WORDS AND THOUGHTS

[Lrv44221]

KAHIL GIBRAN WROTE:

Don't enhance what is, but in advancing toward what will be............

I believe If we learn, improve and empower our lives, and try to stay focused on the positive, we can change our lives,,,,,,,.🦊🦊

[Gl448]

If you’re going to quote philosophers from 100 years ago, maybe get the quote right:

“Progress lies not in enhancing what is, but in advancing toward what will be.”

Your phrasing leads to a different meaning than intended.

Gibran wasn’t saying to not enhance what is, he said there is no progress in enhancing what is. To reach your goals, you must progress towards them.

You could help many of us dying men, struggling to find a cure for this horrible disease, not by posting platitudes or philosophical quotes that won’t move us towards our goal of a full recovery, but by sharing the homeopathic treatments and juicing recipes that cured your 6-months-to-live-cancer (whatever type of cancer that was) and slowed you to still be around 18 years later.

Why won’t you do us this favor?

Share the details of what you posted here:

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

[Hidden in reply to Gl448]

Holy Cow G, you left yourself wide open for this one… “to belittle, you have to be little.”

Mio

[Gl448 in reply to Hidden]

Thanks for the feedback. I truly appreciate such a clever play on words. Is that your original material?

You’ll thank me when I finally get the secret homeopathic treatments that turned a 6 month death sentence into an 18 year remission shared with the rest of us!

I’m sure your husband could use a miracle cure too. Many of us here could. If you ever get cancer yourself you’d probably appreciate it too.

Or do you think it doesn’t really exist? Why would someone post that they used it if it doesn’t? And if it does exist why would they post about it but not share the details? Very strange.

🦊💚🌷

[Hidden in reply to Gl448]

G, that was a quote from Kahill Gibran’s many wonderful quotes and no, I am not that clever! My husband can use a miracle, as for me, I am damaged goods as I watch my husband suffer and not know how to help him.

[Gl448 in reply to Hidden]

I was being ironic about it being your quote.

This disease takes a terrible toll on both the patient and their family. Many of us have little hope for a long life, and have only a few years of chasing new treatments in hopes of eking out a few extra years.

This is why I have no tolerance for those who spread false hope here with BS claims.

Cheers.

[EdBacon in reply to Hidden]

I'm really sorry to hear about your husband's suffering. I'm also living that so I know what it's like. If you ever want to talk about options, feel free to private message me. I'm learning more and there are others that I've been talking to and we are sharing notes. Let me know if I can help.

[Hidden in reply to EdBacon]

Thank you Ed, this means so much to me, I will❤️

[Lrv44221 in reply to EdBacon]

thanks Ed I appreciate you

[CAMPSOUPS]

My projection a little longer. 1 to 3 years. I sure could use some 18 year survival juice as well. Seeing the revolving door our forum is I would think she would be euphoric in an ability to share the juice secret with us men drawing numbers in the sky.

[Hidden]

Ed, why is LRV being held so accountable when we should be asking the same questions of medicine and our doctors. One promise after another with treatments that give up, don’t last and make a mess out of everything needed to fight this awful disease.

[EdBacon in reply to Hidden]

I have not heard of anyone on this forum saying that their doctors only gave them 6 months to live and yet they lived for 18 years using only natural treatments.

I'm dying from cancer and someone here has the potential to help me and others. At least share what it is and the cancer that was cured for the sake of everyone here.

[Hidden in reply to EdBacon]

Ed, no one wants to listen to those people. If there is something out there that’s going to help my husband, I will take it!

[Lrv44221 in reply to Hidden]

thanks so much for seeing the real picture . G1448 has been twisting my words and belittling me for some time

Yes, if I know a magic juice of course o would have my husband on it I said last year I followed Chris warks juicing iprotocol , from his book Chris beat cancer, I also changed my diet and beliefs if they would read my posts they could see how important many factors are

To belittle you have to be little , what an endearing statement,

I’m just trying to help people and hurting and mocking me me only makes me sad. Thanks for being kind to this old lady whose husband has pc I still believe so many wonderful people on this site appreciate my efforts desire and dedication to help . Thank you for your kind words and support

[EdBacon in reply to Lrv44221]

Most people on the forum share the details of their cancer and treatment. You don't. You shouldn't be surprised if that arouses suspicion. Don't act like people are picking on you because of it. Especially when you are making miraculous claims that far exceed the statistical norms.

[Lrv44221 in reply to EdBacon]

good afternoon Ed,

I did explain what I did years ago but G144 twisted my words and criticized what I did

I did massive juicing, with all vegetables and fruits but mostly carrots. Now it’s what Chris wark writes about, and I juiced every hour. Peed a lot too

I also walked and ate Whole Foods

Like my Hippocrates post. since my cancer was not hormone based I actually said I don’t know if my protocol would work for PCa

Then g144( I know that is not the correct address) twisted my words

I’m noticing he is the same way with other posts

I’m wishing him well and am just hurt not mad

Thanks for caring about me

[Gl448 in reply to Lrv44221]

"Ed,I did explain what I did years ago but G144 twisted my words and criticized what I did I did massive juicing, with all vegetables and fruits but mostly carrots. Now it’s what Chris wark writes about, and I juiced every hour..."

You never said what your juicing recipe was, no mention of "all vegetables, mostly carrots" until now. Yes, I would have dismissed this as useless treatment without SOC for PCa patients. Your comment about "homeopathic" treatments was also never clarified as to what that entails. Smarter people than me certainly challenged and criticized your post as well.

"..Hippocrates post. since my cancer was not hormone based I actually said I don’t know if my protocol would work for PCa..."

You NEVER said that. Not once in that thread did you even allude to what kind of cancer you had, let alone say it was not hormone based. NOT ONCE. Could you share what kind of cancer you had? Was it a solid tumor non-metastatic thing like Chris Warks?

You also never said you didn't know if your protocol would work for PCa.

You did say inaccurate things like cancer feeds off sugar, and since you posted that in a PCa forum I took it to mean you meant PCa feeds off sugar.

"...twisted my words I’m noticing he is the same way with other posts.."

You accused me of twisting Nusch's words when questioned him where he heard that milk caused diabetes. It was my misunderstanding of how he worded his post. He clarified what I meant and it was done. If asking a question is twisting words, someone is too sensitive. 

[Gl448 in reply to Lrv44221]

"thanks so much for seeing the real picture . G1448 has been twisting my words and belittling me for some time..." 

We could have avoided much of this if you had just answered my first inquiry about how you cured yourself of a 6 months death sentence without surgery or radiation and survived 18 years without SOC. This is the first time you've accused me of belittling you, btw...

"...I followed Chris warks juicing iprotocol , from his book Chris beat cancer, I also changed my diet and beliefs if they would read my posts they could see how important many factors are..."

Oh my, if only you'd just said that to one of my early inquiries we'd have killed far fewer electrons trying to get answers. It's been so frustrating thinking you had something truly helpful that you wouldn't share.

But, I'm confused because you cured yourself without SOC 18 years ago but Chris Wark didn't go public until 2010, and didn't publish his first book until 2018. Something you said below suggests maybe you came up with the same protocol on your own, is that the case?

I'm not twisting your words, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying because I'm just a dying old man whose brain is sometimes addled from ADT. As a female you'll never be able to understand completely how awful that is, no matter how many times you might here it from your husband or others.

 "...I’m just trying to help people and hurting and mocking me me only makes me sad..."

I'm not mocking you here, but I would encourage you to read the entire debunking of Chris Wark's claims at this link: sciencebasedmedicine.org/ch...

Chris Beats Cancer is a fraud. He had non-metastatic colon cancer with a solid mass tumor that was surgically removed. That’s what cured him, not whatever protocol he preaches.

He took a big gamble refusing the recommendations of his doctors, and unfortunately it paid off. I say unfortunately because it led to him becoming a cancer guru misleading his followers.

Compare Chris' claims of having a solid non-metastatic tumor being removed to the hundreds of thousands of non-metastatic PCa patients who have their prostate (and related cancer tumors) surgically removed. All of those guys are cured from the surgery even without following some whole food-juicing type protocol...

That's certainly some "food for thought" when considering alternative food/diet based treatments for PCa. 

[EdBacon in reply to Gl448]

I agree that Chris Wark is a fraud. But he has one of the most successful businesses based on cancer cured with SOC treatments, then attributed to alternatives. Lot's of wannabes are trying to imitate his success with their own miracle cancer stories. He's provided a road map for others to follow.

Since the general public has little to no knowledge about cancer and doesn't ask questions like you do, the ground is fertile for book sales, consulting and products (juicers anyone 💙💙). The problem comes when you try to sell this woo to people on an advanced cancer forum.

[Gl448 in reply to EdBacon]

Agree 100%.

It's out predation on desperate cancer patients and it's sickening.

I wish YouTube would shut that huckster down, and Amazon on the book sales. The claims of curing cancer are just pre fraud. Drop that claim and write about juicing and supplements for general health and at least it wouldn't be whaat I consider outright fraud.

I wonder if I could make bank by writing a book about how eating ground up dog testicles cured my BPH without mentioning I had a TURP. I could cite Anthony Hopkins character in The World's Fastest Indian as a supporting case study. LOL

That would be about in the same league as Chris Wark and Guy Tenenbaum's claims.

[Hidden in reply to Lrv44221]

I do get it, LRV. You are doing the best you can! I have read your posts and really don’t see any of these claims of cancer cures, other then leading as healthy a life style as you can. Juicing, supplements and exercise. I didn’t want the day to pass without posting to you first. It’s an awful feeling to feel misunderstood. Please have a nice relaxing night, LRV!

[Lrv44221 in reply to Hidden]

thanks so much a couple men wrote to me asking not to let hu know

They said gl448 is an absolute jerk and many of the hu men want me to keep posting but are afraid of tall Allen etc they said it’s a horrible site and they really want my advice and love my words and thoughts

I’m not sure who should do?

[Gl448 in reply to Lrv44221]

Geez are we really going there? Playing the “people are telling me blah blah” game. Another female played that same card when she was challenging TA’s knowledge here. Must be part of the female arguing playbook.

I can play it too, and I’m not making this up: I’ve had several men DM me saying LRV is full of BS and thank me for calling her out. They say she’s manipulative and her posts annoy them. They wish she would stop posting her feel good fluff filled misinformation.

I’m pretty sure the only ones who think I’m a jerk are ones who have posted bad information and I’ve called them out on it. I can certainly live with that.

Anyone afraid of TA must be afraid of science and the truth that’s backed by real science. That’s got to be the magic food and homeopathic crowd.

I don’t want to go a day without seeing hard facts by TA posted.

Y’all that think this is such a horrible site and just want feel good posts with no actual cancer treatment value could surely find some fluffy handholding sub-forum to sing Kumbaya in.

💚💚🦊

[Gl448 in reply to Lrv44221]

I was done questioning you and your fanciful claims but in your manipulative games trying to gain sympathy you decided to poke the bear.

Sad.

[Gl448 in reply to Hidden]

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

First post claims 18 years cancer free after declining SOC and second post explains juicing and diet cured her.

[London441 in reply to Hidden]

Now wait a minute. I don’t know of any doctors making ‘one promise after another’ with treatments. Except the prostatectomy of course. That one is on the way out, or should be anyway.

I believe the MO’’s and scientists are doing the best they can fighting an incredibly homogeneous, fecund, survival endowed, shape shifting disease. Empty promises are not what they’re in it for.

If treatments don’t seem all that great to you, think of what it was like only 20-30 years ago. Plenty of the fine gentlemen posting here would have been dead much sooner.

I also have to agree that the ‘hit and run’ nature of the OP is suspect.

[Hidden in reply to London441]

I’m sorry London, OP?, too early for me. I want to give you a thoughtful response.

[London441]

OP is ‘original poster’, in this case Lrv44221. The request to post the contents of the magical healing juice. Multiple requests had been made to provide details. I see now she has at least referenced a book as the source.

I doubt she would be mocked, hated etc for providing the juice recipe if she said she was simply providing it as requested. Or she could have told those asking to PM her. Then those requesting could repost publicly if they wished.

Most of us are aware of the controversy around treatment supported by research vs speculative (but presented as fact) on this forum.

I know some brilliant and well meaning people have left the forum for promoting supplements, homeopathic remedies etc. I agree with the position that most of them should be suggested as nice things to try, rather than as specifically tumor shrinking, cures etc.

Much of the promoting of these natural remedies has been accompanied by fake science to support claims which have no merit. This is where the trouble starts.

Personally I think while juices can be life giving in many ways, promoting them on this forum as cancer cures understandably tends to either make people shake their head or want to run out and try some.

We all wish the conventional and SOC treatments for advanced Pca were more effective, lasting etc. Yet they have advanced tremendously in the last several decades and continue to do so.

This is why I referred to the ‘one promise after another’ comment in my reply. Quality doctors don’t do that.

Unfortunately, what conventional medicine can currently offer are obviously not cures, so the quest for alternative solutions is never ending.

This is a beautiful thing, but the false hope that natural ‘cancer cures’ offer preys on those susceptible , and is detrimental and irresponsible.

[EdBacon in reply to London441]

Thanks for your reply. You said "We all wish the conventional and SOC treatments for advanced Pca were more effective, lasting etc"

This is often cited as a reason to use unproven, "natural" treatments. Yes, we don't have a cure . And yes, there is a lot to criticize about the current state of our cancer treatments, but that doen't mean that dying sooner using unproven treatments is better. The idea is to live as long as you can with the best QOL possible.

[Gl448 in reply to London441]

A cogent and thoughtful reply. Thanks.

[Gl448]

Lrv - thanks so much for inviting me to come read this thread yesterday. It's lead to some interesting, albeit incomplete, details of your own cancer treatments that took you from a six month death sentence to full recovery/remission for 18 years.

I'll admit to being very dubious of the actual claims and explanations at this point, but at least you've clarified a couple of things.

Certainly something to consider when reading any advice you're giving in the future, whichever way someone leans.

Thanks for your well-wishes. I share that sentiment for everyone on this forum, whether I agree with their views or not. Those of us who actually have advanced PCa are facing an eventual ugly and painful death, why would anyone not wish they could avoid that?

[maley2711 in reply to Gl448]

IMHO, perhaps HU, at the time of registration, should inform all new users that all are welcome to participate here, and personal experiences are encouraged. However, with that said, Hu does not endorse alternatives to SOC treatments as accepted by AUA, ASCO, NCCN,etc. Alternatives sould be viewed as addtions to SOC at the most.. and anyone contemplating their use should carefully consider what the adverse consequences could be from pursuing an alternative to the exclusion of SOC treatments. BE PROACTIVE, and use the enormous resources technolgy has given to investigate any protocol you might follow.

Anecdotes are fine, but in no way are a sound basis for deciding on one's own path. ETC !!!

[Gl448 in reply to maley2711]

Thanks.

I’d really like to see a forum structure that corrals certain topics together.

Segment each of the following into their own section allowing those who are interested to find the topics more easily, and those who aren’t interested to avoid them in their feed:

Alternative medicine

Food/Diet

Motivational/spiritual

Also, the ability to block certain individuals would be a blessing. (And yes, I’m sure several would block me! 🤣)

[EaNa]

Some people believe in the reality that is tangible and nothing else. Other people believe there is much more to reality than that. I'm not sure which is right, which is wrong, but what I do know is that there are plenty of examples of people being healed by faith (in something) alone. A person like me can't ask a person like that what the recipe is because more than likely it wouldn't work even if I knew, there's a lot more to it than that, faith being a part of it. I think that is the mistake we make, believing that what worked for someone else has to work for us. Perhaps there is a lot of preparation that needs to happen before we can benefit from alternative therapies, preparation not only of the body, but of the mind and spirit as well. There's no magic juice someone can concoct that would work for everyone, without that preparation and belief. Perhaps you found that recipe and somehow were prepared for it to be of help, perhaps your preparation even took place inadvertently over the years. I appreciate your willingness to help and inspire others, don't get discouraged if others can't appreciate at least your good will and intention, they are simply not prepared for anything you can offer them.

[Lrv44221 in reply to EaNa]

thank you EaNa for this. I have just been re thinking about faith

A couple people have been writing to me about believing

I do believe since I juiced long before Chris wark wrote about it I believe I was guided

Chris is also a Christian snd I read the things he writes besides healing I’m Not going to be discouraged and hope to continue to post things about healing

I think like you about reality next week I hope to write again thanks for writing

[Gl448 in reply to Lrv44221]

”I do believe since I juiced long before Chris wark wrote about it I believe I was guided.”

So I was correct all along, you’re 18 year remission after being given a prognosis of 6 months to live if you refused SOC, which you did) really was a MIRACLE CURE.

Praise the lord.

[maley2711 in reply to Gl448]

If you found a study of of 100-1000 who had her same diagnostic results, but who did not follow her path, and did nothing or followed a SOC treatment, I'm sure some of that same group would also survive much longer than 6 months........all of them miracles? I don't think so....Doctors don't know enuf to give you such survival predictions, but evidently they do anyway.....and then called a miracle when someone far outlives the "prediction". My guess is that she was not told she had zero hope of living past 6 months...I'd need to hear a recording of exactly she was told. Was her alternative self-treatment responsible.....no way at all to know that unless a well-done study. Why is that so difficult to understand for some folks?????

Hey, believe what you want, but Buyer beware.

[Gl448 in reply to maley2711]

Some good points there.

I’d sure like to know what her diagnostic results were. Seems to be a secret despite this being a forum where everyone shares all the gory details of their cancer. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[maley2711 in reply to Gl448]

yes, I vote for free speech here...but with GIANT warning.......BUYER BEWARE !!!

[Gl448 in reply to EaNa]

I respect those who have true faith in anything.

With all due respect, faith healing, magic juices, and miracle cures have no business in this forum.

[EaNa in reply to Gl448]

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in magic potions or jiggling of beads either, and when I say "faith" I don't even mean religious faith, but I've heard of and seen some interesting examples in the world of alternative medicine that are hard to ignore. Be discriminating but keep an open mind.

[Gl448 in reply to EaNa]

I won’t challenge that.

Sadly, though, there are many here who do believe in “magical” juices, food, and vitamins. Desperation for an easier treatment than SOC offers is a powerful influence over rationality.

Cheers.

[Lrv44221 in reply to EaNa]

YES i ALSO BELIEVE IN FAITH THE WAY YOU MENTIONED.

[j-o-h-n]

Wowie Hot!!!............. I was diagnosed in 2002 at MSK and had a RPD and two hernias repaired the old fashioned way. 3 years later I had 39 sessions of Radiation of the bed. 3 years after that I started Lupron/casodex for 15 years. Last month my MO stopped my casodex and will replace it with nubequa. So for 21 years I ate and drank what I wanted. Everything normal and no juicing and of course chocolate chip ice cream (2 scoops). I wish you all well and I also wish you all, brotherhood...

(Rodney King "Can't We All Get Along") God Bless!!!

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Monday 03/06/2023 7:04 PM EST

[maley2711 in reply to j-o-h-n]

and how many years were you "given" by your Docs after initial diagnosis and radiation?

[Gl448 in reply to maley2711]

From his profile it’s clear John didn’t refuse SOC and doesn’t claim he was ”guided” to refuse SOC and juice to cure his cancer…

Lots of guys here have outlived the prognosis, lots of guys have outlived the statistics, lots of guys haven’t. Very few of them here are claiming refusing SOC cured them.

[maley2711 in reply to Gl448]

didn't say he did!!!!

[Gl448 in reply to maley2711]

👍🏼

[j-o-h-n in reply to maley2711]

Good question, cause I never asked and never wanted to know.....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 03/07/2023 4:03 PM EST

[Gl448 in reply to j-o-h-n]

I also haven’t asked my doctors, other than stumbling across Dr Google’s prognosis, and his answer for Stage 4B Ductal type cancer wasn’t very encouraging.

[Lrv44221]

Thanks for sharing it is never too late 🦊