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Calling all 'Clever' Cloggs.

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Dear All,

I thought that I'd start a 'Did You know' Post, partly following on from other Posts, and partly as a Bit Of Fun.

Some of our Phases seem, at first glance, 'Odd' to say the least. Take 'As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs'.... Originally this was a Mathmatical Phrase- 'As Sure As "X" Is "X"', and refered to graphs, and Constants. It was Charles Dickens who 'Bastardised' it, I believe in Little Dorrit (I can't be sure here). Apparently 'everyone', simply Prefered, this version.

'To Set The Thames On Fire' another interesting one.... In days past 'Threshing', separating Wheat from Sheath (the husk), was done manually. A type of sieve, know as a 'Temps', was used for this. Young, and hard working, young men used to boast that ''They Had worked So hard, that they had set their 'Temps On Fire'''.

The Difference between 'Being Fired' and 'Getting The Sack'. In days gone by.... Trades Men used to carry a 'Sack' containing their Tools Of The Trade. If a particular employer, say a Thatcher, ran out of work he would return the 'Sack' to the Tradesman- such that he could find employment elswhere. If however the Tradesman had commited an 'Offence', perhaps Theft or other misdemeanour (especially if he had taken a 'fancy' to the Bosses daughter....) then his 'Sack' would be put on the Fire- such that he 'lost' his Tools.

The Tradition of 'Fish on Fridays' relates to the Jewish Faith, I believe. In the Bible, and the Torah, It Satates- something like- Fish Being Put In The Seas. (the day itself being Fri (y) Day. IF someone knows Better please do share.

The Idea of Christmas, being in December, is from the Early Church. Originally around the Winter Solstice, there were 'Lavish Celebrations'- lasting many days. The Christians, seeing these 'Heathens', behaving so 'Badly' put their 'Christ Mass Festival' around the same time. The Bible itself dosen't actually 'give' the Birth Date of Christ though, it seems likely, it was in the Warmer Months.

The actual 'Story Of The Bounty' is, quite complex, but let me Try to make some sense of it. Second Leftenant (I don't know if that's right... sorry) Bligh was given the Capataincy of HMS Bounty. Bligh was a Very Experienced Seaman- after he was set 'Adrift', probably in the Middle of nowhere, he managed to return to Endland- in one go- not 'losing' a single man. Flethcher Christian, on the other hand was a 'Fresh Out of Navel College' recriut, with NO 'Sea experience' at all. Couple, this with some months at sea, a Crew 'seeing' a Difference between Bligh and Christian....

The 'Very Bad Crimes', allegedly committed by Bligh, probably DIDN'T happen- though Bligh does admit to 'Imposing' a Strict Routine after such a long Shore Leave. The Story DID make a, very good, Movie though!

Jack The Ripper I'm NOT going into, there are just too many Conflicting Stories. Sweeny Todd... I'm NOT sure ever Really Existed, rather like Dracula....The Book was written my Bram Stoker- maybe Based on some Folklore Stories? Certainly the Transilvanian Tourist Industry is very glad of it.....

The most famous Detective, of all time, Doesn't exist..... Sherlock Holmes. Ian Flemming wrote 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang'. King Alfred Never burnt the cakes, IF they were burnt, it wasn't him. Robin of Loxley did exist and his 'Lands' were taken by King John.

Well anyway, that's enough 'Drivel', from Me, over to you....

AndrewT

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I know another story of the Bounty. Some people apparently got some sweetened coconut stuff and covered it in chocolate. Sorry! Couldn't resist it! Thank you for a very fascinating post! 😁🌸

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Dear, Oh dear🙄😁

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👍😂xxxx

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Omg. How do you know all this! :)

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The saying..... Sent to Coventry..... originates from the English civil war, Coventry was a Parlimentarian stronghold, and Royalist prisoners were “sent to coventry” but were actually escorted there by Parlimentarian soldiers, where they were shunned!

I dated a guy who was descended from Christian Fletcher, so he said.

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He might have been having you on, he got the name wrong...... it was Fletcher Christian!

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The odds are good that I mixed it up - this was 15 years ago. And thanks for the correction.

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Fascinating!

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RoadRunner44

While reading this interesting post I enjoyed a cup of coffee. I love history so this was my cup of tea, so as to speak. If I think of any others that might be interesting I'll post them on.

Thanks Andrew.

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Thank you, Andrew, keep 'em coming!!

Now, this isn't a phrase but the name that a village has been called over the years. Tups Arse is the nickname but what is this village's real name?!? I'm sure some of you will get it straight away 😉

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Rams(tupps) Bottom(Arse)

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👍yes!! Hubby was born there!!

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It's a lovely village with lots little shops to have a wander around.

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Dear All,

A few more.....My nearest Town, of Colchester, is origin of Humpty Dumpty. Apparently relating to a One Eyed Gunner (or maybe the gun itself, depending on the 'story' you read), during the English Civil War. 'Humpty', by all reports a 'Crack Shot', apparently sitting atop the Town Walls, was 'Shot Down'- By the Parliamentarians. The Royalists, who controlled the Town- Couldn't Put 'Humpty' Together Again- Gun or Gunner, take your pick.

Some 'Reports' say the Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star, was written in the Dutch Quarter- that however is more Folklaw-ish, with little- if any- actual evidence.

The idea of beaking a mirror bringing 'Seven Years Bad Luck', comes from the days of Servants. If a Chamber Maid broke a large Mirror, it would take 'around' seven years to pay for the Damage- on her Megre Wages.

Guy Fawlks, wasn't the main Protagonist, of the Gunpowder Plot.... his name was 'Alguido' (or similar) Fawlks. Otherwise know as John Smith, amongst other names, he was the one Caught with the Explosives. Lord Chamberlian was, in actual fact, the 'Main Man'.

There, almost certainly, isn't a Lock Mess Monster, in fact there are similar 'Stories' surrounding Most 'Large Lakes' in the World. All the way from the Artic, in Canada and Norway, to Asia and Africa.

Young Children, no matter where they live in the world, ALL 'imagine' Very Similar 'Monsters'. Young children also find 'poo' jokes hilarious, teens find 'erection' jokes the same. (Tell a Teen, especially a boy, that an 'erection company' is in Town and.... the laughter will last the week!). Scholars of Latin have been Sniggering over a Roman' Swearing On His Testicles' for generations. (We still have 'Testaments'... what's outside the Old Baily? A scale and a Large set of 'Balls'... absolutely true.)

In days gone by- yet again- 'Deals', sales of goods, often took place on a Metal Plinth, know as a 'Nail', outside Markets.... Hence 'Pay On the Nail'.

Before Gutters, and Drainpipes were in use, House Roofs tended to 'come down low'- such that the rainwater could easily flow off them. This left an 'Eves Drip', as it was known... if Folk were caught out in the rain, they might 'Shelter' under such a structure. From this position Talking, from inside the house could often be heard.... so you would Eves Drip, or 'Eves Drop', on a conversation.

Does anyone know any more 'Area Specific' Traditions?

AndrewT

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I thought that the Thames was so poluted that you could set fire to the methan that bubbled up - I think that there is (was) a river in the US that is a fire Hazzard due to the methane?

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Dear S11m,

I hadn't 'heard', that version of the Thames Story.... Though, perhaps in the days of The Great Stink- before Bazalggett, you could be right. Personally, i Dead to think, quite what, The Great stink smelt like🤢🤮

AndrewT

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I have lived alongside the thames all my life except for military service, and my forefathers have worked on the river too, I’ve heard no stories about methane nor setting fire to it! 🤨

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