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My B12 Pernicious Anaemia (PA) / Intrinsic Factor deficiency would apear to be generational / DNA related, my grandmother suffered from it and way back then she had to eat vast quantities of raw liver everyday as there was no man made medication available back then. She died when she was approximately 70 years old, but it was not PA that was the cause. My mother was wrongly diagnosed with Celiac disease when she was in her 40's and after 5 years was re diagnosed with PA, when she commenced her Hydroxocobalimin injectiosn every 3 months. she lived a relatively healthy life and passed on when she was 93 (COVID).

My PA was identified when I was 44 or 45 years old, however I may have already been suffering from in for an unknown period of time prior to that. Initially, I was to have injections of Hydroxocbalamin every 3 months, however very shortly after commencing injections I felt completely flat after only a few weeks, and I literally crawled so my injection frequency was changed to every 4 weeks. Soon afte, due to my work job taking me on many short notice long distance travels I soon started to self inject as I could not always be at home when my injection was due. I would take my medication with me.

All has been going quite well - until I caught COVID in March 2022, since then my physical activity has dropped as I started having issues breathing when cycling my bike on forestry trails, I also started to cough a lot, was feeling weak with little energy and so in early 2023 I was checked out for asthma,the readings seemed secure to back up asthma, however since then I have tried around 7 different medications - none of which helped in any way, some making my cough and breathing worse. I dont think I have asthma at all. Ongoing medication trials and tests would still confirm asthma, but nothing helps it. I am wondering 'Are these limitations related to my B12 PA condition as they are common to B12 PA deficiency AND asthma???

In November 2024 I thought I had contracted food poisoning after eating an egg sandwich at a concert I was performing at, but this has not yet cleared up. I am awaiting and endoscopy procedure to find out what the root cause actually is. A few days before this I had self injected my B12, a new manufacturer, the product being Neo-Cytamen by RPH Pharmacutical AB, as my pharmacist had changed supplier. My previous 2 makes of Hydroxocobalamin made by 'Accord' and 'Gerot Lannach' had never given any issues or bad side effects. The first time I injected Neo-Cytamen medication I felt a bit woosey for the first couple of days, and I thought that feeling this way was down to me catching some sort of viral infection. The next injection 4 weeks later resulted in the same woosey feelings and again I thought 'a viral infection', and again after a couple of days I was feeling more energetic. The most recent injection of this Neo-Cytamen product was last Wednesday, and within 10 minutes of me injecting my regular dose I felt like every nerve in my body was being given an electric shock - my arms, hands, legs, feet,face, head, torso - everywhere. This 'attack' lasted around 3 seconds however for the next 3 days I could not think straight, floundered for words when seaking and felt dizzy and very vulnerable. This is slowly wearing off now, but it gave me a big shock. Up until last week I did not realise that there were many different 'recipes' for B12 injection, I had only known about Hyroxocobalamin, not even knowing about the 'natural' Methylcobalamin which some reports state is better to take.

My questions to you all are:-

1) What is the differences between Neo-Cytaman vs Hydroxocobalamin, has anyone had bad experiences using either over a period of years ?

2) Which is better to take for PA, my body does no longer have Intrinsic Factor to extract B12 from food, Hydroxocobalamin (injected) or Methylcobalamin (pill form)?

3) Has anyone in this group had similar experiences of bad side effects from taking any of the 3 variouations of medications, or others, listed above, or with other brands?

4) My next injection is due in 3 weeks and I want to be able to use the best medicine solution for my PA B12 long term medical condition.

I look forward to receiving your valued responses to the above, or I am unique in suffering ill effects of medication side effects.

Be blessed.

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O have had Accord Gerot launch and Neo- cytamen

From thd NHS with no issues.

However cobalomin H also NHS I do not suit.

The latter has ond different additive .

I would just avoid if if you had a bad reaction.

The pharmacy just didn't issue cobalomin H any more .

I got the leaflets from the different brands to discover thd different additives.

Also an ex member sas the one extra / different additive.

Rotexmedica ( German panphama ) also fine for me

Once on injections 💉 your body will probably need them for the rest of your life .

Different if cause if dietary cause .

Tablets will work as you can absorb it

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Hi,

"Neo-Cytaman vs Hydroxocobalamin"

I think Neo Cytamen is a brand of hydroxocobalamin.

If you search online for "emc neo cytamen" this should show an article that mentions its ingredients. See section on contents.

I think Neo Cytamen contains acetic acid.

I have read about people having a reaction to acetic acid.

Search for "acetic acid allergy" for more info.

If you want to find out more about other brands of hydroxocobalamin, search for "name of brand emc".

"Which is better to take for PA"

We're all different.

Some forum members who have cyanocobalamin injections, some have hydroxocobalamin injections and some have methylcobalamin injections. NHS mainly uses hydroxocobalamin but there are UK forum members who get cyanocobalamin injections.

There's another form of B12 called adenosylcobalamin but I don't think this is available in injectable form.

Some forum members rely solely on B12 injections and some use a mixture eg injections and high dose oral B12. There are some who manage their PA/B12 deficiency with just oral tablets.

It can be trial and error to find out what suits a person.

For me, only injections keep symptoms under control.

This thread I started mentions treatment with high dose oral B12.

healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po....

I'm not medically trained.

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wedgewood

One of the amazing things about human beings is that they are all different when it comes to their reactions to medications drugs etc . Since 2014 I have had all the different B12 injections Cynocobalamin, Hydroxocobalamin and methylcobalamin. U.K. manufacture, and 3 different German Hydroxocobalamin types . I’ve never had any stinging or bad reaction to any of them . … Very lucky …

It’s all a matter of trial and error to find what suits you . One cannot say that one is better than another.

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