The B12 & Digestion - A Big Picture on our Digestive Biomes...

[Treesong2023]

Hello Folks

I often find myself thanking many lovely peeps in here for their "shares" and useful information sources and guidance. It's really quite a wonderful thing...what the Internet should be about I feel.

By way of small return, I am posting a picture that I have found helpful in "seeing" the B12 - Absorption problem.

I tend to work and express things with images, and I like how it shows where Vitamins are digested etc ...and what bacteria should be hanging about inside us.... :0 )

So, i know food / diet cant give many in here the B12 bump they need...but food CAN help give us a better bacterial "biome"... every little helps...? A good diet is a good thing...?

I hope it helps some of you, as it helped me..

[PlatypusProfit8077]

wow that’s a cool diagram/image!

[PlatypusProfit8077]

I just went and found the original note/article (Japanese?). There’s a lot of info so I’ll save it for later.

[Treesong2023 in reply to PlatypusProfit8077]

Yes, it was a Japanese Study!....there are a series from 1998 onwards..I am working through them...

not in Japanese tho...

hahahahaha...

x

[wedgewood]

I agree 100% Treesong2023 Yes , this forum is a huge help to us all . Couldn’t be without it . 👍

[helvella]

If you reply to your own post here, and add the same image again, it should offer a Zoom option. That would make it appear much larger and easier for people to read.

(When attached to the first post in a thread, there is no Zoom option, the size is fixed.)

[Treesong2023 in reply to helvella]

Star.

[Narwhal10]

Diolch yn fawr. Excellent work and share Treesong2023. Diagrams and images are essential to understanding and learning.

Yes, the gut microbiome is incredible. There is plenty of research out there. Unfortunately, it is not hitting main stream Western medicine. Although, I have heard a couple of top Professors (Rheumatology & Neurology) end their lectures on this very matter’s note.

It has been well-reported that the Japanese have one of the best diets in the world. They do not eat sugar coated cereal nor cooked bread nor pancakes nor processed meats with beans, fried egg, tomato or whatever else for breakfast. They simply have last night’s leftovers which usually consists of a broth with steamed vegetables, some rice and a protein whether that is fish, meat, egg or bean curd.

Years ago, I was undertaking a morning workout and somebody asked what I had eaten for breakfast. I replied, Last night’s leftover steak. Initially, the person looked at me as though I was totally odd. They told others in the vicinity. As a collective though, the emotion quickly turned to envy. Then they started to copy.

[Myoldcat in reply to Narwhal10]

And it was a Japanese doctor who created the first probiotic product, Yakult, back in 1935!

[Treesong2023 in reply to Myoldcat]

thats news to me! x

[Myoldcat in reply to Treesong2023]

Yes, apparently the nation had such poor health in the early 20th century that Dr Shirota was inspired to research the role of bacteria in the gut, and created the drink to help - very much ahead of his time! About 15 years ago my mother (who had early dementia, now we think very probably family B12 deficiency) was in hospital after a fall and on antibiotics, and the ward was giving patients Yakult as a trial, partly to prevent c.difficile infection. Sadly I don't imagine the practice was widely adopted.

[Treesong2023 in reply to Myoldcat]

I honestly believe there are millions of older people with B12/PA issues out there Myold. I advised my sister to get checked (B12 and active B12) her results were on the floor. She is more of a party animal (alcohol degrading effect?) than myself, and her ailments had all the B12 Def signs. It's out there.. ?

[Myoldcat in reply to Treesong2023]

Yes, I agree Treesong. I advised all my friends, my sister and husband to get checked after my diagnosis, and most of them are hovering around 300 and being told they're fine; local health trust parameters are 200 -900. All over 60 (yes I hang with a wild crowd! 🤪) So I often feel the same about the dementia 'epidemic'. Just check B12 and if under mid range prescribe it in whatever form the person can absorb, it's hardly the proverbial rocket science!!

[Treesong2023 in reply to Narwhal10]

Tidy.

[Technoid]

frontiersin.org/files/Artic...

[Treesong2023]

Zoomable version..

Big Biome B12 Picture

[Hypopotamus]

Gut biome is so important to anybody, with or without a medical condition. I have been noticeably healthier since I started making and consuming water kefir some yeas ago.

I don't trust bought pro-biotics as I wonder how they can keep a 'living' food in the right condition until it is bought by the customer. I provide six other people with my water kefir, and five of them enjoy much better gut health than they had done for decades. The other one takes it as part of a healthy diet.

It's easy to make and relatively inexpensive. I have made a web page with all the details for those that would like to try it.

decdun.me.uk/Kefir/Water_ke...

[Myoldcat in reply to Hypopotamus]

Thank you! I agree that many probiotic supplements are ineffective, but some definitely do work - I guess some bacteria can survive anything! But I would love to try making my own kefir and kefir yoghurt, so will check out your method.

[Treesong2023 in reply to Myoldcat]

Me too! thanks Hypotamus its the little things in life..?

[ClaireWF1346 in reply to Hypopotamus]

Same here! I make my own, with non-dairy milk as I can't tolerate it, and it calms my stomach down so much. It's also like a little science experiment at home. Out of interest, once your kefir is ready, how long do you consider it safe to drink? I have been using a guide of 4-5 days but some sites suggest it can be longer as long as kept cold. Maybe it's different for you as you're using water. My next experiment is to grow my own mushrooms - another superfood for the gut!

[Treesong2023 in reply to ClaireWF1346]

Such a good Project !

[Hypopotamus in reply to ClaireWF1346]

I think that the water kefir lasts longer than milk versions. I like to drink mine as 'fresh' as possible , but some of those I supply make them last two weeks and say they taste fine.

[ClaireWF1346 in reply to Hypopotamus]

Thanks! I'm thinking it's got to be to do with the life of the milk really...which for soya milk is a 7-10 days in my experience.

[MKB001]

Hello Treesong, Gosh that is an amazing picture "A Big Picture on our Digestive Biomes... " - can you recall where that came from by any chance? regards Martin

[Treesong2023 in reply to MKB001]

hello, i will have a scout about..