to be completely ineffective against the Omicron variant. Paxlovid is now favored. It wasn’t Remdesivir or the ventilator that killed your friend’s son. It was Covid.

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I gave you links. I recommended reading but you'll never read or listen to anything that violates your narrative. Keep getting boosters.

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Right here, right now, post the article that states that the spike protein inside the vaccine (not on the outside of the virus itself) swarms the body. Right here, right now 🔛

How did you like the Nebraska article I provided you - that brings the vaccine’s mode of operandi down to 8th grade level? Is it a bunch of lies?

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It’s not my “narrative” I’m posting about …it’s a VIRUS. One of Mother Nature’s finest inventions that have been shaping our planet for close to 4 billion years. I think we humans could probably survive oh, hmmm, let’s say 24 to 48 hours without viruses and bacteria. Do you blame me for relying on clinical trials and analytical data of about 500,000 scientists in the U.S. alone rather than a bunch of right wing conspiracy theorists. Btw, Stop the Steal 😂

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A hospital with no treatment except ventilators and remdesivir killed a 36-year-old young man with no history of kidney disease. You're not a doctor or scientist so while I will take the studies that show ivermectin helps and be sad it took so long for hospitals to begin using steroids and antibiotics that Dr. Pierre Kory started and recommend use of vitamin D and zinc for prevention. We're arguing our own points of view here and the silence of many tells me there's no overwhelming support for deathly fiasco of hospital protocol that went on for so long.

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You’re effen kidding me right??? That boy had COMPLETE kidney failure(not injury) due to Covid and the FACT that small clots (common with Covid) blocked his renal tubes most likely. His kidney FAILURE had nothing to do with Remdesivir. Did you read your own article? It talks about “reports” from patients and doctors wherein the patients experienced decreased kidney function either during or after infection with Covid and which the patient or doctor speculated was due to Remdesivir. Your article even states that in most of those reports the patient didn’t even receive Remdesivir but rather another drug. And the authors of that article are from a Western Chinese University and I wonder how much the Chinese government would like to blame our treatments rather than the virus itself

If you think that Remdesivir causes complete kidney failure you’re out of your…

Here’s my article: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

And months before Remdesivir was even approved, doctors and hospitals were realizing the ridiculously high proportion of Covid hospitalized patients that suffered from new onset kidney injury, especially among the elderly: journals.lww.com/JASN/Fullt...

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Kory wasn’t the first one to use steroids for Covid. And he’ll be the first one to state this fact. Where the heck are you finding these lies???

Kory saw doctors all over the country, and the world, having success with steroids so he tried it on his patients and had similar success. In a May 6, 2020 YouTube interview with Ron Johnson Kory complains that he sent advisory opinions and data to the Trump WH to mandate its use, but he was ignored by them. In reality, no matter what the WH mandated, or didn’t mandate, doctors and hospitals were using steroids ASAP on Covid patients that had severe hypoxia and in need of oxygen assistance or on ventilators. The problem, as Kory points out in his interview, is that very often people waited too long to go to the hospital, and then the steroids were ineffective at this late stage.

Shortly after Kory’s interview, the UK came out with a detailed report in June 2020, and supporting data from their clinical trials, supporting the use of steroids for severe Covid where the patient needed supplemental oxygen or were on ventilators. The steroids didn’t seem to do much for patients presenting to the ER with milder cases without severe hypoxia. abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/s...

Maybe that’s why Kory was dismissed by hospitals - he claimed steroids were helpful even before a person was experiencing severe hypoxia. He really pushed for early and long steroids and the actual evidence didn't support these claims. m.youtube.com/watch?v=unlQX... The UK data didn’t bear out his claims for use on milder ER cases. Hospitals can’t have doctors using steroids on patients who aren’t having a “cytokine storm” and severely hypoxic. These milder cases can very likely be harmed by steroids when their bodies aren’t over-reacting, but rather appropriately fighting the virus. You never want to tamp down an appropriate immune response.

I can’t speak to every doctor, in every small town hospital, but for the most part, steroids were part of the first line treatment when a critically ill patient presented at larger hospitals. And that use never stopped. In October 2020 Trump received steroids for his Covid. It was only after that he had a come to Jesus moment and wanted everyone to have the benefit of steroids if needed. Prior to that he ignored doctors pleas.

AND, Fauci is Mr. Steroid and antibiotics. He pioneered it back in the 1970s for a condition called Vasculitis - often caused by a virus. Once again, his pioneering spirit and dissatisfaction with the status quo saved 1000s of lives that would otherwise have succumb to this rare disease. Read it and weep. Love, love, love the honorable Dr. Fauci. I put him above Saint Teresa. Way above. nih.gov/news-events/news-re....

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Why do you assume I'm from a red state? Last I checked, California has been reliably democrat. It's a matter of sorting out facts from paid big pharma promotion. A lot of money to be had by universities and even osteopathic schools. The Nebraska piece was written. by a staffer in public relations having been there and done that. There's no author attribution to the piece. There are many studies backing up early treatment but thanks to big pharma, Fauci and other money interests, even vitamin D and zinc were warned against using. NAD, a widely used supplement was taken off Amazon and other platforms for fear it might help in prevention. I'm not going to keep doing your homework so maybe just try reading something like presidential candidate Dr. Robert F Kennedy's book, 'The Real Anthony Fauci.' It's good to read and listen to contrary evidence. We don't have to give up our party registration because we choose our health over a narrative by big money interests. Here's a link from citizens.org for this fact: 'the pharmaceutical industry has influence over politicians on both sides. Since 2008, the industry has spent $2.7 billion on lobbying in Washington, contributing 44 percent to Congressional Republicans and 56 percent to Congressional Democrats.' citizen.org/news/big-pharma....

Graph showing political contributions from pharmaceutical corporations to politicians.
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Oh I see, it was Fauci and BigPharma that caused that boy’s death. Right? That’s so pathetic Bookwriter.

It’s all so clear to me now. You, the boy, his parents. First, the boy’s parents thought Covid was all a Democratic hoax. Then, when it was undeniable, they claimed that the virus’ contagiousness and lethality was a Democratic/Fauci exaggeration. The boy’s parents said it was no different than the seasonal flu, right? Bet you said the same thing. They refused to take precautions, like staying home, wearing N95 masks, socially distancing, for themselves or their son, because after all, Fauci is just another democratic liar and all part of the conspiracy to subjugate republicans to a socialist way of life.

Then when their son caught Covid and was dying (probably long before he received Remdesivir and was put on a ventilator) and then died, the parents convinced themselves, and you, that the cause of his death wasn’t Covid at all…it was the hospital…it was the staff…it was the lack of Ivermectin at the hospital…it was the Remdesivir…it was the ventilator…it was Fauci. That’s the ticket, it was Fauci. How much you want to bet they waited till that boy was blue before they took him to the hospital? Do you see how sick that way of thinking is? Do you see the real pathology here?

Well, lucky for you and your kind, the virus has mutated to a less lethal form. But oh, this virus was/is a bitch. NEVER underestimate it. And sorry to inform you, but Fauci and BigPharma have nothing to do with that fact. Don’t you just hate it when you can’t blame them for something like that? Must really burn. 😉

Fauci begged and begged, and then begged some more, for people to take this virus seriously. He said stay home, mask up, socially distance. You and your friends didn’t listen, did you? But you ran to buy Kennedy’s book, didn’t you? What a waste of time and money. Nothing better to do? The guy has literally saved millions of lives and I’m talking about his protocol for HIV alone. He’s a national treasure. I thank god everyday for him. You see, we heeded his advice, not that of the Orange Blimp, and stayed home and masked up, and who knows, but for that, maybe my beautiful, sweet son would be dead too?

I have a friend who’s an interventional radiologist at Northwestern. He was called to the ER in 2020 because a man there (in his 40s) had a stroke/blood clot. He gets the catheter up there into his brain to remove the clot and he sees other clots forming, in real time! He never saw anything like it in 30 years of medical practice. I’ll give you 10 guesses what the problem was. You won’t guess it if I gave you a million, because you think it’s all a conspiracy. The man had Covid. Did you guess it? That was a common occurrence/reaction to the original Covid variant. Not so common now.

Guess what else!!! No matter how much money was accepted by politicians from BigPharma (per your comical, irrelevant graph) would alter the clots suffered by this man and millions of others. Let me repeat - this virus is a b-tch. Just accept it and stop doing the blame game.

That clotting reaction, that thrombi in his lungs and kidneys, are what killed your friend’s son. They should have listened to Fauci and kept their son at home. Sweet dreams …remember to count conspiracies.

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Hey, where do you and other conspiracy theorists get your false information from? Fauci takes, and highly recommends, vitamin d, vitamin c and zinc. This article is from 2020 cnbc.com/amp/2020/09/14/sup...

What he feels he can’t recommend, in good faith, at least for Covid, is “herbs and concoctions.” I can’t speak to Amazon pulling NAD, but do you REALLY believe that Fauci, Pharma and democrats somehow conspired and convinced Bezos to pull NAD, a Covid miracle cure 😂, off his shelves? Oh Bookwriter, time to get a life and stop blaming the world for your problems. Neither Fauci, Pharma or the Dems caused your post vaccine/Covid symptoms. It’s all on you and Mother Nature.

And once again, NO, the spike protein in the vaccine does not replicate and overwhelm your vital organs. And yes, that Nebraska article explains exactly how the Covid vaccine and all vaccines work. Would you like me to give you a thousand more just like it? Just look in the Mercks manual Bookwriter, it will confirm what that article explains about vaccines. I’m waiting for that article from you which says otherwise.

Still waiting 🙄

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Altruist

I had the Moderna booster 6 months ago (after two vaccines), and it way worsened RLS. The vaccines each had some impact, just not as pronounced as the booster. In all cases, I was in a moderately high inflammatory state. After having a miserable case of Covid, though, I couldn't take chances. Damned if you do or don't.

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Goldy700

Yes it is a reported side effect. Dr Robert Malone co inventor of MRNA vaccines is on record saying he developed RLS shortly after getting the vax. Neurological problems are a concern.

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I would question Dr. Malone before I would question the vaccine. Look him up.

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I like Dr. Pierre Kory. Malone is ok.

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It’s all about the $$$ with kooks like Kory, never the science. statnews.com/2022/07/26/ive... When will these right wing religious nut jobs ever learn not to believe these quacks. Kory is no longer a doc, just a political cult figure soon to be relegated to the MAGA trash heap along with Clarence Thomas. I repeat, it’s always about the money (and fame) with these idiots.

I never had worse RLS from any of the covid jabs in fact the first jab i had i slept most of the day and evening til 11-00 before my RLS showed up and i took my RLS meds. I don’t think i was the only one to find that their RLS temporary disappeared.

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