Thank you for info! I will try the red Bali for my severe RLS! I researched a lot about kratom, and the green maeng da so helped with withdrawal from pain meds. I wanted to safely ween off since I had a failed laminectomy then finally a SCS implanted for congenital spinal stenosis in Nov. Try make long story short.. a new pain doc, the epidemic going on, me weening myself, not knowing I had CSS., explains why I was so very active all my life, til stage3 B.C. Being down for almost2 yrs bc of treatment (over treated) and wbc's wiped out, stenosis really set in. Now that that's all taken care of, being off meds ( exactly one month now) ..I now know how much the opiates helped w RLS but I'm refusing to go back on it for this reason. So thank u for great input, I came across this forum in between my 15-20 min of sleep last nite and will head to all natural herbal shop for the red and try to update my experience. Best to all!