My radiation oncologist thinks my PSA level at .8 is too low for radiation treatment. It has doubled from .48 in 2010 to .80 in 2018. This trend alarms her (it was .70 in 2017). Her concern is that after radiation it will be difficult to measure a significant enough of a drop in the PSA level to declare "success".
She does not recommend AC, wanting to cure me at my "relatively young age" of 65.
Again, I had a 12 core biopsy with 1 cancerous tissue sample at 11% with a Gleeson score of 6.
She is recommending surgery and then follow-up radiation if a rising PSA score after surgery.
Has anybody heard of a similar situation?
Written by
Fox2018
To view profiles and participate in discussions please or .
There is no need to rush into surgery or any other treatment with just one core of Gleason 6. Active surveillance is the default treatment for you, based on what you know now. You need to consult with other specialists. It sounds like she is not well informed about radiation, of which there are five different types, all of which are as, if not more, effective as surgery, and with low side effects.
Not understanding those readings you quote at your age 65 the expected PSA age related reading ng/ml would be considered here in UK to be normal at >>>> 4.5 ng/ml<<<<<< Active surveillance is the way to go Beware of medics seeking to delve into your wallet
I agree with the others and I’d get a second opinion fast. Maybe a third. Something sounds very wrong to me.
I understand this is a difficult decision for you. The good thing is that there are many options open to you at this time. As others say, you need more information to judge what you will feel most comfortable with.
Your PSA is low and Gleason doesn't suggest your cancer, only one core, is aggressive so AS is one of your options.
If and when the time comes, you need to find out more of the pros and cons of all active treatment options from unbiased sources.
The feared consequences of surgery are not necessarily inevitable and radiation treatment is not without its own consequences.
Agree with the others--unless there are other issues you haven't stated, I'd go slow, get another opinion. Looking back over my PSA figures over 7 or so years, I'd been steadily increasing, from under 1 to 7.2, before I was sent to urologist. Maybe I should have gone sooner (had I known--my doc didn't think anything under 4 was worth talking about). But sounds like you've got plenty of wiggle room here.
No, I did not. (I don't know which, if any nodes can be evaluated by DRE). While this certainly isn't in my wheelhouse (I'm a dentist) I CAN say that palpable nodes I DO know about (head and neck) can mean a lot of different things--hard vs. soft vs. "rubbery", tender vs. non-tender, movable vs. fixed, but usually you can't be really sure what's going on unless (if malignancy is suspected) you biopsy the thing. At the same time, though my tumor was apparently considerably more advanced than what you have, there was nothing picked up on DRE (my first urologist said "nice, small gland, 20 gms., no lumps, no bumps"--all that in about 2 seconds). There was little doubt on MRI that I had a tumor "suspicious for extracapsular extension". So I was pleased that the postop path. showed no spread beyond the gland and clean surgical margins.
This is no guarantee that you shouldn't have surgery (nor that my luck will hold up), but it certainly sounds to me as if you're starting off early, and probably have time to consider your options.
I agree with the others here. Active surveillance. Only 1 core Gleason 6 and .8 PSA? I wish that had been my biopsy and PSA! I wouldn't have gone ahead with RP! AS sounds logical, with an annual biopsy. And get a second opinion from an oncologist specializing in PCa!
When I had my biopsy results, I asked my urologist for a second opinion. He referred me to a radiation oncologist and a CLINICAL ONCOLOGIST, a physician who specializes in cancer treatment (as you must know). The one I saw had a subspecialty in prostate cancer treatment. I thought he would be the most fair and one who could give me his opinion while having no necessary bias toward surgery or radiation. That's what I meant. He gave me the best advice. In my case (Gleason 7, PSA 10, age 67), he said if it were he in my place, he would choose RALP, because it gave the best chances of cure, and the prostate would be removed. After seeing a radiation oncologist, I picked surgery. I don't regret it.
. . . My radiation oncologist thinks my PSA level at .8 is too low for radiation treatment. It has doubled from .48 in 2010 to .80 in 2018. . . .
<<<
So your PSA doubling time is around 9 years, and the tumor is Gleason 6? You're likely to die of old age, before it grows large enough to be worth treating. I think your PSA is lower than most 62-year-old men. (You should check that . . . )
One caveat:
. . . A small percentage of prostate cancer tumors don't give off much (if any) PSA.
So an MRI (which detects tissue changes, not PSA) would be worth doing. If it doesn't show anything worth treating, I'd believe it.
. Charles
PS -- no letters after my name, and this is not medical advice.
Thanks Charles, I will be going for a multi-parametric MRI of my prostate gland soon - we'll see what it shows...
Something Charles said prompted me to ask if the biopsy showed what "type" of cancer you have. There is a rare type that doesn't raise PSA. It is very rare and very aggressive. Most men have adenocarcinoma, the rare one is "small cell carcinoma", but don't panic your oncologist should know this.
At your age, with one Gleason 6, and that low PSA, how could you not be a candidate for Active Surveillance? Or at least on Active Surveillance until your next biopsy or MRI?
Content on HealthUnlocked does not replace the relationship between you and doctors or other healthcare professionals nor the advice you receive from them.
Never delay seeking advice or dialling emergency services because of something that you have read on HealthUnlocked.
How to determine what is a normal PSA after radiation therapy?
New to group; very high PSA; headed for da Vinci surgery
Long-Term ADT With Radiation
Radical prostatectomy successful - now what?
